Worth noting: I don't exactly trust neither Netanyahu and his cronies, let alone Hamas - but still, I do deeply hope this means the end of this particularly bloody chapter in this conflict. Even...
Worth noting:
The office of Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said on Wednesday night before Sheikh Mohammed’s announcement that “several clauses in the framework remain unresolved, and we hope that the details will be finalised tonight”. The issue is believed to relate to a last-minute dispute over the future of the Palestinian territory’s border with Egypt; mediators briefed that the issues had been resolved.
I don't exactly trust neither Netanyahu and his cronies, let alone Hamas - but still, I do deeply hope this means the end of this particularly bloody chapter in this conflict. Even for this conflict, this has been really bad. :|
I will always celebrate the end of violence, but was anything achieved here? Is there any reason for Israel to not start things up again whenever they feel like it?
I will always celebrate the end of violence, but was anything achieved here? Is there any reason for Israel to not start things up again whenever they feel like it?
Because Israel has been responsible for the vast majority of death in the region over the past 15 months, and has been the party most resistant to a ceasefire deal thus far.
Because Israel has been responsible for the vast majority of death in the region over the past 15 months, and has been the party most resistant to a ceasefire deal thus far.
I’m not sure what that has to do with anything? Israel has always had a simple end goal here: the return of the hostages, which Hamas could have returned at any time. Absent another hostage...
I’m not sure what that has to do with anything?
Israel has always had a simple end goal here: the return of the hostages, which Hamas could have returned at any time. Absent another hostage taking, I don’t see what Israel has to gain from restarting the generally unpopular invasion.
On the other hand, Hamas also has a simple goal: the total eradication of the state of Israel, which as yet has not been eradicated.
So it was unpopular, but not so unpopular that it didn't happen and not so unpopular that it didn't end sooner. I'll admit ignorance here, but from a foreign layman's point of view, the Israeli...
So it was unpopular, but not so unpopular that it didn't happen and not so unpopular that it didn't end sooner. I'll admit ignorance here, but from a foreign layman's point of view, the Israeli government's ability to display that level of force has not been contested in any meaningful way. So let me put it this way, is there anything stopping them from using the existence of some bloodshed to justify the creation of a historic amount of bloodshed again?
It'd be against their goals. Ultimately, while settlers want to reclaim palestinian territory, the overall israeli government doesn't particularly care what happens. Before the Hamas attack,...
So let me put it this way, is there anything stopping them from using the existence of some bloodshed to justify the creation of a historic amount of bloodshed again?
It'd be against their goals. Ultimately, while settlers want to reclaim palestinian territory, the overall israeli government doesn't particularly care what happens. Before the Hamas attack, things were going well for Israel; the US was close to brockering a normalization deal that would cause Saudi Arabia, amongst other Sunni powers, to recognize Israel. That would be a huge benefit to Israel, and a utter disaster for Iran.
Violence in palestinian territory directly makes that normalization deal harder. The reality is that most people in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. hate Israel, but the ruling governments interests in geopolitical power overrides that, but they can't make deals with Israel when it's too unpopular.
I’m not sure what you are expecting here — are you asking for the Israeli military to be disbanded or something? I mean there was nothing stopping Israel from doing this before, but they didn’t....
I’m not sure what you are expecting here — are you asking for the Israeli military to be disbanded or something?
I mean there was nothing stopping Israel from doing this before, but they didn’t. If Hamas doesn’t commit another hostage taking, my expectation would be that the status quo will largely not change, besides some territorial changes.
The hope would be for peace to last, or if it does break, for it not to be as bad as it was prior. Based on your response, I'm guessing the odds of that happening seem pretty slim. The original...
The hope would be for peace to last, or if it does break, for it not to be as bad as it was prior. Based on your response, I'm guessing the odds of that happening seem pretty slim.
The original question was asking if anything had been achieved. If both sides are likely to repeat the actions that caused this mess, then I'd say no nothing meaningful was accomplished here.
Well, I expect there to be an imposition of a significant buffer zone and a massive restriction (if not total exclusion) of movement across the border. Some people are going to see that as a...
Well, I expect there to be an imposition of a significant buffer zone and a massive restriction (if not total exclusion) of movement across the border. Some people are going to see that as a negative and a land grab, but I think it is going to seriously curtail the risk that Hamas poses to Israel.
Please consider putting "Gaza" and "Hamas" tags into your thread for people who would like to filter this subject. Just using "Politics" would work too. No shade, no worries.
Please consider putting "Gaza" and "Hamas" tags into your thread for people who would like to filter this subject. Just using "Politics" would work too. No shade, no worries.
Worth noting:
I don't exactly trust neither Netanyahu and his cronies, let alone Hamas - but still, I do deeply hope this means the end of this particularly bloody chapter in this conflict. Even for this conflict, this has been really bad. :|
I will always celebrate the end of violence, but was anything achieved here? Is there any reason for Israel to not start things up again whenever they feel like it?
Is there a reason for them to start things again? It’s not like they were the ones who broke the status quo, which was good for them.
Why single out Israel when Hamas is just as likely to start launching attacks as soon as they have regrouped?
Because Israel has been responsible for the vast majority of death in the region over the past 15 months, and has been the party most resistant to a ceasefire deal thus far.
Because they were winning no?
I’m not sure what that has to do with anything?
Israel has always had a simple end goal here: the return of the hostages, which Hamas could have returned at any time. Absent another hostage taking, I don’t see what Israel has to gain from restarting the generally unpopular invasion.
On the other hand, Hamas also has a simple goal: the total eradication of the state of Israel, which as yet has not been eradicated.
So it was unpopular, but not so unpopular that it didn't happen and not so unpopular that it didn't end sooner. I'll admit ignorance here, but from a foreign layman's point of view, the Israeli government's ability to display that level of force has not been contested in any meaningful way. So let me put it this way, is there anything stopping them from using the existence of some bloodshed to justify the creation of a historic amount of bloodshed again?
It'd be against their goals. Ultimately, while settlers want to reclaim palestinian territory, the overall israeli government doesn't particularly care what happens. Before the Hamas attack, things were going well for Israel; the US was close to brockering a normalization deal that would cause Saudi Arabia, amongst other Sunni powers, to recognize Israel. That would be a huge benefit to Israel, and a utter disaster for Iran.
Violence in palestinian territory directly makes that normalization deal harder. The reality is that most people in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. hate Israel, but the ruling governments interests in geopolitical power overrides that, but they can't make deals with Israel when it's too unpopular.
I appreciate the response on this.
I’m not sure what you are expecting here — are you asking for the Israeli military to be disbanded or something?
I mean there was nothing stopping Israel from doing this before, but they didn’t. If Hamas doesn’t commit another hostage taking, my expectation would be that the status quo will largely not change, besides some territorial changes.
The hope would be for peace to last, or if it does break, for it not to be as bad as it was prior. Based on your response, I'm guessing the odds of that happening seem pretty slim.
The original question was asking if anything had been achieved. If both sides are likely to repeat the actions that caused this mess, then I'd say no nothing meaningful was accomplished here.
Well, I expect there to be an imposition of a significant buffer zone and a massive restriction (if not total exclusion) of movement across the border. Some people are going to see that as a negative and a land grab, but I think it is going to seriously curtail the risk that Hamas poses to Israel.
Please consider putting "Gaza" and "Hamas" tags into your thread for people who would like to filter this subject. Just using "Politics" would work too. No shade, no worries.
Someone else beat me to the punch, but thank you for pointing that out.
Fixed