I like this show. It seems to exist for a reason: Provide a bridge between people who are nostalgic for old Star Trek while appealing to a new audience with current social sensibilities. It has a...
I like this show. It seems to exist for a reason: Provide a bridge between people who are nostalgic for old Star Trek while appealing to a new audience with current social sensibilities. It has a lot of 'member berries related to TOS, while trying new and slightly crazy formats and plots.
Conversely, I don't understand who the newer show Star Trek: Section 31 is for. It has the word Star Trek in the title but doesn't seem to have anything in it that would appeal to people who have watched Star Trek.
I honestly don't know. I've been a Star Trek fan my entire life, and they're both producing new content at an absolute ridiculous pace, more than I have time for, while making that content...
I honestly don't know. I've been a Star Trek fan my entire life, and they're both producing new content at an absolute ridiculous pace, more than I have time for, while making that content completely unrecognizable as far as central themes go.
Deep Space 9 was an interesting show because it explored the realities that a supposedly utopian society like the federation would have to deal with, and they created section 31 as a foil and a corruption of the very ideals that Starfleet and the Federation was based on. It was an interesting mirror of the federation's high minded ethics, and posed interesting questions like, "are those ethics worth being enslaved over?" As that well has continued to be mined, Star Trek seems to have lost the entire plot with what they're supposed to represent, and nothing about section 31 is interesting in any way anymore.
It just reads like they're completely out of ideas, which is fine, but when you're out of ideas, that's a clue that you should maybe stop writing, instead of churning out derivative garbage that looks like a hundred other grimdark Sci Fi properties.
I hate to be the bitter aging nerd stereotype, but all of this new content is making me hesitate to even call myself a Star Trek fan anymore.
I don't honestly know who this stuff is for. People who like Star Trek don't like it and don't watch it, and people who don't like Star Trek aren't going to be watching a "Star Trek" show anyway.
All it takes to disrupt that stereotype is to find something else to be happy and optimistic about. A token good scifi, if you will. After being genuinely excited about watching (seasons 2 and 3...
I hate to be the bitter aging nerd stereotype, but all of this new content is making me hesitate to even call myself a Star Trek fan anymore.
All it takes to disrupt that stereotype is to find something else to be happy and optimistic about. A token good scifi, if you will. After being genuinely excited about watching (seasons 2 and 3 of) The Orville I knew I'm not bitter, NuTrek just doesn't meet my standards.
Yeah, I switched to anime 5-6 years ago and haven't looked back. Plenty of sci-fi and fantasy over there, outside of the Hollywood bubble of bland. Orville was also good. I call it Store Brand...
Yeah, I switched to anime 5-6 years ago and haven't looked back. Plenty of sci-fi and fantasy over there, outside of the Hollywood bubble of bland.
Orville was also good. I call it Store Brand Star Trek because of the eerie similarities to TNG set dressing and themes, while not being able to use the same terms.
I actually do like lower decks and the few episodes of Strange New Worlds I've seen. Even though SNW is a comedy show that basically pokes fun at Star Trek, the writers of that show legitimately...
I actually do like lower decks and the few episodes of Strange New Worlds I've seen. Even though SNW is a comedy show that basically pokes fun at Star Trek, the writers of that show legitimately seem like Star Trek fans who understand Star Trek at a deep level. I was actually shocked when I saw both shows because Discovery and Picard both jaded me so much on anything new having to do with Trek. I have no idea why the writing is so radically different.
My take on this is I feel like I like Strange New Worlds so much because I've been deprived of a good Star Trek show for so long that a nu-trek / TOS mashup seems like it's great just because it...
My take on this is I feel like I like Strange New Worlds so much because I've been deprived of a good Star Trek show for so long that a nu-trek / TOS mashup seems like it's great just because it returns to being mostly episodic with an ensemble cast instead of a main-character story arc spanning the entire season.
In the absence of good Star Trek shows I really feel like Seth Macfarlane created The Orville to show Paramount how it's done, then dipped out as soon as Paramount started creating Trek shows that returned to form and started seeming like Roddenberry would be able to rotate in his grave at less than 1000 RPM.
