Ahsoka - S01E04 Discussion
Spoilers for Ahsoka Season 1, Episodes 1-4; but also Star Wars Rebels & Clone Wars, or really any Star Wars (including Mando/Book of Boba) is fair game.
I kept the title vague but I really want to discuss the World Between Worlds.
For those unfamiliar that is where Ahsoka found herself at the end of episode 4. For those familiar (again, Rebels spoilers) it is a special Force place that can view and, in at least one instance, interact with the past. By all accounts it also has some echos of the future.
It's not technically "time travel" but it will potentially be viewed as such and have a similarly long lasting affect on the Star Wars universe.
Do you think the World Between Worlds is a good idea? What story do you want to see told? What story do you think will be told?
World Between Worlds isn’t my favorite thing, but I’m excited to see where they go from here. I’m mostly just hoping for fast travel to Ezra for Ashoka, though I’m about 5% invested in Ashoka at the moment and 95% in on Sabine’s story. I kind of hope that force ghosts are just more corporeal in the WBW and this isn’t a time travel thing.
I’ve seen random episodes of Clone Wars, but watched all of Rebels and all the new live stuff spinning out of The Mandalorian. I don’t mind Ashoka being a little more niche, but I bet that’s hurting the numbers.
Also, like u/fastpicket said, I’m jazzed for Lower Decks and already watched the first one!
Edit: Thinking more, I hope everyone from Rebels and Ashoka get stuck in the new galaxy and they start telling totally disconnected stories.
Yea, I see this series as getting certain characters out of the way before the sequel movies starts. I also think it's just force ghosts and not time travel.
Unless I'm wrong they still need a method to get Mando and crew out there and I don't see that happening.
Realistically I see this series trying to build up the WHY that is the events before The Force Awakens and the rest of the sequel trilogy. We have 30 years to play with. That's a lot of story time.
I would like to consensually kiss each one of you on the mouth for the awesome work you guys did on The Mandalorian, it was what I dreamed of as a child, and still dream about as an adult lol.
I read what you wrote originally, but I'm only getting back to it now.
Anyway, we're on different pages but I am curious to hear your thoughts on Strange New Worlds, a specific episode related to Lower Decks assuming you've seen it.
If you're not sure what I mean then I apologize, otherwise (spoilers ahead) what did you think of the cross over? I thought it was a lot of fun but I think that's only because I'm aware of both sets of characters SNW and Lower Decks. It was a corny and cheesey episode, but it was fun.
You mentioned having not seen Clone Wars and Rebels (I think) and I think you're right that Ahsoka is leaving viewers like you out. It's exactly the reason I wanted to have this discussion. As someone all in I'm excited to see where this is going. If I were on the outside I'd be completely confused and felt left out.
Also, I want to bring up Andor. I love Andor. We should (and will) get more Andor. However just because Andor exists doesn't mean Ahsoka can't also exist.
I'm also a Star Trek fan. If you haven't seen Enterprise, I get it, but it's still a fun show. It's not 90s Trek. It's no TNG. It's no DS9. It's no Voyager. Each of those is special in their own way. But also Enterprise is fun too.
Star Trek Discovery is weird. I've got some complaints but also the most recent season took us somewhere new in the Star Wars universe.
Star Trek Picard? The first season is not TNG at all and it's rough. Season 2 isn't even Star Trek (ok, it is) but it's a crazy new direction that just happens to be called Picard season 2. Then we have season 3 which is really what all of us wanted from the beginning.
I like some of these more than others, but really I just like Star Trek. I like the people. I like the characters.
That isn't to say you can't criticize. If a season or show is bad, we should call it out. It's rare that a show is perfectly all the way.
Mando 1 & 2 we're fantastic. Book of Boba was a misstep (with some fun) and Mando 3 wasted the Darksaber.
Anyway my point is, you can have fun with each of these stories. You don't have to like every one of these shows. But if you don't like a story it may be worth looking at who this story is for and seeing if they like the story. You might be missing out.
That is weird!
Whoops! We're not ready for that crossover... Yet.
I enjoy watching this show, even though each episode seems to have at least one terrible line (ep 4's was Jacen's "I've got a bad feeling" - Rogue One showed how to reference these phrases, without it sticking out like a sore thumb, and that was in 2016).
This episode was one where the bad guys had to get a win for the plot to more forward, but I still found it thrilling - some decent fights, a reveal about Marrok that would've disrupted some fan theories about his identity, and a pre-hyperspace-jump destruction of opposition ships that didn't seem as questionable as when they did it in The Last Jedi.
I've never watched Clone Wars or Rebels, so it's only when the camera lingers for a bit longer than it should on something that I realise I'm missing some background info. Maybe I'd enjoy it more if I'd seen those shows, but as it is, I maybe get the extra enjoyment from seeing Ray Stevenson as Baylon that someone who never saw Rome isn't getting.
We'll see how it goes with the introduction of some sort of time travel I guess - other franchises suggest it's something you have to be very careful with: once you use it to solve one problem, the natural question becomes: well, why don't you use it to solve every problem.
On the other hand Jacen is the son of pretty much the last Jedi Knight, so him having "bad feelings" is sorta in character of his force powers working.
Also every Star Wars property says it (or some variation) at some point. It would be odd to not include it somewhere.
I wish I was one of the fans that watched and loved Rebels and Clone Wars - I caught a season of each, and then had a quick look in when Tom Baker (Doctor Who) was voicing a character. It feels like they finished years ago now. I imagine having a new series that is a live action continuation of the Rebels story must be wonderful.
How deep is a deep cut in Star Wars movies and shows? Whatever happened at the end of Rebels (I'm sure I've figured some of the story beats) seems deeply embedded in the framework of this show. Which is to say that, while I'm a huge fan of the movies and the D+ shows, and while I'm enjoying this show, I feel a bit alienated. I'm not sure that this is a series for the average Star Wars fan that may or may not be up to date on a non-Legends version of Thrawn that appeared on an animated Star Wars series a few years. Or maybe the average Star Wars is exactly that, and I'm the outlier...