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      bioemerl
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      It hasn't, we're just using missiles now.

      counter-insurgency operations in the ME region have stopped

      It hasn't, we're just using missiles now.

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          bioemerl
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          That's fair, I just want to highlight the fact that we are very much there despite many people thinking we aren't in the middle east at all anymore.

          That's fair, I just want to highlight the fact that we are very much there despite many people thinking we aren't in the middle east at all anymore.

          1. Promonk
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            A good rule of thumb is, if the US has ever been in a place, it's still there. There are few notable exceptions.

            A good rule of thumb is, if the US has ever been in a place, it's still there. There are few notable exceptions.

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      skybrian
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      There's another way to look at it, though: a lot of Americans don't really know anyone in the military and don't have a good understanding of what it's like. Seeing the occasional military...

      There's another way to look at it, though: a lot of Americans don't really know anyone in the military and don't have a good understanding of what it's like. Seeing the occasional military vehicles hardly counts. There's a lot of "respect for the military" stuff that's performative and a real understanding would be better.

      I'm not in favor of further separation and more myth-making.

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          1. skybrian
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            All this stuff about “supporting the troops” is what I meant by “performative.” The people doing these things mostly don’t have any clue what it’s like, but they’re sure it’s very important. Blind...

            All this stuff about “supporting the troops” is what I meant by “performative.” The people doing these things mostly don’t have any clue what it’s like, but they’re sure it’s very important. Blind support serves as a substitute for being well-informed.

            This article is pretty old, but here’s some more reading:

            The Tragedy of the American Military (James Fallows, 2015)

            This reverent but disengaged attitude toward the military—we love the troops, but we’d rather not think about them—has become so familiar that we assume it is the American norm. But it is not. When Dwight D. Eisenhower, as a five-star general and the supreme commander, led what may have in fact been the finest fighting force in the history of the world, he did not describe it in that puffed-up way. On the eve of the D-Day invasion, he warned his troops, “Your task will not be an easy one,” because “your enemy is well-trained, well-equipped, and battle-hardened.” As president, Eisenhower’s most famous statement about the military was his warning in his farewell address of what could happen if its political influence grew unchecked.

            At the end of World War II, nearly 10 percent of the entire U.S. population was on active military duty—which meant most able-bodied men of a certain age (plus the small number of women allowed to serve). Through the decade after World War II, when so many American families had at least one member in uniform, political and journalistic references were admiring but not awestruck. Most Americans were familiar enough with the military to respect it while being sharply aware of its shortcomings, as they were with the school system, their religion, and other important and fallible institutions.

            Now the American military is exotic territory to most of the American public. As a comparison: A handful of Americans live on farms, but there are many more of them than serve in all branches of the military. (Well over 4 million people live on the country’s 2.1 million farms. The U.S. military has about 1.4 million people on active duty and another 850,000 in the reserves.) The other 310 million–plus Americans “honor” their stalwart farmers, but generally don’t know them. So too with the military. Many more young Americans will study abroad this year than will enlist in the military—nearly 300,000 students overseas, versus well under 200,000 new recruits. As a country, America has been at war nonstop for the past 13 years. As a public, it has not. A total of about 2.5 million Americans, roughly three-quarters of 1 percent, served in Iraq or Afghanistan at any point in the post-9/11 years, many of them more than once.

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    2. cavscout43
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      It's insecurity at the end of the day. Anecdotally, my friends who love hoarding guns, following "gun" themed pages on social media, bragging about all the stopping power they can concealed...

      Basically we have a strangely militarized society for a Democracy so vehicles taking on those traits isn't too surprising, What's interesting to me is the people driving them and trying to look like some kind of "special operator" usually weren't in the military or served a non-combat role - which seems to make certain types of people bitter and angry at the world for some reason.

      It's insecurity at the end of the day. Anecdotally, my friends who love hoarding guns, following "gun" themed pages on social media, bragging about all the stopping power they can concealed carry...have never served, and never will. But in the ashes of 9/11, all the faux patriotism (really jingoism), I suspect many Americans feel left out of the "support the troops" piece since so few of us actually enlisted and served (or are still serving)

      What better way to feel better about it, than to listen to corporate propaganda and buy in? You get your tacticool Oakleys, your blacked our "military grade" Jeep Wrangler (complete with thin blue line punisher skull decal!), your AR-15 buttplug, your MOLLE capable "tactical" vest for...reasons, and so on.

      Maybe toss a Multicam backpack on "because it's practical and durable" or whatever it is you tell yourself at night.

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      DiggWasCool
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      I don't know what it's like in other "military cities," but I live not too far from Virginia Beach and every time I go to the beach, my god, the jets are just insane! Every few minutes another...

      Not to mention seeing military fighter jets flying around.

      I don't know what it's like in other "military cities," but I live not too far from Virginia Beach and every time I go to the beach, my god, the jets are just insane! Every few minutes another military jet flying by. And this goes on and on all day, every day. I don't know the purpose of these jets flying back and forth, but I can't imagine how much money gets wasted on this exercise. And that's just one city with a heavy military presence. I assume that's happening in other cities with military presence.

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      1. wowbagger
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        I can't speak for other cities but the Norfolk area in particular has so many fighter jets because it's home to the basically the entire Naval fighter force on the East Coast as well as its...

        I can't speak for other cities but the Norfolk area in particular has so many fighter jets because it's home to the basically the entire Naval fighter force on the East Coast as well as its associated training program. 300 jets and their many pilots, replacement pilots, and support crew means lots and lots of training sorties to keep everyone fresh.

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      2. Toric
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        I like in the upper midwest, most of the military round here is either national gaurd training, or related to the ICBM silos upstate. Never see jets, though I do see the ocassional transport......

        I like in the upper midwest, most of the military round here is either national gaurd training, or related to the ICBM silos upstate. Never see jets, though I do see the ocassional transport...

        Virgina beach... how close to DC? Im pretty sure that since 9/11 we have jets in the air 24/7 around the capitol, might be what you are seeing.

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