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Brett Kavanaugh’s 1983 letter offers inside look at US high school clique

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  1. [9]
    arghdos
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    In a 1983 letter, a copy of which was reviewed by The New York Times, the young Judge Kavanaugh warned his friends of the danger of eviction from an Ocean City, Md., condo. In a neatly written postscript, he added: Whoever arrived first at the condo should “warn the neighbors that we’re loud, obnoxious drunks with prolific pukers among us. Advise them to go about 30 miles...”

    Judge Kavanaugh signed the letter: “FFFFF, Bart."

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      1. Parliament
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        This is the greatest description of Kavanaugh I've read. He basically lived by the DENNIS system and "the implication" except he forgot to get coerced consent from his victims.

        He comes off like Dennis Reynolds in Its Always Sunny talking about "the implication" and shows Brett viewed women as objects, though he was totally a chaste virgin until well after college.

        This is the greatest description of Kavanaugh I've read. He basically lived by the DENNIS system and "the implication" except he forgot to get coerced consent from his victims.

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        Archimedes
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        The article said the FFFF thing was an inside joke about one the friends stuttering words. That's one of the references Kavanaugh may have been at least partly truthful about, but I'm not...

        The article said the FFFF thing was an inside joke about one the friends stuttering words. That's one of the references Kavanaugh may have been at least partly truthful about, but I'm not convinced either way.

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            cfabbro
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            1983 was 35 years ago. I suspect Kavenaugh is every bit the piece of shit he's being accused of being... but you're really grasping at straws with that FFFFFF thing, IMO.

            dating back over a decade

            1983 was 35 years ago. I suspect Kavenaugh is every bit the piece of shit he's being accused of being... but you're really grasping at straws with that FFFFFF thing, IMO.

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                cfabbro
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                Every single one of those has 4 F's not 5. And the fact that "When he drank, Mr. Garrett would stutter words that began with the letter F. It became such a joke that many football teammates,...

                Every single one of those has 4 F's not 5. And the fact that "When he drank, Mr. Garrett would stutter words that began with the letter F. It became such a joke that many football teammates, including Judge Kavanaugh and Mr. Garrett himself, had “FFFFF” references in their personal yearbook pages." seems to pretty clearly indicate it had absolutely nothing to do with what you're suggesting it does.

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                    cfabbro
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                    Says who? Where are you sources? Every single instance on urban dictionary is 4 F's...

                    As I explained earlier, it was common to use anywhere between three and six or seven FFFs.

                    Says who? Where are you sources? Every single instance on urban dictionary is 4 F's...

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                      Sourcing the origins and tracking the usage of slang is not an easy thing. I have heard this sort of thing before, personally.

                      Every single instance on urban dictionary is 4 F's...

                      "Find them, French them, Finger them, Fuck them, Forget them"
                      A derogatory acronym used mainly by frat boys referring to girls.
                      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FFFFF

                      Sourcing the origins and tracking the usage of slang is not an easy thing. I have heard this sort of thing before, personally.

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                      1. cfabbro
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                        Fair enough. You actually convinced me with all those references. Thanks for taking the time to hunt them down.
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                        Fair enough. You actually convinced me with all those references. Thanks for taking the time to hunt them down.

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                      2. Archimedes
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                        Good find. I suspect they were probably using it as a double entendre well aware of its common usage but possibly also as an inside joke like Kavanaugh described.

                        Good find. I suspect they were probably using it as a double entendre well aware of its common usage but possibly also as an inside joke like Kavanaugh described.

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    balooga
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    Where did this letter come from? I was amazed that he had kept his paper calendar for almost 40 years but the fact that somebody preserved such an inconsequential handwritten note for so long is...

    Where did this letter come from? I was amazed that he had kept his paper calendar for almost 40 years but the fact that somebody preserved such an inconsequential handwritten note for so long is even more mind-blowing. I read the article but missed any part of it where it was sourced... has the document's veracity been independently verified?

    If it's real, it's pretty damning. Not specifically regarding Dr. Ford's allegations, but as a means of exposing Kavanaugh's perjury and unfitness for SCOTUS. I'm less interested in the specifics of this one alleged assault than I am of the revelation of this man's character, integrity, and temperament. I don't even particularly care that he was a rowdy alcoholic frat boy half a lifetime ago; people can change and mature over time. But what I see here is an evasive hothead with no qualms about lying under oath or otherwise hiding the truth in a variety of ways. All else aside, there's no way a person like that should be on the bench in the highest court in the United States.

    Frankly his current judicial posting should be reevaluated too.

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      arghdos
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      Honestly, that's a great question... the image they released looks like someone scanned a copy of the original, so perhaps one of the people he sent it too? I feel like if the authenticity was at...

      Where did this letter come from? I was amazed that he had kept his paper calendar for almost 40 years but the fact that somebody preserved such an inconsequential handwritten note for so long is even more mind-blowing. I read the article but missed any part of it where it was sourced... has the document's veracity been independently verified?

      Honestly, that's a great question... the image they released looks like someone scanned a copy of the original, so perhaps one of the people he sent it too?

      I feel like if the authenticity was at all in doubt, then Kavanaugh would have had more to say than just:

      Through his lawyers, Judge Kavanaugh declined to comment for this article, other than to say of his letter: “This is a note I wrote to organize ‘Beach Week’ in the summer of 1983.”

      I mean, it would be dead simple for him to say, "this is a fabrication, I didn't write this, FAKE NEWS" like a certain leader of the free world, and that likely would have worked well enough for people already predisposed to believe him. The fact that he didn't means that it's almost beyond doubt that this is real.

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      1. balooga
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        That's a good point I had missed. If he said in his own words that he had written it, I guess that settles the matter.

        That's a good point I had missed. If he said in his own words that he had written it, I guess that settles the matter.

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    So, doesn't this make his testimony perjury? It looks like the details exceed just adolescent drinking. But then again, does perjury even count for anything anymore? Honestly, I see the article as...

    So, doesn't this make his testimony perjury? It looks like the details exceed just adolescent drinking. But then again, does perjury even count for anything anymore?

    Honestly, I see the article as a glimpse into what privilege looks like during adolescence and beyond. Apparently, Kavanaugh was friends with people who became presidents of companies and lawyers as well as other prestigious positions. I don't know if that's because they were in a place of privilege or just because birds of a feather flock together, but it stands out that the humblest position one of his friends occupies is as a middle-school teacher.

    Then again, maybe the secret to success is just binge drinking. If that's the case, I'll see all of you later. I'm about to become a trillionaire.

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