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    1. Lazy Sunday storytime - One for the Trekkies

      I hope everyone is having a good day. After writing that plea to let Star Trek die and do nothing with it for a while, I decided to be a necromancer for a day. Not sure where to put it so I went...

      I hope everyone is having a good day. After writing that plea to let Star Trek die and do nothing with it for a while, I decided to be a necromancer for a day. Not sure where to put it so I went with ~misc. In doing it, I know I'm probably forgetting some of the lore/timeline details. I haven't read a lot of wiki material, fan books, etc. I just watch old reruns now and then and had an idea rolling around in my mind.

      For context, let's pretend everything after 2005 just didn't happen, that the TNG movies were mostly dreams, and it's 15 years later. We're relying mostly on TNG/VOY/DS9 for the setting. The show runs for four seasons, with each season being one big arc. I don't know what to call it. If you have a fun name we can do that, and if you want I can try to fill in spots where folks have questions.

      ok, let's go (boldly)

      Season 1 - A Peaceful Mirage The year is 2540. Over a hundred years after the end of the Dominion War, the Federation has achieved a recovery back into its peaceful, exploratory posture. The security state that rose during the war has retreated, relationships within the quadrant have strengthened, and in celebration of this lasting prosperity a new Enterprise is being readied to embark on its classic mission. The ship is prepared, it sets off, and has a couple of monster-of-the-week encounters just like the good old days.

      Eventually, the Enterprise is assigned a rescue mission. A science guy on an outpost near the Romulans got himself into some shit with the locals and the Federation would like to avoid a violent misunderstanding. The Enterprise sets out, and when they get there do a pretty typical heroic thing - they battle some angry aliens, find the scientist, and recover his stuff for him. Aboard the ship though, they find that some of what the scientist had is odd. There are tools, weaponry of a kind they haven't seen before, that do things uncharacteristic of Federation technology. The scientist denies knowing much about it, but it's clear from how they're engaging something is being kept from the Enterprise crew. The guy knows more than he's saying, but because he won't explain all they can do is take him back home and hand over what they found.

      When they arrive at a starbase and check in with Starfleet, the captain is puzzled by their reaction to his report. They acknowledge what he found, but offer no real explanation/details. He's told it's simply not part of his mission to know. Before they're done, he checks out the equipment one more time, and discovers an insignia - Federation Security, the apparatus that grew and expanded during the Dominion War. Federation Security didn't disappear when the war ended, but its role was greatly reduced. A landmark moment in that history involved a new civilian government legislating various constraints on its activities and paring back the surveillance machinery built up for the Dominion War. The captain is puzzled why this organization would be operating on a remote outpost at the edge of the territory, and tries to investigate further. He finds bits and pieces, communications to and from the outpost in an indecipherable format. He tries to find out more about the scientist, and discovers he has always been in close contact with various structured linked to Federation Security. Those monster-of-the-week encounters were all also associated with the scientist's work - he was communicating with them, and to some degree may have orchestrated some of the moments the enterprise was sent there to resolve.

      Before the captain can put things together though, they receive orders to head out again on another mission near Romulan space. Along the way, strange things begin to happen. System failures, computer glitches, mechanical problems crop up and no clear explanation for them emerges. When the Enterprise reaches its destination, they are unable to locate the folks they're meant to rendezvous with. They try to reach Starfleet, but their communications start screwing up, and the engines become nonfunctional. As the crew tries to work out what is going on, multiple explosions rock the ship. Cloaked vessels are firing upon it, and the system malfunctions mean the Enterprise is more or less adrift. The ship is badly damaged, but in the nick of time engines get restored and they warp away. They set off for a starbase, but without the ability to communicate out to anyone.

      When the Enterprise makes it to the starbase, they come to find this incident is already known to everyone. Across Federation space it's been broadcast that the Enterprise was attacked by the Romulans. Though it's unclear exactly why they would do that, the incident is such a surprise that folks are scared, and leadership is saying this portends a larger conflict if the Romulans don't have a good explanation for what happened. While the Enterprise is docked, the captain/crew try to get in touch with Starfleet to inform them of what happened, but everyone they speak to seems dead set on seeing the incident as an unprovoked attack. The system malfunctions and original mission details aren't being included in folks' accounts of what happened and they won't correct their stories after hearing from the Enterprise crew.