Discovery, Picard, the whole nu-trek universe misses the entire point of Star Trek, in my humble-but-not-uncommon-opinion. Out of all the new Star Trek shows that have come out, the only ones that are 1: mostly episodic, and B: espouse lofty goals for an optimistic future, (which to me really defines Trek in general) are Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds.
Agreed. I just wish we'd do something new. I love the enterprise, Spock, etc, but we're kind of still just operating on nostalgia bait. It would be interesting to see what a show written similarly...
Agreed. I just wish we'd do something new. I love the enterprise, Spock, etc, but we're kind of still just operating on nostalgia bait. It would be interesting to see what a show written similarly to SNW would do with an entirely new cast in an entirely new time period.
What's the Enterprise-H doing in the 25th century? Who is the next decorated Starfleet captain commanding the flagship?
We basically need a next-next generation instead of rehashing the same few memorable ships, characters and storylines.
I have the same misgivings about the choice to recast characters and take place when it does, but it has worked out really well so far. I criticize it and enjoy the heck out of it all at the same...
I have the same misgivings about the choice to recast characters and take place when it does, but it has worked out really well so far. I criticize it and enjoy the heck out of it all at the same time.
They're from season 20 of South Park. They're talking fruit that look a bit like grapes that cause people to feel nostalgic about stuff with comments in the form of "Member X?". They start out...
They're from season 20 of South Park.
They're talking fruit that look a bit like grapes that cause people to feel nostalgic about stuff with comments in the form of "Member X?".
They start out making comments about Star Wars, but as the season goes on they throw out more and more bigoted comments like "Member when there weren't so many Mexicans?"
I can't remember specifically how the season ended, but I think it was something to do with the election, the memberberries being the big bad pulling the strings and creating a change in society that made Mr. Garrison (who acts as Trump stand-in in South Park) popular, and then they just sort of disappeared because the writers didn't plan for Trump actually winning.
I assume they just mean the "nostalgia bait" part and not the latter bit in their comment.
This is a reference to a joke made on South Park in response to the newer Star Wars movies. I think specifically The Force Awakens. In the South Park episode, there are little berries that talk...
This is a reference to a joke made on South Park in response to the newer Star Wars movies. I think specifically The Force Awakens.
In the South Park episode, there are little berries that talk every time there the Millennium Falcon or Storm Troopers appear. The berries say things like “Remember the Falcon? Yeah, I ‘member”. It’s mocking the fact that sequels often lazily or cynically lean on nostalgia from previous, more original, better movies or shows.
I didn’t mean it so negatively in the case of Brave New Worlds but sometimes the references there are a little lazy too.
If you do a web search you’ll see member berries mentioned a lot in the last few years.
I like this show. It seems to exist for a reason: Provide a bridge between people who are nostalgic for old Star Trek while appealing to a new audience with current social sensibilities. It has a lot of 'member berries related to TOS, while trying new and slightly crazy formats and plots.
Conversely, I don't understand who the newer show Star Trek: Section 31 is for. It has the word Star Trek in the title but doesn't seem to have anything in it that would appeal to people who have watched Star Trek.
I honestly don't know. I've been a Star Trek fan my entire life, and they're both producing new content at an absolute ridiculous pace, more than I have time for, while making that content completely unrecognizable as far as central themes go.
Deep Space 9 was an interesting show because it explored the realities that a supposedly utopian society like the federation would have to deal with, and they created section 31 as a foil and a corruption of the very ideals that Starfleet and the Federation was based on. It was an interesting mirror of the federation's high minded ethics, and posed interesting questions like, "are those ethics worth being enslaved over?" As that well has continued to be mined, Star Trek seems to have lost the entire plot with what they're supposed to represent, and nothing about section 31 is interesting in any way anymore.
It just reads like they're completely out of ideas, which is fine, but when you're out of ideas, that's a clue that you should maybe stop writing, instead of churning out derivative garbage that looks like a hundred other grimdark Sci Fi properties.
