Having dealt with Reno, I more than believe it. Having dealt with lawyers, I don't love some of the presentation of the story (the real ID star is very easy to fake at first glance, so I...
Having dealt with Reno, I more than believe it.
Having dealt with lawyers, I don't love some of the presentation of the story (the real ID star is very easy to fake at first glance, so I understand that not being enough off the jump...obviously plenty more was).
Think the video is worth a watch since it's got a ton of the body cam, although I wouldn't be shocked if it's fast forwarding past things that don't support the case being presented (not that there's any doubt even with that that this guy hasn't been 100% wronged)
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And having dealt with fake IDs more than at least the average person, again, I don't love the Lawyers presentation of some of this. It's very common for fake IDs to have "roughly" correct data since even normal ID data is self reported. Things like Weight, Height, Eye Color don't really prove or disprove much, especially when they're close.
What DOES disprove a TON is the ID being confirmed as legit and the guy being arrested supposedly having multiple forms of ID on him with the same data (drivers license, debit card, teamsters card, vehicle insurance, etc). This is where the cop is just doubly fucking stupid because coming up with this criminal mastermind theory is absurd, and probably just because "well the software can't be wrong" which is doubly fucking dumb.
I would love for the Casino and even maybe the software provider to get sued as well in this.
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oh jesus fuck and they dug in and prosecuted. God reno is such a shit show.
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Honestly this seems to be skipping the important part which is the fucking DA that decided to actually move forward with this. I assumed the headline was misinterpreting things (as cops cannot prosecute) but the fact a DA ran with this is fucking gross or something MAJOR is being left out of this story.
IIRC they said they measured his height when they trepassed the other guy. That didn't line up with the height of this guy that got arrested. 5ft9 vs 6ft. Playing devils advocate, what if the...
It's very common for fake IDs to have "roughly" correct data since even normal ID data is self reported. Things like Weight, Height, Eye Color don't really prove or disprove much, especially when they're close.
IIRC they said they measured his height when they trepassed the other guy. That didn't line up with the height of this guy that got arrested. 5ft9 vs 6ft.
What DOES disprove a TON is the ID being confirmed as legit and the guy being arrested supposedly having multiple forms of ID on him with the same data (drivers license, debit card, teamsters card, vehicle insurance, etc)
Playing devils advocate, what if the first ID was the fake one?
Unlikely given that the man he was confused for was trespassed from the premises, meaning an officer (presumably a different one) would have checked the previous man's ID back then and ran it...
Unlikely given that the man he was confused for was trespassed from the premises, meaning an officer (presumably a different one) would have checked the previous man's ID back then and ran it through a check via dispatch and filed the paperwork after so the man could be arrested if he showed back up. (Assuming this works comparably to IL)
Our campus officers can confirm an ID by reading it off to dispatch in like a minute. If it's invalid it comes back with no record. That is why the officer had to claim an inside job at the DMV... A hookup is a very common thing for people who are trespassed from casinos for sleeping there to have /s
They did. Height is self reported and often incorrect (or at least within that margin of error), and in the video they even talk about how shoes could change it, because it often does. For guys...
IIRC they said they measured his height when they trepassed the other guy. That didn't line up with the height of this guy that got arrested. 5ft9 vs 6ft.
They did. Height is self reported and often incorrect (or at least within that margin of error), and in the video they even talk about how shoes could change it, because it often does. For guys especially a lot of people who are 6ft+ on the ID that just aren't by any reasonable standard.
Playing devils advocate, what if the first ID was the fake one?
Yeah and that's the "reasonableish" line. Mr Killinger had shown up previously with a fake ID identifying him as Mike (as is publicly documented in multiple court documents at this point so i'm not sure why the video is referring to him as ME) and got trespassed under that ID. Then he shows up again later with his actual ID and now they want to trespass him again.
That's the charitable interpretation of what the cop might have been thinking, although it's certainly an extremely unlikely event that this person happened to have their fake ID on them when they got in trouble. The part that makes this weird is that the player HAD a players card which I assume has a sign up date which implies at some point before or since he was allowed in and had signed up.
So compare that with just a basic investigation from casino security that lines up "huh this original trespass doesn't seem like the kind of behavior we'd expect from this guy" would've made this easy.