      On their own, the captain and crew try to figure out what they can about the vessels that attacked them. The Enterprise didn't pick up much, but what little it did seems to indicate weaponry in some way similar to the weird stuff they found when they rescued the scientist. Before they can land on anything definitive, repairs are completed and Starfleet orders them out to rendezvous with other ships to help prepare for a border operation. Before they leave the starbase, the captain alone in his office is approached by Federation Security. He is told, they know of the particulars he's been trying to communicate, but they are ordering him to stay silent about the reality of his encounter. He must also ensure his crew stays silent too. If he tries to defy these orders, they will be removed from their posts. The captain, knowing at this point how wide the narrative has been broadcast about the attack, reluctantly agrees. The Enterprise then sets out for its next mission.

      Season 2 - Working from Within

      While the Enterprise is en route to the other Federation ships, the captain can't help but be fixated on that encounter with Federation Security. Something has to be afoot, but given how quickly everything evolved since the encounter with the cloaked ships, he knows he has to work out what to do on his own. As the Enterprise travels between systems, picking up different missions and coordinating with other ships, he notes areas in space where their communications will be less effective, and takes those moments to conduct investigations. During some of their encounters with the other ships, they meet people descended from characters in TNG/DS9/VOY. Through these characters, the captain comes to learn about stuff that never got told to folks, like the 29th century time traveler, covert operations surrounding Deep Space 9, etc. He learns details about what happened with each of the other Enterprise vessels, and is made to confront the idea that his Enterprise isn't like those. Those really were about exploration and discovery; his is more of a pawn in a larger scheme, the resurrection of an old image to serve a malign end.

      The captain becomes convinced, there is something deeply wrong with what is happening - Federation Security seems to have a much larger role in the Federation's leadership than what was known to most people, it didn't lose the power it had accrued. At this point, the captain pulls together his most trusted crew members (the bridge crew, basically) and lays out what he's come across. The Enterprise continues its missions, and when another opportunity to work in secret presents itself, they get together.

      They determine the cloaked vessels were in fact using weapons identical to the kind they found with that federation scientist. The tools he had were for intercepting and altering communications. The Romulans don't appear to have been doing anything of note anywhere near the part of space where they were attacked. As they get the details straight, a dark truth begins to emerge - Federation Security, not the Romulans, attacked them, utilizing cloaking technologies derived from some of the weird 29th century shit Voyager came across. They were attacked so as to give pretext for a conflict with the Romulans, which would mean a newfound need for Federation Security to take up a leading position within the Federation power structure. Much of the history they understood simply wasn't true - while on the surface, the Federation backed away from security/surveillance, in truth these aspects were being consolidated behind the scenes using much of what prior Enterprise excursions came across.

      The captain and crew decide, they have to reach the Federation's civilian leadership with what they've uncovered. They quickly come to see though, that will not be easy to do. Their investigation allowed them to understand some of how Federation Security operates, and in a revelatory moment they see that Federation Security is practically everywhere. They can observe what the crew does on their ship computer, they can see through the cameras, everything they're doing can in some way be observed. As its dawning on them that their entire effort has probably been seen, the Enterprise comes under attack.

      This time, it's a fleet of Federation ships. Communications are established, and the captain is told they are being apprehended for having sent sensitive information out to the Romulans. The captain and crew know, this is a setup, and so instead of surrendering they fight back and haul ass toward the nearest edge of Federation space. They escape. The ship is damaged but still functional, and once past the border their pursuers eventually turn back. Alone, in need of repairs, the Enterprise charts a course to an unpopulated system.

      Season 3 - Coalition of Secrecy

      With the Federation now hostile to them, and without means of getting in contact with anyone inside the Federation, the Enterprise crew devises a plan to get their ship fixed up and contact the other, non-human species within/around Federation space. The Klingons, the Romulans, the Vulcans, so on and so forth. They work on outfitting a shuttle to be able to cross borders undetected, so they can get to the various homeworlds and see if they can inform these species of Federation Security's scheming.

