I'm just wondering how long it'll take before NATO wises up and shoots down each and every unidentified drone immediately upon detection, no exceptions, no excuses, and no apologies. It's just...
I'm just wondering how long it'll take before NATO wises up and shoots down each and every unidentified drone immediately upon detection, no exceptions, no excuses, and no apologies. It's just ridiculous in my view to put up with it at all - there are no lives lost taking out these drones, assuming you down them over a field instead of into someone's roof.
Russia always pushes everything, the only thing they respect is strength. The more NATO puts up with it, the more they embolden Putin, and he's getting really, really desperate right now since Russia's economy has flatlined and Ukraine is punishing them more and more brutally every single day. This situation is going to come to a head soon, and Russia won't even put up as much of a fight as Iraq did during desert storm if NATO decides to reclaim Ukraine and Crimea. Their troop numbers count for nothing at all and they've been reduced to rusty equipment from the 60s and mules or horses for transport. It's bad.
They could just as easily take out Moscow in a matter of weeks - the nukes are the only thing holding them at bay. NATO has overwhelming technological hardware and air superiority even without the US helping. Ukraine did catastrophic damage to Russia's nuclear command and control systems earlier this week, which is why things are heating up. Just yesterday, Ukraine took out more of the Black Sea fleet and most of the ports used for oil shipping. Russia has already lost this war and they know it. That makes them more dangerous and reckless than ever - I'll wager Putin is a very sore loser.
And therein lies the problem. Police said they could not do it in Copenhagen as it's a densely populated area and the drones were lingering by fuel tanks and such. Tonight about Aalborg they said...
assuming you down them over a field instead of into someone's roof.
And therein lies the problem. Police said they could not do it in Copenhagen as it's a densely populated area and the drones were lingering by fuel tanks and such.
Tonight about Aalborg they said that they would be bringing them down, but then the drones disappeared before they could take action.
It's currently 5:30 in the morning here so there are very few updates at the moment but I'll see if there's a press conference during the day and then I will post an update here.
So far though it seems like total incompetence at the part of police and MoD - even at the part of Copenhagen Airport management who was offered to purchase drone detection hardware months ago but they didn't because of budget.
I think we need a bigger drone that's really fast, shorter range, and carries a very large net. Just bag the enemy drone and fly it back to wherever you like. The net would be able to compromise...
I think we need a bigger drone that's really fast, shorter range, and carries a very large net. Just bag the enemy drone and fly it back to wherever you like. The net would be able to compromise the propulsion systems almost immediately be it a jet or propeller. It'd lodge in there nice and tight, like hooking a fish.
2 weeks ago: Denmark to buy European-made air defence against Russia threat To address what you point out though it definitely looks very lackluster because the systems being named in the article...
Denmark will invest some 58 billion kroner [€8 billion] in European-made air and missile defence systems, its defence ministry said on Friday, citing lessons from Russia's war in Ukraine.
To address what you point out though it definitely looks very lackluster because the systems being named in the article are pretty damn big. 3+ years of heavy drone warfare, using swarms of cheap ones to overwhelm, etc.. and then the takeaway we apparently have is that we should buy more F-35's and more huge expensive SAM systems instead of investing in specifically stuff for countering these smaller drones.
I am no expert so the explanation probably is that they did invest in it but it's just kept secret for some reason. Because it seems too obvious that using big 500 km range missiles to shoot down drones that costed a fraction of that missile is going to lead to your loss in what would inevitably be a war of attrition.
There are inexpensive, reusable anti-drone systems that aren't super secret and are available commercially off the shelf. Systems like this are used pretty commonly by police and aviation...
There are inexpensive, reusable anti-drone systems that aren't super secret and are available commercially off the shelf.
Systems like this are used pretty commonly by police and aviation authorities as a reusable non-kinetic (boom) solution.
There's even a human portable one that you can make pew pew noises with!
Danish Defence is normally really sensible with this stuff, the fact that they weren't able to deploy a non-kinetic system in time is surprising. Unless they've acquired a counter-drone system and it hasn't reached full operational capability for deployment yet, that seems most likely given how obvious the threat is
ETA: happened at 3 other airports too (link in Danish): Edit again: update that it was 6 in total, possibly 7. Map from source Government is calling it "professional hybrid attack" link.
Denmark’s Aalborg airport was closed due to drones in its airspace, local police said early on Thursday, two days after the country’s main Copenhagen airport was shut over drone sightings that rattled European aviation.
