I strongly disagree with this, it sounds like selling off accounts, and nobody who makes that purchase could be making an informed decision (since they don't know what Tildes is like). I think it...
I strongly disagree with this, it sounds like selling off accounts, and nobody who makes that purchase could be making an informed decision (since they don't know what Tildes is like). I think it would heavily decrease the quality of content, as well as kill enthusiasm by suggesting we only want people who will pay.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tildes/comments/8m40m6/donationalpha/dzku4oc/ And my personal opinion on the matter too: https://tildes.net/~tildes/264/would_you_pay_for_access_to_tildes#comment-n9r
Deimorz
Giving precedence to donators is a really tempting thing to do (and I did consider it), but I think it's just not the right approach. There are a few good reasons not to, but one of the main ones is that I think it would be likely to cause a bit of strife between users. For example, I'm sure we'd still be inviting others that didn't donate, but then there's a bit of a feeling of "why did that guy get in without paying, but I had to pay?"
Don't worry too much about not being able to get an invite yet, there will be lots more coming. We've only really been going for a week and just don't want to go too fast.
The problem I have always had with mandatory payment up front to register or mandatory subscription models is that what is affordable for “college student on a budget” in Europe or NA isn’t necessarily affordable for people elsewhere in the world, especially the developing world. And not everyone has a credit card or access to an International payment option either.
I would be vehemently against either for that very reason. IMO ~ should see if donations and other acceptable alternatives (e.g. opt-in crypto mining, fundraisers for features, cosmetic rewards, etc) are sufficient before it takes any drastically restrictive steps.
Yeah, I think if the site was free to view publicly it might not be such a huge deal to give some precedence to donors while still taking in free invite requests as well. But I am still wary of it...
Yeah, I think if the site was free to view publicly it might not be such a huge deal to give some precedence to donors while still taking in free invite requests as well. But I am still wary of it merely because of the optics. It doesn't look particularly good and there would likely still be some resentment from users having to wait while others skip ahead of the queue just because they have money.
I don't know about entirely publicly viewable yet because of potential privacy considerations while there are so few active users (e.g. it's easy enough to take tildes.net/user/username and...
I don't know about entirely publicly viewable yet because of potential privacy considerations while there are so few active users (e.g. it's easy enough to take tildes.net/user/username and replace it with reddit.com/user/username to see if the person has an account on both sites). However I certainly think ~tildes.official and/or ~tildes should be for sure (maybe with usernames anonymized for now?). @deimos has a lot on his plate right now though so I don't think it's realistic to expect that any time soon though.
About crypto mining, I saw a couple of website implementing a js mining script to accept donation. Could it be a viable idea? Basically have a setting to opt-in and while you're on tildes a script...
About crypto mining, I saw a couple of website implementing a js mining script to accept donation.
Could it be a viable idea? Basically have a setting to opt-in and while you're on tildes a script run and mine for tildes.
You can even have the user set up how many thread use of someone want to micromanage it.
It would be quite a straight way of saying "you pay us the costs of you using it".
I was originally pretty wary of even 100% opt-in cryptomining on the site (which is the only way it would ever be set up here)... but after some conversations with @deimos regarding it, he has...
I was originally pretty wary of even 100% opt-in cryptomining on the site (which is the only way it would ever be set up here)... but after some conversations with @deimos regarding it, he has convinced me it is potentially viable and can be done safely, securely and without risking user privacy through use of locally hosted scripts with no need for the users' browsers to contact any third party sites. So yeah, I think it is certainly a possibility based on what he has said about it.
And it's definitely a neat idea (that sure as hell beats advertising)... I wouldn't mind the option to let my CPU run a few extra cycles while browsing the site if it means the site is more likely to remain running and @deimos can spend more time (hopefully full-time) working on the site.
You would have to ask @deimos about that as I am not very familiar with cryptomining or cryptocurrencies in general... but if it was ever being seriously considered for implementation on ~ I can...
You would have to ask @deimos about that as I am not very familiar with cryptomining or cryptocurrencies in general... but if it was ever being seriously considered for implementation on ~ I can pretty much guarantee feedback would be solicited first so users could voice their recommendations, suggestions and concerns before any decisions were made.
I was just thinking about them doing that. To my knowledge, Metafilter is pretty much irrelevant today. Take that as you will, but in my opinion, maybe charging money for posting privileges isn't...
I was just thinking about them doing that. To my knowledge, Metafilter is pretty much irrelevant today. Take that as you will, but in my opinion, maybe charging money for posting privileges isn't the greatest idea.
How can you prove that Metafilter being "troll free" (I'm not sure any service that takes user input as its base can ever really claim that, but anyhow) is solely because of charging money for...
Charging for money and good moderation made it troll-free.