      With each encounter, they outwit and fight it out with the intelligence apparatus of each species, in stories based on wild shit actual intelligence agencies did. For example, in one episode they pick up some supplies only to find they've been laced with poisons. They reach the Klingons and have to deal with the Klingon KGB thinking this is all some triple agent stuff. They reach the MI5 Romulans and have to throw off pursuit by cloaked ships. They make it to Vulcan in disguise and feed false information to their Federation associates. Lots of room for half-monster-of-the-week material. In the end, they manage to reach important people with each species, and come out with a new plan to get the truth broadcast to the whole of the Federation all at once.

      A coalition of ships, outfitted for secrecy/evading detection, along with a similarly outfitted Enterprise, will penetrate into Federation space on a course toward Earth. Using every dirty trick, they will attempt to distract and throw off Federation Security enough for the Enterprise to make it to Earth's big communications relay, where they can broadcast to everyone the truth of Federation Security's false flag op. They're under the gun, because while they've been doing all this the Federation has been gearing up for a bigger conflict. The border with the Romulans is destabilizing, folks are getting in petty skirmishes, the populace is being brought to thinking they must go and fight. If they don't make it in time, the war will begin proper and there's no telling where that will go.

      The coalition fleet assembles, pinpoints where they've got the best chance to cross back into Federation space, and get going.

      Season 4 - The Truth Revealed The Coalition Fleet initially encounters little as it makes its way toward Earth. Cloaked, with all kinds of jamming and disruption, they are able to make progress and observe what is going on within the Federation. It isn't good. The populace is being spun up big time, old hatreds are being rekindled, it almost feels inevitable that there will be a gigantic conflict. As they do encounter resistance, each time they get into a fight they see that the fight is then broadcast as further reason to engage in that larger conflict - their effort to broadcast the truth is inadvertently serving Federation Security's ends. Because their coalition consists of the other major Federation species, FS is attempting to convince everyone that the Federation is under threat from multiple directions, that they are quickly coming upon an existential struggle for the Federation's survival. It's apparent by now, if the mission doesn't succeed the entire quadrant will erupt, everybody will be fighting each other. The narrative is getting intense and evolving fast, and the fleet cannot expose itself lest they be prevented from getting the truth out.

      Eventually they get near the Sol system. The Federation's warships are all over the place, with enough firepower that the Coalition Fleet stands no chance in a direct encounter. Through the use of all their weird intel agent tools they manage to evade detection and throw off pursuits, but not without some having to escape and others getting destroyed. Eventually the time comes, where the Enterprise alone has to get to Earth while the fleet performs a distraction.

      The Enterprise nears the moon, and figures out a way by which they can evade detection by maintaining a stationary orbit in a spot of weird stuff in between moonbases (I gotta technobabble that one I'm sorry). The captain and bridge crew man a shuttle and head out for the communications array, a big structure in between the Earth and the moon (again not sure whether that exists but let's just say it does).

      At the array they encounter almost no resistance. By now they know, something is up, but they have to complete their mission so they keep on. The goal is to send out a broadcast through the array that provides irrefutable proof of what they've found about Federation Security's attack as well as what information they could put together from their encounters up to this point. The hope is that once this is out there, Federation Security will lose enough credibility that it will be isolated - the rest of the Federation will hopefully turn against it.

      As they near the station they need to use, they are stopped by Federation Security's topmost people. They're offered a deal - surrender, hand over their information, the captain will be put on trial and the crew will be spared. For a moment it's uncertain how this will play out, because the experience of getting to this point has been one of continuous paranoia, suspicion, betrayal and exhaustion. However, together, they refuse, and fight it out while the captain and first officer get to where they need to be to get the broadcast done.

      They succeed. The Federation, all at once, is informed of what has happened. The remaining ships of the Coalition Fleet phone home, and ships from all over the quadrant approach to take down what forces Federation Security can muster. Most of the Federation turns against FS as well, so their leaders get apprehended and their power structure dismantled. The captain and crew, exhausted, head back to the shuttle, board the Enterprise and reveal themselves to the wider populace as this coalition effort secures the space.

      The show picks up again a few years later. After this incident, the Federation underwent a radical stage of transformation, in which the warmongering security apparatus was taken apart for good. In doing so, there were times of difficulty and disagreement - the other species came to learn of stuff that made relations harder to maintain, but because of the Enterprise's efforts in 2540 these ultimately were resolved. The captain and crew were eventually lauded as heroes of Federation, though none took up positions of leadership. Instead, many of them resigned, to live as civilians after having seen a bit too much. The captain stayed for a time, but eventually decided it was best for someone else to captain a new model, one that could conduct its exploratory missions without the burden of having been at the center of a big nasty scheme.