Danish national police said the drones followed a similar pattern to the ones that had halted flights at Copenhagen airport for four hours a few days earlier. The country’s armed forces were also affected, as Aalborg airport is used as a military base, they added.
Northern Jutland police said they could not specify the type of drones or whether they were the same as the ones flying over Copenhagen airport on Monday.
“It is too early to say what the goal of the drones is and who is the actor behind,” a police official said.
ETA: happened at 3 other airports too (link in Danish):
Police said later in the night that there has also been drones at airports in Esbjerg and Sønderborg, and at Skrydstrup Air Base.
In all four cases, it is described that the drones flew with lights and were observed from the ground.
So that's five airports total, one of which has a military area and another which is an actual air force base.
Edit again: update that it was 6 in total, possibly 7. Map from source
Government is calling it "professional hybrid attack" link.
I posted yesterday about the previous event referenced: Russia's involvement in drone sightings [that closed Copenhagen airport for four hours] cannot be ruled out, Danish PM says: "the most...
I'm just wondering how long it'll take before NATO wises up and shoots down each and every unidentified drone immediately upon detection, no exceptions, no excuses, and no apologies. It's just ridiculous in my view to put up with it at all - there are no lives lost taking out these drones, assuming you down them over a field instead of into someone's roof.
Russia always pushes everything, the only thing they respect is strength. The more NATO puts up with it, the more they embolden Putin, and he's getting really, really desperate right now since Russia's economy has flatlined and Ukraine is punishing them more and more brutally every single day. This situation is going to come to a head soon, and Russia won't even put up as much of a fight as Iraq did during desert storm if NATO decides to reclaim Ukraine and Crimea. Their troop numbers count for nothing at all and they've been reduced to rusty equipment from the 60s and mules or horses for transport. It's bad.
They could just as easily take out Moscow in a matter of weeks - the nukes are the only thing holding them at bay. NATO has overwhelming technological hardware and air superiority even without the US helping. Ukraine did catastrophic damage to Russia's nuclear command and control systems earlier this week, which is why things are heating up. Just yesterday, Ukraine took out more of the Black Sea fleet and most of the ports used for oil shipping. Russia has already lost this war and they know it. That makes them more dangerous and reckless than ever - I'll wager Putin is a very sore loser.
And therein lies the problem. Police said they could not do it in Copenhagen as it's a densely populated area and the drones were lingering by fuel tanks and such.
Tonight about Aalborg they said that they would be bringing them down, but then the drones disappeared before they could take action.
It's currently 5:30 in the morning here so there are very few updates at the moment but I'll see if there's a press conference during the day and then I will post an update here.
So far though it seems like total incompetence at the part of police and MoD - even at the part of Copenhagen Airport management who was offered to purchase drone detection hardware months ago but they didn't because of budget.
I think we need a bigger drone that's really fast, shorter range, and carries a very large net. Just bag the enemy drone and fly it back to wherever you like. The net would be able to compromise the propulsion systems almost immediately be it a jet or propeller. It'd lodge in there nice and tight, like hooking a fish.
2 weeks ago: Denmark to buy European-made air defence against Russia threat
To address what you point out though it definitely looks very lackluster because the systems being named in the article are pretty damn big. 3+ years of heavy drone warfare, using swarms of cheap ones to overwhelm, etc.. and then the takeaway we apparently have is that we should buy more F-35's and more huge expensive SAM systems instead of investing in specifically stuff for countering these smaller drones.
I am no expert so the explanation probably is that they did invest in it but it's just kept secret for some reason. Because it seems too obvious that using big 500 km range missiles to shoot down drones that costed a fraction of that missile is going to lead to your loss in what would inevitably be a war of attrition.
There are inexpensive, reusable anti-drone systems that aren't super secret and are available commercially off the shelf.
Systems like this are used pretty commonly by police and aviation authorities as a reusable non-kinetic (boom) solution.
There's even a human portable one that you can make pew pew noises with!
Danish Defence is normally really sensible with this stuff, the fact that they weren't able to deploy a non-kinetic system in time is surprising. Unless they've acquired a counter-drone system and it hasn't reached full operational capability for deployment yet, that seems most likely given how obvious the threat is
ETA: happened at 3 other airports too (link in Danish):
So that's five airports total, one of which has a military area and another which is an actual air force base.Edit again: update that it was 6 in total, possibly 7. Map from source
Government is calling it "professional hybrid attack" link.
I posted yesterday about the previous event referenced: Russia's involvement in drone sightings [that closed Copenhagen airport for four hours] cannot be ruled out, Danish PM says: "the most severe attack on Danish infrastructure so far"