New York is getting some new rolling stock — "R211" cars. Two trains have already been deployed, with at least two more coming every month starting in August. Manufacturer Kawasaki is over a year...
New York is getting some new rolling stock — "R211" cars. Two trains have already been deployed, with at least two more coming every month starting in August. Manufacturer Kawasaki is over a year behind schedule, but the actual traincar is apparently very well-suited to the needs of the MTA and its riders.
In addition to a new train smell, the R211 cars feature wider doors, new digital displays — as well as features riders might not see, like security cameras and electronic signal equipment that helps speed up subway service.
The cars are most easily identifiable by their unique floors, which look like a blue and yellow composition book. The new trains also have some seats that flip up or down.
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Crichlow said the MTA hopes to roll out an “open gangway” train — one without doors between its cars — by the end of the year.
The MTA has since 2018 ordered 1,175 of the R211 cars to run on the subway and Staten Island Railway at a cost of $3.2 billion — or about $2.7 million per car.
I get the 1984/policing anxiety, and I'm not an expert on surveillance or criminal matters, but I am a near-constant user of public transit systems, and practically speaking this is useful. Do you...
I get the 1984/policing anxiety, and I'm not an expert on surveillance or criminal matters, but I am a near-constant user of public transit systems, and practically speaking this is useful.
Do you often take public transit? Have you often taken public transit in a city where the subways are considered actively dangerous? (i.e. - not New York in 2023) Or a city where they're not statistically dangerous, but have that perception among the public?
Cameras in subway cars/stations do deter violent crime (Alexandrie 2017, Priks 2015) and generally unruly behavior. To a large extent the effect is psychological: people don't commit assaults, thefts, or other crimes when they know (or believe) they're being observed by someone who will hold them accountable. This is the same reason having "eyes on the street" (beat cops, etc.) can make neighborhoods safer. In other words, this is a way to prevent crimes from happening at all, not just identify suspects.
And subway cameras also improve public perceptions of public transport, which is more important in most municipalities in the US. At the end of the day, we need to get cars off the road to make the city more livable, efficient, and sustainable, and that requires citizens to have trust that their metro is safe for them to ride on, whether they're a 6'4'' viking or a 4'10'' single woman. If they don't believe it's safe, they won't take it - and our cities will become less pedestrian-friendly, more gridlocked, and more polluting.
Factually, yes, there are far more benefits to cameras than downsides, and it is beneficial to perception and safety. It is just my weird hate for any police surveillance stuff. I take public...
Factually, yes, there are far more benefits to cameras than downsides, and it is beneficial to perception and safety. It is just my weird hate for any police surveillance stuff.
I take public transport fairly frequently in Glasgow and honestly more cameras etc. just puts me off the service.
It looks like they have ordered more than a thousand cars, so eventually they'll be all over the system on the lettered lines (B division). But I can't find any specific info on how the initial...
It looks like they have ordered more than a thousand cars, so eventually they'll be all over the system on the lettered lines (B division). But I can't find any specific info on how the initial rollout will proceed.
New York is getting some new rolling stock — "R211" cars. Two trains have already been deployed, with at least two more coming every month starting in August. Manufacturer Kawasaki is over a year behind schedule, but the actual traincar is apparently very well-suited to the needs of the MTA and its riders.
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Just what everyone needed, more surveillance.
I get the 1984/policing anxiety, and I'm not an expert on surveillance or criminal matters, but I am a near-constant user of public transit systems, and practically speaking this is useful.
Do you often take public transit? Have you often taken public transit in a city where the subways are considered actively dangerous? (i.e. - not New York in 2023) Or a city where they're not statistically dangerous, but have that perception among the public?
Cameras in subway cars/stations do deter violent crime (Alexandrie 2017, Priks 2015) and generally unruly behavior. To a large extent the effect is psychological: people don't commit assaults, thefts, or other crimes when they know (or believe) they're being observed by someone who will hold them accountable. This is the same reason having "eyes on the street" (beat cops, etc.) can make neighborhoods safer. In other words, this is a way to prevent crimes from happening at all, not just identify suspects.
And subway cameras also improve public perceptions of public transport, which is more important in most municipalities in the US. At the end of the day, we need to get cars off the road to make the city more livable, efficient, and sustainable, and that requires citizens to have trust that their metro is safe for them to ride on, whether they're a 6'4'' viking or a 4'10'' single woman. If they don't believe it's safe, they won't take it - and our cities will become less pedestrian-friendly, more gridlocked, and more polluting.
Factually, yes, there are far more benefits to cameras than downsides, and it is beneficial to perception and safety. It is just my weird hate for any police surveillance stuff.
I take public transport fairly frequently in Glasgow and honestly more cameras etc. just puts me off the service.
On a public train? Yea
Maybe I missed this in the article but the first new train is on the A line. Where will they roll out the other new trains - also on the A line?
It looks like they have ordered more than a thousand cars, so eventually they'll be all over the system on the lettered lines (B division). But I can't find any specific info on how the initial rollout will proceed.