Hmm, maybe I am still misunderstand the concept. As a guest a could see the threads, but as soon as I signed up, I can’t see anything. No matter if I’m in locked mode or not. What am I doing wrong?
Hmm, maybe I am still misunderstand the concept. As a guest a could see the threads, but as soon as I signed up, I can’t see anything. No matter if I’m in locked mode or not.
Peachesnstink is an interesting tildes/reddit-esqe website. It has a very old school yet pleasant design and feel and also has a small little community. What are your thoughts?
Peachesnstink is an interesting tildes/reddit-esqe website. It has a very old school yet pleasant design and feel and also has a small little community.
Shouting into the void about how 11 years ago you were better than a bad developer Extreme confidence that everyone must be an idiot and React can't possibly have redeeming qualities Edit: Maybe...
I'm sure many other people wouldn't have been triggered reading the posts, so my pointing them out feels unnecessary. Mis-use of pride is a personal failing I have to fight, so reading someone else's prideful ramblings is like looking in a mirror and seeing a version of myself I'd rather not be reminded of. I'm not interested in turning this into a big argument on Tildes so I'm not engaging with anyone else here.
While calling that individual post toxic does feel strong, posts like that do contribute to building the kind of cynical, condescension-filled culture that makes so much of the internet unpleasant...
While calling that individual post toxic does feel strong, posts like that do contribute to building the kind of cynical, condescension-filled culture that makes so much of the internet unpleasant to participate in. This is a good article that affected my view towards that type of post (in all types of communities, not only programming): Contempt Culture
I hate to dig my own grave, but I'm not sure I fully agree with that article. While I agree that internalizing superiority from using a "better" language is bad, on some level there can actually...
I hate to dig my own grave, but I'm not sure I fully agree with that article. While I agree that internalizing superiority from using a "better" language is bad, on some level there can actually be better tools for a job, and you can legitimately be a better developer for recognizing that. I get that this is basically (edit: perhaps) unrelated to a toxic culture that demeans people, just wanted to make a note.
Edit: there was recently an article here battling long held misconceptions of ISAs' performance impact. People have long been trying to benchmark languages against each other, such as lisp vs compiled lisp vs c vs forth vs compiled forth vs js vs rust etc. To my knowledge, languages still have fundamental differences in performance characteristics. Embedded development is dominated by C for reasons other than performance. But certain languages clearly cannot compete in that niche. Just natural evolution and specialization in my mind.
Of course, but the point is the tone you use when having those discussions, and recognizing when it's an appropriate time and place for them. If someone posts about a PHP issue on a general...
Of course, but the point is the tone you use when having those discussions, and recognizing when it's an appropriate time and place for them. If someone posts about a PHP issue on a general programming forum, you can practically guarantee that commenters will rush into it to post things like "lol your problem is using a garbage language like PHP", and those posts will often end up being the most upvoted by other people that also only came to the post because they knew it was an easy opportunity to be condescending.
It happens constantly everywhere, for all sorts of topics. Practically every topic on Tildes about Apple products ends up with multiple people only participating to say some variant of "I don't understand why anyone uses Apple products, they're overpriced and suck". Marvel movie trailers get "these movies suck, why does anyone even watch them?" I just tuned into a live stream of game announcements on YouTube that I was excited for, and the majority of the chat is people saying they don't care about what's being shown, or saying everything looks like crap.
Even if any individual comment seems reasonable in isolation, it all contributes to making the overall environment more hostile and cynical, and discouraging people from posting unless they want to field multiple arguments about the basic premise of their post.
Alright, I understand that it feels like there is (or there genuinely is) too much negativity in the world and on the internet in particular. Right now, I am being very contrarian, which presents...
Alright, I understand that it feels like there is (or there genuinely is) too much negativity in the world and on the internet in particular. Right now, I am being very contrarian, which presents a very similar front and doesn't feel much better, if at all.
It's shitty if someone can't post because they'll have to fend off attacks/arguments, especially those that constantly get rehashed. But it's also shitty to say, you can't say these things because the internet has reached it's quota, and any more makes the overall environment too hostile and cynical, and this becomes too difficult to discuss.
So let's see if people here on Tildes are so negative that they would participate only to dump on Apple products and the people who use them, as you have suggested.
Top post tagged "apple" by comments:
~50% proclaiming the removal of ports stupid, because user: uses/wants ports, thinks Apple's wireless charging is proprietary, thinks it will generate more waste than regular charging/ports, and/or thinks wireless communications are a poor substitution for a cable/port.
Most of these proclaimed it stupid. The expense of iphones was mentioned, but mostly the cost of wireless accessories. I didn't see anyone say they didn't know why anyone uses apple products, beyond that they believe walled gardens suck unequivocally (which might imply they don't understand why anyone would use apple products).