I "hope" the player was asked to leave and refused, as the casino does reserve the right to refuse service, and then that would've forced the trespassing issue, but this seems to be a case of just straight up detaining him for the police on sight. The entire thing feels odd because unless the original trespass was due to violent or dangerous behavior (which it appears to not be), the handling of the whole thing feels fucking weird. The facial match doesn't help anything, but honestly if they look that alike the same thing probably would've happened without it (again, not okay, but people are not known for their judgement).
Having dealt with Reno, I more than believe it.
Having dealt with lawyers, I don't love some of the presentation of the story (the real ID star is very easy to fake at first glance, so I understand that not being enough off the jump...obviously plenty more was).
Think the video is worth a watch since it's got a ton of the body cam, although I wouldn't be shocked if it's fast forwarding past things that don't support the case being presented (not that there's any doubt even with that that this guy hasn't been 100% wronged)
Edit:
And having dealt with fake IDs more than at least the average person, again, I don't love the Lawyers presentation of some of this. It's very common for fake IDs to have "roughly" correct data since even normal ID data is self reported. Things like Weight, Height, Eye Color don't really prove or disprove much, especially when they're close.
What DOES disprove a TON is the ID being confirmed as legit and the guy being arrested supposedly having multiple forms of ID on him with the same data (drivers license, debit card, teamsters card, vehicle insurance, etc). This is where the cop is just doubly fucking stupid because coming up with this criminal mastermind theory is absurd, and probably just because "well the software can't be wrong" which is doubly fucking dumb.
I would love for the Casino and even maybe the software provider to get sued as well in this.
Edit 2-
oh jesus fuck and they dug in and prosecuted. God reno is such a shit show.
Edit 3 -
Honestly this seems to be skipping the important part which is the fucking DA that decided to actually move forward with this. I assumed the headline was misinterpreting things (as cops cannot prosecute) but the fact a DA ran with this is fucking gross or something MAJOR is being left out of this story.
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Okay i have better things to do but to be clear the casino already settled their case, and this is the suit against the officer in question. Found this to be helpful, especially near the end: https://allaboutlawyer.com/jason-killinger-lawsuit-ups-driver-sues-reno-police-officer-r-jager-after-ai-face-scan-put-wrong-man-in-jail-for-11-hours/
Related: https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/ai-error-jails-innocent-grandmother-for-months-in-north-dakota-fraud-case
IIRC they said they measured his height when they trepassed the other guy. That didn't line up with the height of this guy that got arrested. 5ft9 vs 6ft.
Playing devils advocate, what if the first ID was the fake one?
Unlikely given that the man he was confused for was trespassed from the premises, meaning an officer (presumably a different one) would have checked the previous man's ID back then and ran it through a check via dispatch and filed the paperwork after so the man could be arrested if he showed back up. (Assuming this works comparably to IL)
Our campus officers can confirm an ID by reading it off to dispatch in like a minute. If it's invalid it comes back with no record. That is why the officer had to claim an inside job at the DMV... A hookup is a very common thing for people who are trespassed from casinos for sleeping there to have /s
This was supposed to be replying to @Eji1700
They did. Height is self reported and often incorrect (or at least within that margin of error), and in the video they even talk about how shoes could change it, because it often does. For guys especially a lot of people who are 6ft+ on the ID that just aren't by any reasonable standard.
Yeah and that's the "reasonableish" line. Mr Killinger had shown up previously with a fake ID identifying him as Mike (as is publicly documented in multiple court documents at this point so i'm not sure why the video is referring to him as ME) and got trespassed under that ID. Then he shows up again later with his actual ID and now they want to trespass him again.
That's the charitable interpretation of what the cop might have been thinking, although it's certainly an extremely unlikely event that this person happened to have their fake ID on them when they got in trouble. The part that makes this weird is that the player HAD a players card which I assume has a sign up date which implies at some point before or since he was allowed in and had signed up.
So compare that with just a basic investigation from casino security that lines up "huh this original trespass doesn't seem like the kind of behavior we'd expect from this guy" would've made this easy.
I "hope" the player was asked to leave and refused, as the casino does reserve the right to refuse service, and then that would've forced the trespassing issue, but this seems to be a case of just straight up detaining him for the police on sight. The entire thing feels odd because unless the original trespass was due to violent or dangerous behavior (which it appears to not be), the handling of the whole thing feels fucking weird. The facial match doesn't help anything, but honestly if they look that alike the same thing probably would've happened without it (again, not okay, but people are not known for their judgement).