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Github is currently experiencing service outages

17 comments

  1. [15]
    demifiend
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    I'm sorry if this is premature (or inappropriate for tildes.net), but... Did Windows Update break Github? :)

    I'm sorry if this is premature (or inappropriate for tildes.net), but...

    Did Windows Update break Github? :)

    11 votes
    1. [13]
      starchturrets
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      I wouldn’t attribute the outage to Microsoft, humorous as it would be. Remember, Github once dealt with the world’s largest DDoS. Also, shout out to @Deimos for hosting ~ stuff on gitlab.

      I wouldn’t attribute the outage to Microsoft, humorous as it would be. Remember, Github once dealt with the world’s largest DDoS. Also, shout out to @Deimos for hosting ~ stuff on gitlab.

      6 votes
      1. [12]
        demifiend
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        I know, but as a longtime GitHub user who switched to Bitbucket after hearing about the acquisition, it was too hard to resist making the obvious joke.

        I wouldn’t attribute the outage to Microsoft, humorous as it would be. Remember, Github once dealt with the world’s largest DDoS.

        I know, but as a longtime GitHub user who switched to Bitbucket after hearing about the acquisition, it was too hard to resist making the obvious joke.

        6 votes
        1. [11]
          starchturrets
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          Seriously though, why does Microsoft insist on being so assholeish with Windows 10? It’s not just the forced, ad-riddled updates, the data collection is insane and can’t be turned off. Even if you...

          Seriously though, why does Microsoft insist on being so assholeish with Windows 10? It’s not just the forced, ad-riddled updates, the data collection is insane and can’t be turned off. Even if you hunted through the settings and opted out of some of it, the switches change back!

          5 votes
          1. pseudolobster
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            App store model. Razor blade economics. Loss leaders. Operating System as a Service. Instead of selling you the OS and be done with it, they want residuals. They want you to buy all your software...

            App store model. Razor blade economics. Loss leaders. Operating System as a Service. Instead of selling you the OS and be done with it, they want residuals. They want you to buy all your software from the app store, where they get a 30% cut. They want to market to you things on the app store, so they collect data ostensibly to do this better. They want people to pay them to install their bloatware on every windows PC, ie: Bubble Witch Saga etc. They want you to use Edge, Bing, and Cortana so they can build bigger data profiles on you. They want you to use a unified microsoft account so that all these data are connected, and they can build a bigger profile on you to sell to advertisers via Bing.

            Of course it's all very anti-consumer and evil, but there's no question to me why they're doing it.

            10 votes
          2. demifiend
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            They do it because they can. The US government already prosecuted them on antitrust violations, and that didn't stop them. As long as Microsoft has a stranglehold on corporate offices and gamers,...

            Seriously though, why does Microsoft insist on being so assholeish with Windows 10?

            They do it because they can. The US government already prosecuted them on antitrust violations, and that didn't stop them. As long as Microsoft has a stranglehold on corporate offices and gamers, they'll be able to continue pushing Windows and the rest of their shit.

            What's the average person going to do, anyway, install Linux or a BSD? Not likely. They'd have to RTFM and become their own sysadmins -- or find somebody willing to do it for them.

            5 votes
          3. [8]
            Luca
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            I'll only comment on the forced updates here. Unpopular opinion here, but I'm glad home editions of Windows 10 don't give the user the option of not installing updates. Most users don't know...

            Seriously though, why does Microsoft insist on being so assholeish with Windows 10?

            I'll only comment on the forced updates here. Unpopular opinion here, but I'm glad home editions of Windows 10 don't give the user the option of not installing updates.

            Most users don't know what's best for them. Most users will refuse to update for months on end, leaving their computers potentially vulnerable. This affects everyone. The user is directly affected by malware, Microsoft's public image gets tarnished, and everyone is affected by these vulnerable machines being added to botnets.

            5 votes
            1. [7]
              demifiend
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              That's because Microsoft updates are intolerably inconvenient, often break things, and force users to shut down everything they're working on because Windows can't update or remove open files. At...

              Most users will refuse to update for months on end, leaving their computers potentially vulnerable.

              That's because Microsoft updates are intolerably inconvenient, often break things, and force users to shut down everything they're working on because Windows can't update or remove open files.

              At least with most Linuxes, I can set a cron job to handle updates in the background, and need only reboot after a kernel update. And with OpenBSD, you shut down and boot from the ramdisk to update the base system, and then update the packages separately. If you stick to releases, you need only do this every six months.

              Nobody likes unplanned downtime, and that's what you get with Windows Update.

              6 votes
              1. [6]
                Luca
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                Of course Windows's aggressive file-locking doesn't help, but let's be honest - even if the updates were more convenient, most users would still reflexively press the "Remind me later" button ad...

                Of course Windows's aggressive file-locking doesn't help, but let's be honest - even if the updates were more convenient, most users would still reflexively press the "Remind me later" button ad inifnitum.

                I'm no lover of Microsoft, but given the choice between inconveniencing users and leaving millions of vulnerable machines, I'll take the former option 100% of the time.

                3 votes
                1. [5]
                  demifiend
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                  So do I, but I don't have to deal with everybody's whinging. I just take my wife's macbook away from her and do all the sysadmin shit for her while she's taking her medicine and getting ready for bed.

                  I'm no lover of Microsoft, but given the choice between inconveniencing users and leaving millions of vulnerable machines, I'll take the former option 100% of the time.

                  So do I, but I don't have to deal with everybody's whinging. I just take my wife's macbook away from her and do all the sysadmin shit for her while she's taking her medicine and getting ready for bed.

                  3 votes
                  1. [4]
                    Luca
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                    So... Opening the App Store, clicking "Install Update," then waiting 30-40 minutes while the latest MacOS incremental update takes forever to install? (/s. Mostly. Love me MacOS, at least compared...

                    I just take my wife's macbook away from her and do all the sysadmin shit for her while she's taking her medicine and getting ready for bed.

                    So... Opening the App Store, clicking "Install Update," then waiting 30-40 minutes while the latest MacOS incremental update takes forever to install?

                    (/s. Mostly. Love me MacOS, at least compared to Windows, but goddamn I hate its updates just as much)

                    2 votes
                    1. [3]
                      demifiend
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                      Yeah, I know, but this is the closest my wife will go to desktop Unix.

                      Yeah, I know, but this is the closest my wife will go to desktop Unix.

                      2 votes
                      1. [2]
                        Luca
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                        Hey, no hate to Macs. My daily driver laptop is a MacBook Pro, even though I run Linux on my desktop.

                        Hey, no hate to Macs. My daily driver laptop is a MacBook Pro, even though I run Linux on my desktop.

                        2 votes
                        1. demifiend
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                          You can hate on Macs all you like. Doesn't bother me, since I don't work for them or own stock. I liked the Macbooks that Apple made when Steve Jobs was still running the company, but I soon...

                          You can hate on Macs all you like. Doesn't bother me, since I don't work for them or own stock. I liked the Macbooks that Apple made when Steve Jobs was still running the company, but I soon realized that a secondhand ThinkPad T-series laptop running OpenBSD (used to be Linux) would let me do everything I used a computer to do.

                          So I gave my Macbook to my wife. :)

                          2 votes
  2. Pilgrim
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    Yeah gitlab!

    Yeah gitlab!

    5 votes
  3. SourceContribute
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    This is why self-hosting of Github or other services is a must if you've got the budget for it; waste of dev time to be hurt by outages like this.

    This is why self-hosting of Github or other services is a must if you've got the budget for it; waste of dev time to be hurt by outages like this.

    1 vote