~50% of the comments: think removing the normal port isn't as bad as removing the audio jack, believe wireless communications/data transfer is roughly on par or will continue to advance and surpass traditional wires/ports, think it could be more green or at least isn't environmentally unfriendly, and/or believe that this is progress in general and inevitable.
Pretty much everyone figured that the whole industry would follow in Apple's footsteps.
That was an extremely controversial topic (especially on a tech-savy forum), that impacts most of us here in our day to day lives (even if it is just a port). And despite that, I don't feel that multiple people were contributing "only to say some variant of 'I don't understand why anyone uses Apple products, they're overpriced and suck'". They were commenting because they feared it would change the way they use phones in the future, whether or not they liked it.
There is a difference between dumping on something/someone because it's easy and makes you feel better/superior, etc, and dumping on something because you have criticisms. Never seen a reason for dumping on someone, though.
That doesn't seem to be the case here on Tildes, probably in no small part due to your own efforts, but if you feel you encounter this negativity at every turn, maybe you would benefit from a break?
Edit: one issue is that I only looked at one thread, but I chose most comments in the hopes of getting the most unique commenters. "All Activity" clearly skews heavily to recent threads. But perhaps "total votes" would have been more representative of unique users engaging with the thread, rather than the same users making a bunch of comments. Is it a good idea to show total number of unique commenters on a thread? Versus blanket total number of comments?
Alright, I'd like to apologize for coming across as overly argumentative, and making this a conversation you'd prefer not to be a part of. I am sorry. I'd also like you to know that even if this...
Alright, I'd like to apologize for coming across as overly argumentative, and making this a conversation you'd prefer not to be a part of. I am sorry. I'd also like you to know that even if this thread becomes a big argument, you aren't necessarily wrong and sharing your opinion here can change other peoples. So maybe this thread will culminate in a more critical look at similar posts by the participants. :)
First one: this isn't toxic, even if it seems to serve no point. Second one: I see your point. Drama over frameworks is nothing new in webdev, and it can be toxic. The author seems to genuinely...
First one: this isn't toxic, even if it seems to serve no point.
Second one: I see your point. Drama over frameworks is nothing new in webdev, and it can be toxic. The author seems to genuinely feel that there are no redeeming qualities to 90% of the uses. Although it is a strong opinion, is it really toxic? I feel similarly, if I tell someone does that make me toxic? Obviously I have a bias here, asking you honestly.
I'll just jot some thoughts here. If anyone finds that interesting. Thinking about it, probably is a bit toxic. People will tend to use what works for them, and lumping it all into "stupid misuse"...
I'll just jot some thoughts here. If anyone finds that interesting.
Thinking about it, probably is a bit toxic. People will tend to use what works for them, and lumping it all into "stupid misuse" isn't a good approach. It is a knee jerk reaction to an overabundance of frameworks when I just want a library. Some of it stems from frustration, but an analysis of frameworks vs libraries was probably enough.
Hmm, maybe I am still misunderstand the concept. As a guest a could see the threads, but as soon as I signed up, I can’t see anything. No matter if I’m in locked mode or not.
What am I doing wrong?
Okay, right after posting I found out: I have to push the plus button of each thread to discover its title.
Peachesnstink is an interesting tildes/reddit-esqe website. It has a very old school yet pleasant design and feel and also has a small little community.
What are your thoughts?
Honestly the poster going by stink looks kinda toxic. And they make a lot of the posts.
Really? I looked through and nothing stood out to me. Can you provide some examples?
Shouting into the void about how 11 years ago you were better than a bad developer
Extreme confidence that everyone must be an idiot and React can't possibly have redeeming qualities
Edit:
Maybe "immature" is a better word than toxic.
Edit 2:
I'm sure many other people wouldn't have been triggered reading the posts, so my pointing them out feels unnecessary. Mis-use of pride is a personal failing I have to fight, so reading someone else's prideful ramblings is like looking in a mirror and seeing a version of myself I'd rather not be reminded of. I'm not interested in turning this into a big argument on Tildes so I'm not engaging with anyone else here.
While calling that individual post toxic does feel strong, posts like that do contribute to building the kind of cynical, condescension-filled culture that makes so much of the internet unpleasant to participate in. This is a good article that affected my view towards that type of post (in all types of communities, not only programming): Contempt Culture
(mention for @FlippantGod as well)
I hate to dig my own grave, but I'm not sure I fully agree with that article. While I agree that internalizing superiority from using a "better" language is bad, on some level there can actually be better tools for a job, and you can legitimately be a better developer for recognizing that. I get that this is
basically(edit: perhaps) unrelated to a toxic culture that demeans people, just wanted to make a note.Edit: there was recently an article here battling long held misconceptions of ISAs' performance impact. People have long been trying to benchmark languages against each other, such as lisp vs compiled lisp vs c vs forth vs compiled forth vs js vs rust etc. To my knowledge, languages still have fundamental differences in performance characteristics. Embedded development is dominated by C for reasons other than performance. But certain languages clearly cannot compete in that niche. Just natural evolution and specialization in my mind.
