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Facebook chats from planning session of Unite The Right 2 have been leaked
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- Title
- LEAKED: Violent Racists Use Facebook Chat To Plan 'Unite The Right 2' - UNICORN RIOT
- Published
- Jun 28 2018
- Word count
- 1337 words
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I think this is important to post because I've seen it repeated here that the fascists at UTR didn't come planning violence, or that AntiFa were the violent ones. Hopefully this dispels that myth. Violence is part and parcel of what they do.
Why can't they both be violent?
The other side is violent. Our side is acting in self defense.
As long as you guys tell yourselves that, the violence will continue.
EDIT: Because, again, both sides are guilty.
I think the comment above yours is supposed to be sarcastic. Like, they are quoting what both sides say. I'm not sure tho
It's hard to argue self defense on the side of the fascists. They came from other states. The guy that murdered Heather Heyer is from Ohio. Imagine if a burglar broke into someone's house and killed them, then tried to claim self defense in court. How would that go?
Burglary is illegal. Protesting isn't.
Why are several fascists sitting in jail or on their way to jail if their method of protesting wasn't illegal?
Hmm. If so, that was actually rather clever.
Do you happen to have something from an actual news site? I can't seem to get this site to load and the url screams blog spam.
@deimos, is there any plan to ensure that actual news is posted to ~news? After this and seeing links to twitter yesterday I am thinking tildes may fill with fluff sooner than later.
Thank you for these links. Unfortunately, I’m going to have to assume that a blog site that crashes under minimal load and has an obvious lean is not a legit news site. That isn’t to say their info is wrong, but if they’re the only one to be a source, I have to seriously doubt the legitimacy. Why did the leaker not leak to a site that doesn’t look my daughter runs it?
Why do you get to decide what qualifies as a legitimate source and what isn't? Unicorn Riot is somewhere between a blog and a news operation, but this is essentially a summary of the private chats and they link to the original source so you can judge for yourself how accurate they are or if they missed anything.
Tildes needs content and I don't see any content you've posted recently. Be the change you want to see.
The site works for me and apparently others in the thread, maybe it's the vanity .ninja url that's causing issues for you.
I never said I’m the one who decides, which is why I asked for an additional site. I 100% have an issue with a vanity site like .ninja because it screams that it’s a personal project and not a real news site. Couple that with only 1-2 “articles” a day and a fact check site clearly showing it has a bias.
I’ve been around long enough to recognize when a site from either side has a clear bias and I expected better from tildes. I’m just as wary if a site has claims for a sports transfer or really anything that has potential to go viral. This is why almost every sports sub on Reddit has flair or bots that let people know certain sites are full of shit most of the time.
My main concern is why would a legit leak only leak to a vanity site that looks like my tween kid runs it? I’m supposed to believe that after all the drama since the SC crap that the only people following some piece of shit that received world wide infamy is a no name blog?
I have no problem with you or anyone linking content, but if i can post any blog as news, why should anyone accept what’s posted here as actual news? Should I start posting some right wing blog that uses neutral words and claim it as news? What if they are able to get other sites to quote them? Accepting a single source as truth without question is how we end up with an ignorant racist as president.
They're not a "vanity site" (though nor would I call them a "real news site" - but I wouldn't use such a meaningless term, either...), they're a small group of (mostly?) volunteers that largely livestream protests; they are sort of spiritual successors to the Indymedia project, albeit with less transparency. Or focus.
They've released other leaked chat logs, most notably from the nazi group Atomwaffen. (Who have never, AFAIK, contested their authenticity.) I strongly suspect those, and these, messages weren't so much "leaked to" as "acquired by" UR. Even if they were "leaked to" UR, it's probably because they're somewhat sympathetic to antifa, and infiltrating the private forums and chats of neo-Nazis and the like has been a pasttime of antifa for well over a decade.
But you just keep on thinking what you've decided to think. It's your prerogative.
By vanity url I just meant something other than .com, .net, .org etc. Theirs is .ninja - really couldn't tell you why. I thought that might be causing issues with your browser.
I personally don't see a problem with bias as long as a couple conditions are met. Their bias is very clear. They are radical and support radical movements. As a result they get access to sources that would never speak to traditional media. They've posted some stuff from pipeline saboteurs, people involved with resistance in Ferguson, and so on. While that bias comes through in what and how they report, I have not seen them stretch the truth.
Someone would legit leak to Unicorn Riot for the same reason they'd leak to WikiLeaks or The Intercept. They're outside of the mainstream, but they are committed to the truth and to telling stories that don't get told in the corporate media publications. 96% of what you see, read, and hear on the airwaves is owned by five or six corporations. We should shine a spotlight on the good parts of that 4%.
I want to apologize. I did not mean to be an asshole, but I see how I was. I obviously have a different opinion on what should be news than this group, so I’ll remove myself.
This is the original source, so any news article is just going to be linking and quoting from this. Here's an example: https://www.thedailybeast.com/organizers-behind-deadly-charlottesville-rally-are-inviting-more-skinheads-this-year
I get that it may be original, but my question was more “how do we know this is legit?” @FreeLunch gave a link that shows this site is at least heard of, but from where I’m sitting if a (unknown to me) site with a bias is the only site to have info, how legit is it really? Why would the whistle blower only leak to them and not a known site?
Why do you think you have perfect knowledge of all the websites out there? Check them out, they're legit. Maybe you were just introduced to something new. Which is what Tildes should be about, at least partially, right?
What's the issue? You don't like Unicorn Riot, ignore the blog post and go directly to the material linked from the horse's mouth
https://www.unicornriot.ninja/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/2f2521b1-9ad9-469f-8c01-df08a55220b3.png
https://discordleaks.unicornriot.ninja/discord/user/1647?
https://unicornriot.ninja/wp-content/uploads/charlottesville/utr-2018-facebook.html
I can't make any claim one one way or the other myself, but telling someone who doesn't trust Unicorn Riot to go directly to the material linked doesn't really help when said material is, itself, hosted by Unicorn Riot.
I guess it would depend on the levels of malice I'm willing to attribute to a publication I've never heard of before. Write a biased opinion piece about a topic? Maybe. Fabricate pages and pages of contrived incriminating conversation? Probably not. Especially so when the reputation of those quoted has been well established before and it's not at all a stretch for them to say such things
If you're not careful, this is how rumors spread.
Yeah. Except I have read and listened to interviews with Kessler and several other neo nazis in his crew. This is exactly the kind of things they say, I am not the least surprised.
This policy of deliberate disregard and refusing to call a violent psychopath by name despite ample evidence is very reminiscent of the European appeasement approach towards Hitler
Looking for an additional source is a pretty reasonable reaction to any news, for people on either "side", especially for hot button topics like this. I don't think that's grounds to godwin the thread straight away, and I would hope we can hold ourselves to a higher standard on ~.
It's not Godwin when the thread is literally about neo nazis