I hate to be the bitter aging nerd stereotype, but all of this new content is making me hesitate to even call myself a Star Trek fan anymore.
I don't honestly know who this stuff is for. People who like Star Trek don't like it and don't watch it, and people who don't like Star Trek aren't going to be watching a "Star Trek" show anyway.
All it takes to disrupt that stereotype is to find something else to be happy and optimistic about. A token good scifi, if you will. After being genuinely excited about watching (seasons 2 and 3 of) The Orville I knew I'm not bitter, NuTrek just doesn't meet my standards.
Yeah, I switched to anime 5-6 years ago and haven't looked back. Plenty of sci-fi and fantasy over there, outside of the Hollywood bubble of bland.
Orville was also good. I call it Store Brand Star Trek because of the eerie similarities to TNG set dressing and themes, while not being able to use the same terms.
I actually do like lower decks and the few episodes of Strange New Worlds I've seen. Even though SNW is a comedy show that basically pokes fun at Star Trek, the writers of that show legitimately seem like Star Trek fans who understand Star Trek at a deep level. I was actually shocked when I saw both shows because Discovery and Picard both jaded me so much on anything new having to do with Trek. I have no idea why the writing is so radically different.
My take on this is I feel like I like Strange New Worlds so much because I've been deprived of a good Star Trek show for so long that a nu-trek / TOS mashup seems like it's great just because it returns to being mostly episodic with an ensemble cast instead of a main-character story arc spanning the entire season.
In the absence of good Star Trek shows I really feel like Seth Macfarlane created The Orville to show Paramount how it's done, then dipped out as soon as Paramount started creating Trek shows that returned to form and started seeming like Roddenberry would be able to rotate in his grave at less than 1000 RPM.
Discovery, Picard, the whole nu-trek universe misses the entire point of Star Trek, in my humble-but-not-uncommon-opinion. Out of all the new Star Trek shows that have come out, the only ones that are 1: mostly episodic, and B: espouse lofty goals for an optimistic future, (which to me really defines Trek in general) are Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds.
Agreed. I just wish we'd do something new. I love the enterprise, Spock, etc, but we're kind of still just operating on nostalgia bait. It would be interesting to see what a show written similarly to SNW would do with an entirely new cast in an entirely new time period.
What's the Enterprise-H doing in the 25th century? Who is the next decorated Starfleet captain commanding the flagship?
We basically need a next-next generation instead of rehashing the same few memorable ships, characters and storylines.
I have the same misgivings about the choice to recast characters and take place when it does, but it has worked out really well so far. I criticize it and enjoy the heck out of it all at the same time.
As a SNW hater, I probably wouldn't be a hater if they did that. The memberberries work the opposite way on me.
What are 'member berries'?
They're from season 20 of South Park.
They're talking fruit that look a bit like grapes that cause people to feel nostalgic about stuff with comments in the form of "Member X?".
They start out making comments about Star Wars, but as the season goes on they throw out more and more bigoted comments like "Member when there weren't so many Mexicans?"
I can't remember specifically how the season ended, but I think it was something to do with the election, the memberberries being the big bad pulling the strings and creating a change in society that made Mr. Garrison (who acts as Trump stand-in in South Park) popular, and then they just sort of disappeared because the writers didn't plan for Trump actually winning.
I assume they just mean the "nostalgia bait" part and not the latter bit in their comment.
https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Memberberries
This is a reference to a joke made on South Park in response to the newer Star Wars movies. I think specifically The Force Awakens.
In the South Park episode, there are little berries that talk every time there the Millennium Falcon or Storm Troopers appear. The berries say things like “Remember the Falcon? Yeah, I ‘member”. It’s mocking the fact that sequels often lazily or cynically lean on nostalgia from previous, more original, better movies or shows.
I didn’t mean it so negatively in the case of Brave New Worlds but sometimes the references there are a little lazy too.
If you do a web search you’ll see member berries mentioned a lot in the last few years.
Pike is such a good captain. Kirk would have tried to come up with the whole solution himself.
I have the opposite conclusion for the same reasons. :-)