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Farewell, macOS (Running a modern OS on an older Macbook)

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  1. bbvnvlt
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    I recently installed Ubuntu on my home 2012 MacBook Pro as an experiment. Before, I used to run Windows. I love the hardware, but MacOS not so much. Everything runs super smooth. I was super...

    I recently installed Ubuntu on my home 2012 MacBook Pro as an experiment. Before, I used to run Windows. I love the hardware, but MacOS not so much.

    Everything runs super smooth. I was super surprised to what extent Ubuntu just works. Very happy with the switch.

    5 votes
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    tindall
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    This is pretty interesting to me, because it's a similar path to what my partner (a teacher) and a friend of mine (an actress) have taken, rather than getting newer, more expensive computers. I...

    While I tried different laptops, I never really got the same feeling of attachment that I have to my model 2015 MacBook Pro. It turns out, I like and respect older Apple hardware. There are tons of it out there, still in perfect working condition, waiting to be repurposed and made usable again.

    Running Linux on a Mac? Does that even work?

    It does better than I and probably many of you would have expected. Both visually and under the hood, I am getting more out of the hardware than Catalina (ugh), or possibly, Big Sur would have managed to squeeze.


    This is pretty interesting to me, because it's a similar path to what my partner (a teacher) and a friend of mine (an actress) have taken, rather than getting newer, more expensive computers. I installed the systems for them, but I don't really do maintenance for them unless they want some kind of hardware upgrade.

    This is a situation in which I actually expect technical people to have a harder time using Linux; some expectations you might have of a Linux system don't apply, because of the way Apple hardware is designed (although Wayland does help a lot with this.) I'm interested to see how Preslav likes his setup going forward.

    3 votes
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      pseudolobster
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      I'm curious what you mean by this. Is it just the homogeneity and ubiquity of MacBook models? Because in the Linux world you might say the same about ThinkPads. I'm my experience a lot of laptops...

      some expectations you might have of a Linux system don't apply, because of the way Apple hardware is designed

      I'm curious what you mean by this. Is it just the homogeneity and ubiquity of MacBook models? Because in the Linux world you might say the same about ThinkPads.

      I'm my experience a lot of laptops work better on Linux (especially Ubuntu and its derivatives) than you might expect. As a technical user this still makes my life easier than harder, since I am not a masochist. Fewer problems is still fewer problems.

      1 vote
      1. tindall
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        Quite the opposite, actually. Each MacBook has slightly different handling of switches (lid switch, especially), power connect/disconnect states, battery reporting, etc. Most distros abstract over...

        Is it just the homogeneity and ubiquity of MacBook models? Because in the Linux world you might say the same about ThinkPads.

        Quite the opposite, actually. Each MacBook has slightly different handling of switches (lid switch, especially), power connect/disconnect states, battery reporting, etc. Most distros abstract over this very well, so a non-technical user won't notice, but if you write your own scripts for things like "lock on lid close and blur", or use a window manager without an integrated desktop environment, it can get very fiddly.

        4 votes
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      petrichor
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      Do you have a stable experience with Wayland? I have it installed on my laptop, and occasionally switch to a Sway session just to see how it's faring up, but it's been nothing but buggy for me....

      Do you have a stable experience with Wayland? I have it installed on my laptop, and occasionally switch to a Sway session just to see how it's faring up, but it's been nothing but buggy for me. Although it does seem slightly smoother (really, tearing on X has never occured), my mouse just inconsistently freezes or stops working on reboots.

      1. tindall
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        Yeah, I use it under GNOME on my desktop and it's great. But remember, Wayland is just a protocol; the bugginess is probably coming from sway.

        Yeah, I use it under GNOME on my desktop and it's great. But remember, Wayland is just a protocol; the bugginess is probably coming from sway.

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    tempestoftruth
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    Super topical for me! Next year, my Mac will be going obsolete, according to Apple's definition of that, which (if I'm not mistaken) means it will no longer receive software updates or hardware...