How can you prove that Metafilter being "troll free" (I'm not sure any service that takes user input as its base can ever really claim that, but anyhow) is solely because of charging money for posting privileges or solely because of "good moderation"? Maybe it just because they charge? Maybe it's just because of good moderation because of their size?
I can't prove anything, but the evidence is there. It may not be the sole reason, but it is one of the reasons. Metafilter has good moderation because the moderators are paid for their work,...
I can't prove anything, but the evidence is there. It may not be the sole reason, but it is one of the reasons. Metafilter has good moderation because the moderators are paid for their work, which, among other stuff, is made possible by the registration fee.
Unless you can prove it, this isn't even a discussion, it's just your un-sourced opinion. Fine for them, but I won't ever be paying for mods on any platform. Also, I block ads through multiple...
I can't prove anything
Unless you can prove it, this isn't even a discussion, it's just your un-sourced opinion.
the moderators are paid for their work
Fine for them, but I won't ever be paying for mods on any platform. Also, I block ads through multiple levels. I know, I'm just a freeloading consumer, but oh well.
Please don't post comments like this. I recognize that your discussion wasn't going productively, but comments like this will only ever make things worse, not better. It's better to just stop...
Please don't post comments like this. I recognize that your discussion wasn't going productively, but comments like this will only ever make things worse, not better. It's better to just stop replying.
I strongly disagree with this, it sounds like selling off accounts, and nobody who makes that purchase could be making an informed decision (since they don't know what Tildes is like). I think it would heavily decrease the quality of content, as well as kill enthusiasm by suggesting we only want people who will pay.
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for an account today.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tildes/comments/8m40m6/donationalpha/dzku4oc/
And my personal opinion on the matter too:
https://tildes.net/~tildes/264/would_you_pay_for_access_to_tildes#comment-n9r
Yeah, I think if the site was free to view publicly it might not be such a huge deal to give some precedence to donors while still taking in free invite requests as well. But I am still wary of it merely because of the optics. It doesn't look particularly good and there would likely still be some resentment from users having to wait while others skip ahead of the queue just because they have money.
I don't know about entirely publicly viewable yet because of potential privacy considerations while there are so few active users (e.g. it's easy enough to take tildes.net/user/username and replace it with reddit.com/user/username to see if the person has an account on both sites). However I certainly think ~tildes.official and/or ~tildes should be for sure (maybe with usernames anonymized for now?). @deimos has a lot on his plate right now though so I don't think it's realistic to expect that any time soon though.
About crypto mining, I saw a couple of website implementing a js mining script to accept donation.
Could it be a viable idea? Basically have a setting to opt-in and while you're on tildes a script run and mine for tildes.
You can even have the user set up how many thread use of someone want to micromanage it.
It would be quite a straight way of saying "you pay us the costs of you using it".
I was originally pretty wary of even 100% opt-in cryptomining on the site (which is the only way it would ever be set up here)... but after some conversations with @deimos regarding it, he has convinced me it is potentially viable and can be done safely, securely and without risking user privacy through use of locally hosted scripts with no need for the users' browsers to contact any third party sites. So yeah, I think it is certainly a possibility based on what he has said about it.
And it's definitely a neat idea (that sure as hell beats advertising)... I wouldn't mind the option to let my CPU run a few extra cycles while browsing the site if it means the site is more likely to remain running and @deimos can spend more time (hopefully full-time) working on the site.
I really like the Crypto idea. The blockchain is the future of currency and privacy/security.
I’m curious, what are you going to use? Coin hive?
You would have to ask @deimos about that as I am not very familiar with cryptomining or cryptocurrencies in general... but if it was ever being seriously considered for implementation on ~ I can pretty much guarantee feedback would be solicited first so users could voice their recommendations, suggestions and concerns before any decisions were made.
You mean like how Metafilter does?
I was just thinking about them doing that. To my knowledge, Metafilter is pretty much irrelevant today. Take that as you will, but in my opinion, maybe charging money for posting privileges isn't the greatest idea.
It may be "irrelevant", but it has a nice community. Charging for money and good moderation made it troll-free.
How can you prove that Metafilter being "troll free" (I'm not sure any service that takes user input as its base can ever really claim that, but anyhow) is solely because of charging money for posting privileges or solely because of "good moderation"? Maybe it just because they charge? Maybe it's just because of good moderation because of their size?
I can't prove anything, but the evidence is there. It may not be the sole reason, but it is one of the reasons. Metafilter has good moderation because the moderators are paid for their work, which, among other stuff, is made possible by the registration fee.
Unless you can prove it, this isn't even a discussion, it's just your un-sourced opinion.
Fine for them, but I won't ever be paying for mods on any platform. Also, I block ads through multiple levels. I know, I'm just a freeloading consumer, but oh well.
Wow, get over yourself.
Please don't post comments like this. I recognize that your discussion wasn't going productively, but comments like this will only ever make things worse, not better. It's better to just stop replying.