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Rabbit gaslit me, so I dug deeper

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    JCAPER
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    I've seen people claiming this before, but the posts and tweets didn't get that much attention. (edit: about LAM and Playwritght) For some reason this point always rubbed me the wrong way. It's...

    I've seen people claiming this before, but the posts and tweets didn't get that much attention. (edit: about LAM and Playwritght)

    For some reason this point always rubbed me the wrong way. It's not that I don't think it can't be done, just found it weird that of all the companies that could be the face of this type of model, it would be Rabbit. Not Google, not OpenAI, not Microsoft, not Apple, but Rabbit. The small company with a questionable past and no model or OS or app to their name.

    Assuming Cozilla is right, this is kind of hilarious though. I wonder what they were actually thinking, like how they would support this feature in the short and medium term. I'm no dev but even I know how much of a pain is to keep a scrapper bot up to date for one website, never mind several

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    1. Eji1700
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      There was never a goal to keep it working. Only a goal to gobble up funding, push out the bare minimum product, get a bunch of initial sales, and then go "oops it failed, too bad" and walk...

      There was never a goal to keep it working. Only a goal to gobble up funding, push out the bare minimum product, get a bunch of initial sales, and then go "oops it failed, too bad" and walk away...roughly.

      This is a very common pattern, that's just gotten way way more common with tech hype both signal boosting everything AND coming with absurd claims (crypto/ai being the main ones).

      Edit- I should add that the insanely low interest rate market made it simple for investors to throw money at stuff, and that also caused issues.

      17 votes
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    SteeeveTheSteve
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    This is a "do your homework" video because he doesn't know tech and it sounds rather biased against Rabbit. Good for bringing this to your attention and giving points to lookup, but take anything...

    This is a "do your homework" video because he doesn't know tech and it sounds rather biased against Rabbit. Good for bringing this to your attention and giving points to lookup, but take anything he says with a grain of salt.

    The tracking issue is a great example. When he tests it, it tells him it used his internet to do so, then he says the GPS is bad. He apparently doesn't know enough about tech to know it wasn't using GPS. It uses the worse location tracking to get the GENERAL location the same as what websites use when shopping on your computer. The bit about location tracking he brought up even says it has other methods like GPS to get more precise results. In his case, the IP records are not showing his actual location. He may have a VPN, private Static IP or the records could just be wrong or outdated. If you have this issue, restart your modem and your ISP should give you a new IP that might be more accurate (assuming yours isn't static).

    Try it yourself, this website shows the results of several IP Geolocation providers: https://whatismyipaddress.com/location-feedback
    Great article on geolocation accuracy: https://whatismyipaddress.com/geolocation-accuracy

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      The Rabbit being a physical device means it has more access than that, it can look up your location using a Wifi and Bluetooth beacon map for example. It just doesn't. That's actually quite a...

      The Rabbit being a physical device means it has more access than that, it can look up your location using a Wifi and Bluetooth beacon map for example. It just doesn't. That's actually quite a problem for a device that's supposed to be able to call an Uber for you.

      His diagnosis about the problem is incorrect but there's still a problem, and there's still no indication of where any claimed LAM might be lurking. People with actual tech skills have been running practically unimpeded through Rabbit's front and back ends and there's no sign of its existence yet. Just hardcoded actions being called by other people's LLMs.

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      1. Grumble4681
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        Not just this, but in the video he points out in the 'fine print' which I assume is probably TOS or something that it specifically says the r1 tracks your precise location using the technology you...

        The Rabbit being a physical device means it has more access than that, it can look up your location using a Wifi and Bluetooth beacon map for example. It just doesn't. That's actually quite a problem for a device that's supposed to be able to call an Uber for you.

        Not just this, but in the video he points out in the 'fine print' which I assume is probably TOS or something that it specifically says the r1 tracks your precise location using the technology you mentioned and also says GPS. So it's not unreasonable for him to believe it is using more precise location information than just IP geolocation services because they specifically state that it is using other tech than just IP geolocation. It's another case of a failure to deliver on what they said their product does.

        That isn't supporting the notion that youtuber is biased, it's supporting the assertion that Rabbit doesn't do what it says it does.

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