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Court blocks Trump’s WeChat ban from taking effect today

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    skybrian
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    I'm wondering how principled network security between two large nations that distrust each other would even work? Let's say the US and Soviet Union on an alternate timeline. It seems like they...

    I'm wondering how principled network security between two large nations that distrust each other would even work? Let's say the US and Soviet Union on an alternate timeline.
    It seems like they would have separate industries for building hardware and wouldn't allow code to be shipped across the border without a security review.

    Perhaps mobile apps used on both sides of the border would have to be open source and compiled separately by each side? There would be separate app stores.

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      moocow1452
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      Mutually Assured Disclosure. Each nation gets their economy so entangled in one another's that it is in both nation's interests to leave the other alone. Whatever data would leak couldn't really...

      I'm wondering how principled network security between two large nations that distrust each other would even work?

      Mutually Assured Disclosure. Each nation gets their economy so entangled in one another's that it is in both nation's interests to leave the other alone. Whatever data would leak couldn't really be weaponized without the other nation saying they're making it up, and disclosing their nasty business.

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        skybrian
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        It seems like it would be pretty easy to leak secrets in a deniable way, so that doesn't seem very stable?

        It seems like it would be pretty easy to leak secrets in a deniable way, so that doesn't seem very stable?

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        1. moocow1452
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          It's an awful good thing there's a lot of bullshit that gets mixed up with the truth, so no one is sure what is actually going on, and the populace can't really do anything other than vote for...

          It's an awful good thing there's a lot of bullshit that gets mixed up with the truth, so no one is sure what is actually going on, and the populace can't really do anything other than vote for approved choices between their pride and their fiscal interests.

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      ThatFanficGuy
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      Anecdotal evidence to support as much: I wasn't able to even access NSA's Ghidra tool on its dedicated website before it was published freely on GitHub (but after it was announced to will have...

      and wouldn't allow code to be shipped across the border without a security review.

      Anecdotal evidence to support as much:

      I wasn't able to even access NSA's Ghidra tool on its dedicated website before it was published freely on GitHub (but after it was announced to will have been published) via my Russia-based IP.

      Even a free browser-extension VPN let me right through. It's the fact that it was the "Russian IP" thing that barred me from access in the first place that points to the fact of how this is how things work even today.

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      1. skybrian
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        The US still has export controls but it seems like it’s mostly security theater. I was wondering how it would work if security were taken seriously.

        The US still has export controls but it seems like it’s mostly security theater. I was wondering how it would work if security were taken seriously.

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  2. moocow1452
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    Also relevant in mobile software of Chinese origin that was banned at the executive level and left to wither until extenuating circumstances came together at the last minute to provide a stay of...

    Also relevant in mobile software of Chinese origin that was banned at the executive level and left to wither until extenuating circumstances came together at the last minute to provide a stay of continued operation;

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/20/914032065/tiktok-ban-averted-trump-gives-oracle-walmart-deal-his-blessing

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