Yeah. The people who care the most about this project's ideals are probably linux users. It will be hard for it to take of if they treat the community like second class citizens.
Yeah. The people who care the most about this project's ideals are probably linux users. It will be hard for it to take of if they treat the community like second class citizens.
And the way they're going about it is totally backwards. If you're trying to offer up a product/service that you want people to use, you don't say "give me money and you might get something back."...
And the way they're going about it is totally backwards. If you're trying to offer up a product/service that you want people to use, you don't say "give me money and you might get something back." Nobody's going to pay to be a second class citizen. You gotta have something tangible worth supporting first.
Yet another one.. I think distributed services are just not meant to be at this point. Federated services just offer more flexibility and options to create private platforms. It's slightly sad...
Yet another one.. I think distributed services are just not meant to be at this point. Federated services just offer more flexibility and options to create private platforms. It's slightly sad that they don't have Linux support either as @tindall mentioned. Frontend is Electron too, it just seems the technical details are just.. short-sighted, I guess.
Communities can elect and impeach their own mods by voting. If a mod behaves inappropriately, users can disable that mod locally as well. Doing so reverts all changes by that moderator for the user, and counts for one impeachment vote.
This was relatively interesting though. It's worth pondering if this is a good system to have in place. I'm scared it could be abused but since banning seems impossible, a mod wouldn't be able to just go rogue needlessly so the community it fostered would still be protected.
But then if you can't be banned, it becomes trivial to have all communities trashed by a raid of trolls simply by outnumbering people.
I do feel like the "impeaching" a moderator could turn very bad. From what I understand it just takes a mass of people to get rid of them, even if they have to reason to. This means that larger...
I do feel like the "impeaching" a moderator could turn very bad. From what I understand it just takes a mass of people to get rid of them, even if they have to reason to. This means that larger communities could come along and just swallow up smaller ones and put them under their control.
I decided to take a look and it definitely looks pretty good for such an early version. The concept is pretty cool as well. It's way more laid-back than here which is awesome. The community is...
I decided to take a look and it definitely looks pretty good for such an early version. The concept is pretty cool as well. It's way more laid-back than here which is awesome.
The community is pretty much dead though, so it kind of limits the usability, at least for now.
Yes, it is effectively brand new. I think these sorts of decentralized platforms will be essential for maintaining privacy in the future and people will gradually come to realize this. I know...
Yes, it is effectively brand new.
I think these sorts of decentralized platforms will be essential for maintaining privacy in the future and people will gradually come to realize this. I know Facebook has been seeing declines recently but I don't know if people are actively seeking alternatives that solve the core problem.
I don't think so. The bulk of people don't give a shit about data privacy beyond the point of "is someone gonna hack me and get my nudes". I don't see this changing. We've seen some gruesome...
I don't think so. The bulk of people don't give a shit about data privacy beyond the point of "is someone gonna hack me and get my nudes". I don't see this changing. We've seen some gruesome things come out about facebook and google handling our data in recent months and I'd say over 99% of the people I know don't really give a crap.
I feel like this is a result of people being too accommodated in the current government or lacking that healthy fear of it going evil. Here in Brazil we are just about to transition into a somewhat authoritarian government and there has been a tiny movement of people downloading encrypted open source stuff called signal, for example. It shows how people's fear of the government can lead to people being more conscious about privacy. And that's still just a tiny part of the tech savvy left leaning population. Sadly most people won't realize it's time to change before it's too late.
I'm not certain that Facebook is declining because of privacy concerns. I'm in highschool, and few of my friends still use Facebook, but not at all because of idealistic reasons or concerns about...
I'm not certain that Facebook is declining because of privacy concerns. I'm in highschool, and few of my friends still use Facebook, but not at all because of idealistic reasons or concerns about privacy. Snapchat, instagram, and music.ly/TicToc are replacing Facebook, and none of them are really any better when it comes to privacy.
I was using this years ago before this version came out. It was working decently back then. I could see posts and interact fairly well but voting didn't work (The problem was you would only see...
I was using this years ago before this version came out. It was working decently back then. I could see posts and interact fairly well but voting didn't work (The problem was you would only see votes from the peers you were directly connected too because the fear was peers would make up vote counts if they could forward them on from others). The dev then went fairly silent for years just mentioning that they are rebuilding the whole thing and will post something when it's ready. I honestly expected nothing after so long but I'm amazed its here. Super excited to try it out again.
Version 2 of Aether has released. I posted a video by the author last month in which he discusses some of the challenges he has encountered in building the platform. I was able to get it running...
Version 2 of Aether has released. I posted a video by the author last month in which he discusses some of the challenges he has encountered in building the platform.
I was able to get it running and there are ~50 communities thus far. It took a little while to sync to the bootstrap node - it was almost half an hour before the list populated. Looks pretty good so far. I'm curious whether or not it will gain any traction.
This is an awesome concept and I'm glad somebody's doing it. From the looks of it they've built in methods to curtail the kinds of things that happen on the dark web that turn me away from TOR -...
This is an awesome concept and I'm glad somebody's doing it. From the looks of it they've built in methods to curtail the kinds of things that happen on the dark web that turn me away from TOR - the black market sites, child porn rings, stuff like that, that I don't want to associate my network presence with. If it's an effective democratic decentralized system it's going to depend on what kind of people use it overall, so maybe it'll be fine. What do you all think? @determinism said it was looking good, but what do you think it'll become as/if it grows?
There's a section on this page regarding Mastadon. https://getaether.net/docs/how_is_it_different_from/ The gist is that Mastadon is federated, Aether is distributed. On Mastadon, content is...
There's a section on this page regarding Mastadon.