Of course, but the point is the tone you use when having those discussions, and recognizing when it's an appropriate time and place for them. If someone posts about a PHP issue on a general programming forum, you can practically guarantee that commenters will rush into it to post things like "lol your problem is using a garbage language like PHP", and those posts will often end up being the most upvoted by other people that also only came to the post because they knew it was an easy opportunity to be condescending.
It happens constantly everywhere, for all sorts of topics. Practically every topic on Tildes about Apple products ends up with multiple people only participating to say some variant of "I don't understand why anyone uses Apple products, they're overpriced and suck". Marvel movie trailers get "these movies suck, why does anyone even watch them?" I just tuned into a live stream of game announcements on YouTube that I was excited for, and the majority of the chat is people saying they don't care about what's being shown, or saying everything looks like crap.
Even if any individual comment seems reasonable in isolation, it all contributes to making the overall environment more hostile and cynical, and discouraging people from posting unless they want to field multiple arguments about the basic premise of their post.
Alright, I understand that it feels like there is (or there genuinely is) too much negativity in the world and on the internet in particular. Right now, I am being very contrarian, which presents a very similar front and doesn't feel much better, if at all.
It's shitty if someone can't post because they'll have to fend off attacks/arguments, especially those that constantly get rehashed. But it's also shitty to say, you can't say these things because the internet has reached it's quota, and any more makes the overall environment too hostile and cynical, and this becomes too difficult to discuss.
So let's see if people here on Tildes are so negative that they would participate only to dump on Apple products and the people who use them, as you have suggested.
Top post tagged "apple" by comments:
~50% proclaiming the removal of ports stupid, because user: uses/wants ports, thinks Apple's wireless charging is proprietary, thinks it will generate more waste than regular charging/ports, and/or thinks wireless communications are a poor substitution for a cable/port.
Most of these proclaimed it stupid. The expense of iphones was mentioned, but mostly the cost of wireless accessories. I didn't see anyone say they didn't know why anyone uses apple products, beyond that they believe walled gardens suck unequivocally (which might imply they don't understand why anyone would use apple products).
~50% of the comments: think removing the normal port isn't as bad as removing the audio jack, believe wireless communications/data transfer is roughly on par or will continue to advance and surpass traditional wires/ports, think it could be more green or at least isn't environmentally unfriendly, and/or believe that this is progress in general and inevitable.
Pretty much everyone figured that the whole industry would follow in Apple's footsteps.
That was an extremely controversial topic (especially on a tech-savy forum), that impacts most of us here in our day to day lives (even if it is just a port). And despite that, I don't feel that multiple people were contributing "only to say some variant of 'I don't understand why anyone uses Apple products, they're overpriced and suck'". They were commenting because they feared it would change the way they use phones in the future, whether or not they liked it.
There is a difference between dumping on something/someone because it's easy and makes you feel better/superior, etc, and dumping on something because you have criticisms. Never seen a reason for dumping on someone, though.
That doesn't seem to be the case here on Tildes, probably in no small part due to your own efforts, but if you feel you encounter this negativity at every turn, maybe you would benefit from a break?
Edit: one issue is that I only looked at one thread, but I chose most comments in the hopes of getting the most unique commenters. "All Activity" clearly skews heavily to recent threads. But perhaps "total votes" would have been more representative of unique users engaging with the thread, rather than the same users making a bunch of comments. Is it a good idea to show total number of unique commenters on a thread? Versus blanket total number of comments?
Alright, I'd like to apologize for coming across as overly argumentative, and making this a conversation you'd prefer not to be a part of. I am sorry. I'd also like you to know that even if this thread becomes a big argument, you aren't necessarily wrong and sharing your opinion here can change other peoples. So maybe this thread will culminate in a more critical look at similar posts by the participants. :)
First one: this isn't toxic, even if it seems to serve no point.
Second one: I see your point. Drama over frameworks is nothing new in webdev, and it can be toxic. The author seems to genuinely feel that there are no redeeming qualities to 90% of the uses. Although it is a strong opinion, is it really toxic? I feel similarly, if I tell someone does that make me toxic? Obviously I have a bias here, asking you honestly.
I'll just jot some thoughts here. If anyone finds that interesting.
Thinking about it, probably is a bit toxic. People will tend to use what works for them, and lumping it all into "stupid misuse" isn't a good approach. It is a knee jerk reaction to an overabundance of frameworks when I just want a library. Some of it stems from frustration, but an analysis of frameworks vs libraries was probably enough.
Stink is the developer of the site and he sometimes kind of users it as a blogging platform.