Death toll is at 20, according to Al Jazeera :( https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-imposes-curfew-baghdad-deadly-protests-191003060238724.html
Seems to be conflicting information on Al Jazeera's site. They also show the death toll at 44. Image of the articles side by side from here: https://www.aljazeera.com/topics/country/iraq.html
Seems to be conflicting information on Al Jazeera's site. They also show the death toll at 44.
Death toll rises to 44: police, security sources
The death toll from three days of anti-government protests in Iraq climbed to 44, police and medical sources told Reuters.
The largest number of casualties occurred in the southern city of Nasiriya, where 18 people were killed, followed by the capital Baghdad where the death toll stood at 16, they said.
I wouldn't necessarily call that conflicting information, since the higher number is from a more recent update on the situation. The article claiming 20 dead was posted 23 hours ago, and the one...
I wouldn't necessarily call that conflicting information, since the higher number is from a more recent update on the situation. The article claiming 20 dead was posted 23 hours ago, and the one claiming it has risen to 44 was posted 2 hours ago.
IMO the Al Jazeera website really should make the time an article was posted visible on their front page though, so that confusion doesn't happen, since currently the only way to tell that is if you visit the individual articles' pages.
You are correct. I think all news articles could benefit from having the time and date of the article being visible. The number of deaths seems insane to me. So over the first three days, 20+ were...
You are correct. I think all news articles could benefit from having the time and date of the article being visible.
The number of deaths seems insane to me. So over the first three days, 20+ were killed, and then in less than 24 hours the about the same number were killed.
I hadn't even known about these protests until now, but I'd heard about the protests in Hong Kong with the 1 protestor being shot. And I just recently read there are multiple other protests that are being referred to as the New Arab Spring/Arab Spring 2.0
"Insane" as in not believable? These things do tend to escalate, and sometimes rather quickly... so I don't think the death toll rising so rapidly is unbelievable at all, if that's what you meant.
"Insane" as in not believable? These things do tend to escalate, and sometimes rather quickly... so I don't think the death toll rising so rapidly is unbelievable at all, if that's what you meant.
It's definitely shocking to me, but I keep making comparisons with the protests in Hong Kong which are a vastly different situation. I also imagine part of the reason I've not heard about what's...
It's definitely shocking to me, but I keep making comparisons with the protests in Hong Kong which are a vastly different situation.
I also imagine part of the reason I've not heard about what's been happening is that these protests in Iraq erupted only 4 days ago vs the months of protests, among other reasons.
It seems like recently has been a time of uprising and revolution. I hope Iraq isn’t as horrible as Hong King has been going regarding brutality. Considering the article mentioned widespread civil...
It seems like recently has been a time of uprising and revolution. I hope Iraq isn’t as horrible as Hong King has been going regarding brutality. Considering the article mentioned widespread civil unrest I doubt shutting down the internet will prevent the spread of that unrest, if that’s what the Iraqi government’s goal was.
Unfortunately Iraqi police have already escalated way beyond Hong Kong police. They were shooting live rounds at protesters on day one. I'd be pissed too if I were an Iraqi, and considering how...
Unfortunately Iraqi police have already escalated way beyond Hong Kong police. They were shooting live rounds at protesters on day one. I'd be pissed too if I were an Iraqi, and considering how many of these people have never lived in a country at peace, I'm not surprised at the violence. Just one more stain on the US invasion.
What dictatorship are you referring to? The current president of Iraq was elected democratically. Are you perhaps referring to the Kurdistan independence referendum?
What dictatorship are you referring to? The current president of Iraq was elected democratically. Are you perhaps referring to the Kurdistan independence referendum?
Well, the dictator of Iraq named Sadaam Hussein, and now the new dictator put into power by the US. Democratically elected. Sure. Just like in the US, right?
Well, the dictator of Iraq named Sadaam Hussein, and now the new dictator put into power by the US.
Democratically elected. Sure. Just like in the US, right?
That's not at all what the definition of dictator is. In fact, it's pretty much the exact opposite. Sadaam ruled with an iron fist for 28 years and had virtually absolute power. He wasn't...