The gist is that Mastadon is federated, Aether is distributed. On Mastadon, content is stored on servers - there can be several servers, anyone can start one, they can talk to each other, but generally there are far more users than servers. Using Aether, all content is distributed to all of the nodes that know about each other, there is only one "bootstrap" node that the developer hosts to kick off new users.
It's quite different architecture. Aether is distributed - everyone has the full database and no one owns the network or parts of it. Think Bitcoin (minus the currency aspect). Mastodon and the...
It's quite different architecture.
Aether is distributed - everyone has the full database and no one owns the network or parts of it.
Think Bitcoin (minus the currency aspect).
Mastodon and the others use a common protocol which allows servers to talk to each other.
Think Email.
Edit : I didn't see that @determinism had answered already. Note to self, refresh the page before commenting.
It doesn't look anything like an open source discord though, since there are no closed groups and everything is sorted by threads and not by channels...
It doesn't look anything like an open source discord though, since there are no closed groups and everything is sorted by threads and not by channels...
Yeah. The people who care the most about this project's ideals are probably linux users. It will be hard for it to take of if they treat the community like second class citizens.
And the way they're going about it is totally backwards. If you're trying to offer up a product/service that you want people to use, you don't say "give me money and you might get something back." Nobody's going to pay to be a second class citizen. You gotta have something tangible worth supporting first.
Yet another one.. I think distributed services are just not meant to be at this point. Federated services just offer more flexibility and options to create private platforms. It's slightly sad that they don't have Linux support either as @tindall mentioned. Frontend is Electron too, it just seems the technical details are just.. short-sighted, I guess.
This was relatively interesting though. It's worth pondering if this is a good system to have in place. I'm scared it could be abused but since banning seems impossible, a mod wouldn't be able to just go rogue needlessly so the community it fostered would still be protected.
But then if you can't be banned, it becomes trivial to have all communities trashed by a raid of trolls simply by outnumbering people.
I do feel like the "impeaching" a moderator could turn very bad. From what I understand it just takes a mass of people to get rid of them, even if they have to reason to. This means that larger communities could come along and just swallow up smaller ones and put them under their control.
I decided to take a look and it definitely looks pretty good for such an early version. The concept is pretty cool as well. It's way more laid-back than here which is awesome.
The community is pretty much dead though, so it kind of limits the usability, at least for now.
Yes, it is effectively brand new.
I think these sorts of decentralized platforms will be essential for maintaining privacy in the future and people will gradually come to realize this. I know Facebook has been seeing declines recently but I don't know if people are actively seeking alternatives that solve the core problem.
I don't think so. The bulk of people don't give a shit about data privacy beyond the point of "is someone gonna hack me and get my nudes". I don't see this changing. We've seen some gruesome things come out about facebook and google handling our data in recent months and I'd say over 99% of the people I know don't really give a crap.
I feel like this is a result of people being too accommodated in the current government or lacking that healthy fear of it going evil. Here in Brazil we are just about to transition into a somewhat authoritarian government and there has been a tiny movement of people downloading encrypted open source stuff called signal, for example. It shows how people's fear of the government can lead to people being more conscious about privacy. And that's still just a tiny part of the tech savvy left leaning population. Sadly most people won't realize it's time to change before it's too late.
I'm not certain that Facebook is declining because of privacy concerns. I'm in highschool, and few of my friends still use Facebook, but not at all because of idealistic reasons or concerns about privacy. Snapchat, instagram, and music.ly/TicToc are replacing Facebook, and none of them are really any better when it comes to privacy.
I was using this years ago before this version came out. It was working decently back then. I could see posts and interact fairly well but voting didn't work (The problem was you would only see votes from the peers you were directly connected too because the fear was peers would make up vote counts if they could forward them on from others). The dev then went fairly silent for years just mentioning that they are rebuilding the whole thing and will post something when it's ready. I honestly expected nothing after so long but I'm amazed its here. Super excited to try it out again.
Great. A social network with an Electron dependency. Guess I won't be bothering with it.
Version 2 of Aether has released. I posted a video by the author last month in which he discusses some of the challenges he has encountered in building the platform.
I was able to get it running and there are ~50 communities thus far. It took a little while to sync to the bootstrap node - it was almost half an hour before the list populated. Looks pretty good so far. I'm curious whether or not it will gain any traction.
I still have the old version from a year or so ago. I could never make heads or tails of it. I'm looking forward to seeing the new version.
This is an awesome concept and I'm glad somebody's doing it. From the looks of it they've built in methods to curtail the kinds of things that happen on the dark web that turn me away from TOR - the black market sites, child porn rings, stuff like that, that I don't want to associate my network presence with. If it's an effective democratic decentralized system it's going to depend on what kind of people use it overall, so maybe it'll be fine. What do you all think? @determinism said it was looking good, but what do you think it'll become as/if it grows?
Isn't this pretty much the same thing as GNU mastodon? What advantages does it have over it?
There's a section on this page regarding Mastadon.
https://getaether.net/docs/how_is_it_different_from/
The gist is that Mastadon is federated, Aether is distributed. On Mastadon, content is stored on servers - there can be several servers, anyone can start one, they can talk to each other, but generally there are far more users than servers. Using Aether, all content is distributed to all of the nodes that know about each other, there is only one "bootstrap" node that the developer hosts to kick off new users.
It's quite different architecture.
Aether is distributed - everyone has the full database and no one owns the network or parts of it.
Think Bitcoin (minus the currency aspect).
Mastodon and the others use a common protocol which allows servers to talk to each other.
Think Email.
Edit : I didn't see that @determinism had answered already. Note to self, refresh the page before commenting.
It doesn't look anything like an open source discord though, since there are no closed groups and everything is sorted by threads and not by channels...