      THE END

      Afterword? I dunno, discussion that could spoil some things so it gets a tab too

      If I could summon infinite money and good actors, I think I'd focus a lot on the idea that following the end of DS9, the Federation wasn't quite the same thing as before their war with the Dominion. My read of DS9 was of the Federation slowly transforming into a security state - it was losing some of its freedom and exploratory nature for the sake of defending itself. By the end of DS9 it felt like the Federation had lost some of its spirit, and was left in a situation where it needed to seriously interrogate what it was all about. Voyager went further along in time but I don't remember it having much to say about the state of the Federation broadly.

      My beef with post 2005 Trek (as in, after Enterprise was over) was that instead of heading on into the future the franchise kept going back. I wanted to know, what happened to them after the war was done, when the need for surveillance and security fundamentally changed. Did they just go back to being about discovery and science and stuff, or did they go down a paranoid, Terran Empire sort of path? I think either could have been interesting, but more importantly I think leaving off with that kind of uncertainty was a good setup for doing a show that would have landed real hard years down the line. We all lived through the emergence of things like mass surveillance and the algorithmic internet and I feel like Star Trek should have been there to show us some of what could be done with that. I would like to hope that if a deep truth got sent out into the world it would mean something, so that's what's in what I wrote here. I think there would be a lot of room in a show like this to reexamine the role of the stuff we experienced, grew up with, etc., through the lens of an Enterprise captain realizing his mission isn't what it appears to be.

      I hope that was fun. Always happy to take feedback and hear what kinds of stuff ya'll think would make for a good show.

      Edit: Guess I'm adding Babylon 5 to the storage drive. I don't know why I never saw it but I will happily follow ya'll's suggestion on that one, sounds good to me

      14 votes
    2. Strange New Worlds: Season 3: Episodes 5,6, and 7 have been much better than previous episodes

      Warning: this post may contain spoilers

      No holodeck adventures, no hiding in space clouds, no musical dance numbers, no soap operas ( just a tiny bit ) and no less than subtle modeling of how people should behave.

      Stories that were actually interesting and that held your attention.

      Some of episode 5 was derivative from other Star Trek's and other sci-fi series, but it was done well.

      Episode 6 was engrossing and with a surprise ending. I like the slow buildup of King Arthur ( Kirk ) eventually pulling the sword out of the stone ( taking command of the Enterprise ).

      Episode 7. I knew people in college like Beto. I thought the actor did a great portraying such a person. I even found myself getting irritated though Star Fleet is fiction. I loved how Uhura handled him. She was kind, but she completely unmasked what he was behind his behavior.

      9 votes
    3. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - Season 3

      Strange New Worlds Season 3 is out. So far 2 episodes have been released. I have seen the first episode. I have some thoughts about the underlying themes of Strange New Worlds. This will not have...

      Strange New Worlds Season 3 is out. So far 2 episodes have been released. I have seen the first episode.

      I have some thoughts about the underlying themes of Strange New Worlds. This will not have spoilers because most of what I'm talking about appeared in previous seasons and in the trailer for season 3.

      The main theme that I see in the show is that the people in the crew are actualized adults. They have empathy and compassion. If they do something heroic, it is in the spirit of self sacrifice for their friends and colleagues and the human race in general. They have some flaws, but when they find out about the flaws they try to work on self-improvement.

      This is most completely embodied in Captain Pike. He expends much of his energy getting feedback from his crew. He gets opinions from experts in various fields, and then makes a decision without doubt. He is open to criticism and fights for what he believes in. He is the opposite of an authoritarian leader.

      I would contrast this somewhat to the behavior of Captain Kirk from the original series. Kirk would go to his advisors (mostly Spock and McCoy), but usually as a secondary source. Pike makes a much larger effort to check with the crew first, and relies on more different opinions.

      It can also be contrasted with the behavior of Captain Picard. Picard is much more authoritarian and has a very rigid moral code which seems largely based on tradition and values like honor and service.