That's not at all what the definition of dictator is. In fact, it's pretty much the exact opposite. Sadaam ruled with an iron fist for 28 years and had virtually absolute power. He wasn't democratically elected, and the first thing he did when he came to power was execute his political opponents. There was absolutely zero functioning legal provision for him to be removed from power. Since then, there have been 3 democratically elected presidents, who are held in check by a judicial and legislative branch. The current president was elected only a year ago. Lately, the executive branch has grown more powerful, but it's not even close to the kind of absolute power that Sadaam had. To call it a dictatorship isn't just disingenuous, it's flat out wrong.
...but he wasn't installed by the US. There were barely even any US forces in Iraq when he was elected. What you're saying is just flat out wrong and completely unsupported by any shred of evidence.
...but he wasn't installed by the US. There were barely even any US forces in Iraq when he was elected. What you're saying is just flat out wrong and completely unsupported by any shred of evidence.
Let's just say that there is a pattern of behavior... https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-interfered-in-elections-of-at-least-85-countries-worldwide-since-1945/5601481
Let's just say that there is a pattern of behavior...
Death toll is at 20, according to Al Jazeera :(
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-imposes-curfew-baghdad-deadly-protests-191003060238724.html
Seems to be conflicting information on Al Jazeera's site. They also show the death toll at 44.
Image of the articles side by side from here:
https://www.aljazeera.com/topics/country/iraq.html
I wouldn't necessarily call that conflicting information, since the higher number is from a more recent update on the situation. The article claiming 20 dead was posted 23 hours ago, and the one claiming it has risen to 44 was posted 2 hours ago.
IMO the Al Jazeera website really should make the time an article was posted visible on their front page though, so that confusion doesn't happen, since currently the only way to tell that is if you visit the individual articles' pages.
You are correct. I think all news articles could benefit from having the time and date of the article being visible.
The number of deaths seems insane to me. So over the first three days, 20+ were killed, and then in less than 24 hours the about the same number were killed.
I hadn't even known about these protests until now, but I'd heard about the protests in Hong Kong with the 1 protestor being shot. And I just recently read there are multiple other protests that are being referred to as the New Arab Spring/Arab Spring 2.0
"Insane" as in not believable? These things do tend to escalate, and sometimes rather quickly... so I don't think the death toll rising so rapidly is unbelievable at all, if that's what you meant.
It's definitely shocking to me, but I keep making comparisons with the protests in Hong Kong which are a vastly different situation.
I also imagine part of the reason I've not heard about what's been happening is that these protests in Iraq erupted only 4 days ago vs the months of protests, among other reasons.
It seems like recently has been a time of uprising and revolution. I hope Iraq isn’t as horrible as Hong King has been going regarding brutality. Considering the article mentioned widespread civil unrest I doubt shutting down the internet will prevent the spread of that unrest, if that’s what the Iraqi government’s goal was.
Unfortunately Iraqi police have already escalated way beyond Hong Kong police. They were shooting live rounds at protesters on day one. I'd be pissed too if I were an Iraqi, and considering how many of these people have never lived in a country at peace, I'm not surprised at the violence. Just one more stain on the US invasion.
It's a good thing the oil is paying for another dictator's freedom. A dictatorship the US installed. Again.
What dictatorship are you referring to? The current president of Iraq was elected democratically. Are you perhaps referring to the Kurdistan independence referendum?
Well, the dictator of Iraq named Sadaam Hussein, and now the new dictator put into power by the US.
Democratically elected. Sure. Just like in the US, right?
That's not at all what the definition of dictator is. In fact, it's pretty much the exact opposite. Sadaam ruled with an iron fist for 28 years and had virtually absolute power. He wasn't democratically elected, and the first thing he did when he came to power was execute his political opponents. There was absolutely zero functioning legal provision for him to be removed from power. Since then, there have been 3 democratically elected presidents, who are held in check by a judicial and legislative branch. The current president was elected only a year ago. Lately, the executive branch has grown more powerful, but it's not even close to the kind of absolute power that Sadaam had. To call it a dictatorship isn't just disingenuous, it's flat out wrong.
Fine, we'll just call him a despot, that was installed by the US.
...but he wasn't installed by the US. There were barely even any US forces in Iraq when he was elected. What you're saying is just flat out wrong and completely unsupported by any shred of evidence.
Let's just say that there is a pattern of behavior...
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-interfered-in-elections-of-at-least-85-countries-worldwide-since-1945/5601481