Deleted my earlier comment. I wanted to quickly remove my accidental spreading of possible misinformation. But, with the multiple comments on HN I found- after researching them, a lot of the...
Deleted my earlier comment. I wanted to quickly remove my accidental spreading of possible misinformation. But, with the multiple comments on HN I found- after researching them, a lot of the claims being made about Proton being bad were debunked and a lot of the discussions about them had been flagged elsewhere in HN, as I should have expected (about them having decryption keys, and other FUD a poorly-written blog was spreading- I couldn't detect any truth about those claims, many of which were worded to sound one way, but meaning something completely benign)
Main thing it seems is if you cancel partially into a prepaid 1-2 year plan, you don't get to use the rest of the time, they just give you credit towards a future renewal. That seems gross, but it's not awful as long as they're transparent about it. It seems billing/downgrade/lock-in is maybe the biggest downside or threat to using the services.
I like the idea of multiple vaults. I miss having that with 1P now that I'm in Bitwarden. Tempted to go for the $12/year temporary deal and use it for a few select passwords and see how it feels. Maybe even considering the Proton Ultimate to get VPN/Drive along with it all for one price. That's somewhat tempting now that it will include a password manager. Their pricing seems to be a lot more reasonable than I remember it being years ago. I suppose they just offer more products for it now.
Update: Trying it out. Thoughts so far: Multiple vaults are available, nice. Import from Bitwarden was easy Credit cards are not available yet so it could not import those and cannot autofill...
Update: Trying it out. Thoughts so far:
Multiple vaults are available, nice.
Import from Bitwarden was easy
Credit cards are not available yet so it could not import those and cannot autofill those yet
Secure notes are available and imported fine
The only app on desktop/PC are browser extensions No desktop apps, no way to manage passwords via a webpage, can only manage the account itself. This is a big downside for me, extension "window" in browser is not re-sizeable. Trapping my ability to manage my vaults in a super tiny little extension window is a pretty shitty choice
From other comments here, I do worry that Proton takes forever to update their products and fix bugs, and they keep moving into new markets without fixing bugs in old ones. That's troubling.
Sites are detected well so far- have not yet tried on mobile
UI is polished and looks good
Too early to tell, I suppose, but I might lean towards sticking with Bitwarden, idk yet. I think I got too "new shiny online service" hyped and now I'm having a moment of clarity
I've been using their VPN and Drive for a while now and I like them. I do have the emails obviously but that's not something I use very often since personal emails just aren't as important for me...
I've been using their VPN and Drive for a while now and I like them. I do have the emails obviously but that's not something I use very often since personal emails just aren't as important for me as they used to be.
I'll probably give the pass a try since I'm currently using Dashlane and have kind of wanted to switch off them to slim down the number of services I have. Don't know that it'll be a permanent switch, though.
They’re totally available. I’m assuming there was a misunderstanding somewhere. I have a business plan and can definitely create a new vault. That being said, I’m wary of having all of my eggs in...
They’re totally available. I’m assuming there was a misunderstanding somewhere. I have a business plan and can definitely create a new vault.
That being said, I’m wary of having all of my eggs in one basket, so to speak. While I’d like to get away from $60/year for 1P family and this is basically free, I’m still pondering the long-term viability.
The free tier has logins and notes and email aliases. It does have paid plans too, which includes 2FA and multiple vaults. I wonder if they'd look to do some kind of family or specific sharing?
The free tier has logins and notes and email aliases. It does have paid plans too, which includes 2FA and multiple vaults. I wonder if they'd look to do some kind of family or specific sharing?
The free tier does have a limit of 10 email addresses. If you're not averse to paying for email, fastmail (paid) + bitwarden (free) is similar and iirc the limit is 1000 aliases and unlimited if...
The free tier does have a limit of 10 email addresses. If you're not averse to paying for email, fastmail (paid) + bitwarden (free) is similar and iirc the limit is 1000 aliases and unlimited if you use your own domain.
Currently a Proton Visionary subscriber and a fan of their services. I have no plans to migrate from Bitwarden. Proton Pass's feature set is still too limited. Maybe later.
Currently a Proton Visionary subscriber and a fan of their services. I have no plans to migrate from Bitwarden. Proton Pass's feature set is still too limited. Maybe later.
Deleted my earlier comment. I wanted to quickly remove my accidental spreading of possible misinformation. But, with the multiple comments on HN I found- after researching them, a lot of the claims being made about Proton being bad were debunked and a lot of the discussions about them had been flagged elsewhere in HN, as I should have expected (about them having decryption keys, and other FUD a poorly-written blog was spreading- I couldn't detect any truth about those claims, many of which were worded to sound one way, but meaning something completely benign)
Main thing it seems is if you cancel partially into a prepaid 1-2 year plan, you don't get to use the rest of the time, they just give you credit towards a future renewal. That seems gross, but it's not awful as long as they're transparent about it. It seems billing/downgrade/lock-in is maybe the biggest downside or threat to using the services.
I like the idea of multiple vaults. I miss having that with 1P now that I'm in Bitwarden. Tempted to go for the $12/year temporary deal and use it for a few select passwords and see how it feels. Maybe even considering the Proton Ultimate to get VPN/Drive along with it all for one price. That's somewhat tempting now that it will include a password manager. Their pricing seems to be a lot more reasonable than I remember it being years ago. I suppose they just offer more products for it now.
Update: Trying it out. Thoughts so far:
Too early to tell, I suppose, but I might lean towards sticking with Bitwarden, idk yet. I think I got too "new shiny online service" hyped and now I'm having a moment of clarity
Oh, thanks for the heads-up! Never considered doing it that way, that's cool!
I've been using their VPN and Drive for a while now and I like them. I do have the emails obviously but that's not something I use very often since personal emails just aren't as important for me as they used to be.
I'll probably give the pass a try since I'm currently using Dashlane and have kind of wanted to switch off them to slim down the number of services I have. Don't know that it'll be a permanent switch, though.
I think once they roll out vaults I might actually give this a look, as much as I love Bitwarden I’m kinda looking for a change to something different
Oh... are vaults not available yet (?)... it looks like they are to me?
They’re totally available. I’m assuming there was a misunderstanding somewhere. I have a business plan and can definitely create a new vault.
That being said, I’m wary of having all of my eggs in one basket, so to speak. While I’d like to get away from $60/year for 1P family and this is basically free, I’m still pondering the long-term viability.
The free tier has logins and notes and email aliases. It does have paid plans too, which includes 2FA and multiple vaults. I wonder if they'd look to do some kind of family or specific sharing?
The free tier does have a limit of 10 email addresses. If you're not averse to paying for email, fastmail (paid) + bitwarden (free) is similar and iirc the limit is 1000 aliases and unlimited if you use your own domain.
How does this compare to KeePass? How hard is it to switch over from KeePass?
Currently a Proton Visionary subscriber and a fan of their services. I have no plans to migrate from Bitwarden. Proton Pass's feature set is still too limited. Maybe later.