      I enjoy Strange New Worlds very much. I am aware that it is extremely "woke", and that I am being given an example how how we should treat each other and solve problems. I don't mind this at all, and it seems completely in line with the morality which has always driven the best Star Trek.

      There is one other thing I noticed in S3e1: Captain Pike takes a moment to pray. I don't remember seeing this in Star Trek before (but it probably has happened). I haven't decided yet why the writers included this. It could be to show a little background about Pike's upbringing (he mentions his dad before doing it). It could be a concession to conservatives who watch the show. It could be that Pike will try all possible avenues in case they may help.

      21 votes
    4. Andor discussion thread

      Warning: this post may contain spoilers

      Haven't seen a whole lot of discussion about this show on tildes. Not in weekly threads nor a main thread - so here is one!

      It's a 9/10 for me.

      I waited until all of season 2 was out before starting it. Realized I had forgotten almost everything since season 1 though, so rewatched that first. It turned into a binge of both seasons - I just could not stop! It has been probably 3 years since I was so glued to the screen and this engaged in a tv show (Euphoria season 1),

      I will skip an analysis or further review but every character was good. Every actor delivered. Just great all around. Season 2 (9.5/10) even better than season 1 (8.5/10).

      So anyways, discuss! More than happy to have my feelings about it validated lol, and also see other takes on it.

      47 votes
    5. Star Wars recommendations for a six year old

      Kid has just started getting into Star Wars, which is great because I could buy a set of light sabres for Christmas and no what do you mean that was for the kid it absolutely wasn't a present for...

      Kid has just started getting into Star Wars, which is great because I could buy a set of light sabres for Christmas and no what do you mean that was for the kid it absolutely wasn't a present for myself as well. Anyway, countless hours of duelling later...

      We have watched the "first" two films (ep 4 and 5) and plan to watch the remaining movies at some points. A few grabbing-my-arm scary moments but it's OK because "the good guys always win, right Daddy?"

      We're playing Lego Star Wars together on the Playstation, which is brilliant fun. Their face when they blew up the Death Star all by themselves was fantastic. Everyone was excited for the rest of the day.

      We are hitting the phonics books, of which there is plenty. Kid loves books and stories but isn't such a fan of reading for themselves as yet - but will ask me to let them read to me if there are Star Wars books on the pile, which is great.

      However, that's where my Star Wars knowledge ends. I know there's a whole boatload of EU stuff out there, but I have no idea what it is, or what of it is suitable (or not) for a six year old. Any suggestions? We have a rotating selection of streaming services live at any given time, but I'm ok with the occasional venture into choppier waters if needed.

      21 votes
    6. In praise of Arcane season 2

      Warning: this post may contain spoilers

      To me this is the best thing I've ever seen, movie or series or otherwise. Characters, artstyle, writing, animations, worldbuilding, character depth, mental issues and disability representation and the music.

      It's bold, it's flashy, it's outright heartbreaking and earth-shattering yet comforting and soft when it wants to be and then totally can spin the story again in a new direction. Bravo.

      And I've seen anything from the Shawshank Redemption and The Dark Knight on release to obscure anime and bad TV series these past 25 years.

      I bow to the incredible talent that has made this possible.

      35 votes
    7. Scavengers Reign (2023) - Best sci-fi I have seen in years, aside from Dune

      "Scavengers Reign" eluded me when it released last year, but I was made aware of it after MAX canceled the show in May (Netflix has since picked it up but may or may not put in for more, is how I...

      "Scavengers Reign" eluded me when it released last year, but I was made aware of it after MAX canceled the show in May (Netflix has since picked it up but may or may not put in for more, is how I understand the situation).

      The trailer has been posted here but I wanted to check in and see how everyone else felt about it (keep it spoiler free!). Personally I was enthralled all the way through. It has such an interesting blend of Miyazaki-esque "creature-y" world building with more meditative displays of nature and the violence and balance that is integral to it. If that sounds at all interesting I would suggest watching the first of twelve episodes, you will probably know if you are interested or not after it's over.

      Here's hoping Netflix green lights more, assuming the creators want to continue. It really could stand as-is with where they left it.

      38 votes
    8. My not so nice thoughts on Battlestar Galactica

      I watched the 2003 miniseries which I thought was decent enough. It certainly piqued my interest, so I went into the show itself with an open mind and kind of excited that I had a nice, long...