    Super topical for me! Next year, my Mac will be going obsolete, according to Apple's definition of that, which (if I'm not mistaken) means it will no longer receive software updates or hardware support. I had been thinking about how to maintain it, since the laptop just recently had its hard drive replaced and is chugging along just fine, but was wary of attempting to install Linux because I had heard it was quite difficult. This was a reassuring post to read and hopefully it will be of some use when I attempt to install Linux in the next few months.

    2 votes
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      tindall
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      If you like the macOS of old, I'd suggest checking out Elementary OS - it's got the same core as Ubuntu, but with a custom user interface that mimics Mac OS and a great ecosystem of free and...

      If you like the macOS of old, I'd suggest checking out Elementary OS - it's got the same core as Ubuntu, but with a custom user interface that mimics Mac OS and a great ecosystem of free and pay-what-you-want open source desktop applications.

      5 votes
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        ohyran
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        If I don't say "Use KDE Plasma!" at this point I am legally obliged by the KDE eV to pour hot coffee in my lap so: "Use KDE Plasma!" :) EDIT: also you have things like these for Plasma...

        If I don't say "Use KDE Plasma!" at this point I am legally obliged by the KDE eV to pour hot coffee in my lap so: "Use KDE Plasma!" :)

        EDIT: also you have things like these for Plasma https://store.kde.org/p/1406038/

        4 votes
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          tindall
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          I am so excited for KDE on Wayland, I can't even tell you... I've been in GNOME-land for a long time due to some peripherals that don't work on X and I'm just yearning for a working touchpad in...

          I am so excited for KDE on Wayland, I can't even tell you... I've been in GNOME-land for a long time due to some peripherals that don't work on X and I'm just yearning for a working touchpad in that gorgeous Plasma desktop.

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          1. ohyran
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            Yeah its still a way to go. Wayland is a bit of a moving target so things are hard AF but sloooowly things are moving forward

            Yeah its still a way to go. Wayland is a bit of a moving target so things are hard AF but sloooowly things are moving forward

            1 vote
      2. suspended
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        That looks like a very promising option. I quickly skimmed through their website and I like what I see. The 'pay what you want' model is excellent. When I replace my iMac desktop with a newest...

        Elementary OS

        That looks like a very promising option. I quickly skimmed through their website and I like what I see. The 'pay what you want' model is excellent.

        When I replace my iMac desktop with a newest model a few years from now, I'm going to hang on to the old model and try Element OS to hand over to my kids.

        3 votes
      3. tempestoftruth
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        Seems like it's up my alley, thanks for the rec!

        Seems like it's up my alley, thanks for the rec!

        1 vote
      4. bilbodwyer
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        I use Elementary OS as my daily driver on my desktop. It's a great OS, and the fact that they are actively pushing to build a platform where developers can actually earn money for their apps is a...

        checking out Elementary OS

        I use Elementary OS as my daily driver on my desktop. It's a great OS, and the fact that they are actively pushing to build a platform where developers can actually earn money for their apps is a plus in my book. The pay what you feel model is really good, as you can "try before you buy" with any app.

        1 vote
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      babypuncher
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      What model of Mac is it? If it's just not getting next year's version of macOS, your current version will still receive security patches for quite a while.

      What model of Mac is it? If it's just not getting next year's version of macOS, your current version will still receive security patches for quite a while.

      1. tempestoftruth
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        It's a mid-2012 MacBook Pro, you have a point that I'll likely keep getting security updates though I do have other reasons to want to switch to Linux.

        It's a mid-2012 MacBook Pro, you have a point that I'll likely keep getting security updates though I do have other reasons to want to switch to Linux.

  4. aditya
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    I've been using Linux on my early 2015 MacBook Pro from some time in 2016. I used refind to get my dual boot going. It's actually been very pleasant, I only had a minor issue getting the camera...

    I've been using Linux on my early 2015 MacBook Pro from some time in 2016. I used refind to get my dual boot going. It's actually been very pleasant, I only had a minor issue getting the camera recognized but even that works ok now.

    1 vote