      I watched the 2003 miniseries which I thought was decent enough. It certainly piqued my interest, so I went into the show itself with an open mind and kind of excited that I had a nice, long sci-fi series to get into.. but.. I'm now solidly underway with season 1, a lot of it falls totally flat. I just finished episode 5 and while it's not the worst show I've ever watched, it certainly isn't great either and I have to say I don't understand why this show is praised. It feels really dated.

      There are some truly awful scenes where it feels like I'm being preached to, like "remember to go in for your breast cancer screening!" and "prisoners aren't slaves!" and the scene from this episode where the president appears on the Galactica just to tell the commander "ackshually 45000 people are more important than just 1!" as though it's some deep philosophy, and then he changes his mind off of that, but like, his character really isn't dumb enough to not have already considered the morality of the situation. He should have perfectly well realized that they'd expended half of their fuel reserve searching for the downed pilot, and that's more than they can afford. He is not stupid, but the writing certainly can be.

      There are also a ton of cliches and cheap story beats like fake-outs, cliff-hangers, characters that could solve all their problems if they simply communicated, dundundun dunnn moments with fabricated tension, not to mention the amount of halfway meaningless filler. It's a shame because the lore and overarching plot is interesting, but when every episode has so much pointless conflict in them that always gets resolved 10 minutes later, it starts to really drag. The episodes are self-contained and I get that, but I mean most of it is to the point that it's borderline a soap opera.

      And it's not even filmed or directed well or anything else to make up for it. The desaturated colours are depressing as fuck, there is no cinematography to speak of, the special effects are (understandably) very cheap, everything is truly ugly which while I understand that's the point, it just detracts even more. The lighting is also inconsistent between some scenes, and the fight choreography is honestly laughable. You also have shoddy camera work and obnoxious, never ending close-ups of every actor's face - I have seen all of their pores by now, thank you very much. And omg why are they so obsessed with wide shots of the ships and then snap zooming not once, but twice, every time!!

      Also, variations of the word "frak" is just so grating but I'm nitpicking at this point lol

      I apologize to any fans of the show because this turned into a bit of a rant, but goddamn.. I'm kind of grasping at straws to find things I actually like about BSG. Maybe it's because it's a network production? Perhaps I'm too young to watch and truly appreciate it/its era of American network TV? Like the only of these kinds of shows we had in my country that I watched when they were current was things like Friends, Monk, Desperate Housewives etc., so I missed out on all of these supposedly great shows back then (I was only 11 years old when BSG started airing). I really love some of the other things from the 00's that I've watched much later on though, but those were cable shows like The Wire, so it's not just because it's from the 00's.

      Anyway, all of the above reasons (and more) are why I usually stay far away from network shows with 20-episode seasons, but I thought BSG was going to be different because it's my impression that it has a really good reputation? Like I said in the beginning, the miniseries was decent so I'm not sure what changed between it and season 1? I think I'm gonna demote it to a background show unless the next few episodes pick up a bit. Should I keep going? Does it get better after season 1?

      24 votes
    9. I have an issue with the 3 Body Problem

      Alright, a 2nd spoiler disclaimer for those who accidentally clicked it anyway. When it became apparent to me that the alien race had sent over two 10-dimensional supercomputers folded into the...

      Alright, a 2nd spoiler disclaimer for those who accidentally clicked it anyway.

      When it became apparent to me that the alien race had sent over two 10-dimensional supercomputers folded into the size of a proton trying to halt human scientific progression in an attempt to maintain its technological advancement while making the travel towards Earth, something doesn't sit right with me.

      Why oh why, if you were a 10-dimensional supercomputer being nearly all-knowing yet having only the capacity to be at one point in time and space to deny or halt scientific progression, you wouldn't just write code to A) make copies of yourself to then B) hack all the systems and possible computers in the world to halt anything and everything and basically just plunge humanity back into the dark ages if not outright spreading a deadly virus that would eliminate us from the face of the earth if we are such a big threat to them.

      And over the concept of lying and then not being able to coexist with that even though you have the technological head start? And why only communicate with a human to figure out about us if you have two quantum entangled super computers capable of overseeing everything and anything all the time anywhere to gather pure 'scientific' data about us as a species.

      10 votes