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  1. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    My answer was going more in the sense, that every time I see a topic asking about this, I only read replies that say that everything is easy and there are no issues anymore. Well In my experience,...

    My answer was going more in the sense, that every time I see a topic asking about this, I only read replies that say that everything is easy and there are no issues anymore. Well In my experience, it is not easy. It is not something absolutely impossible, as you say, with some stubbornness and potentially assuming that you will have to go through 4 reinstallation in a 2 month period because you are learning around the way.

    But that is not easy. It is doable.

    Things like the codecs, the proprietary drivers , the fact that you are alone every time you have a problem (forums are... other thing) or you have someone you can rely to ask, the guides are not copy paste, they are for distro X or Y, version Z or W, and you need to understand and use it as a guide, not follow perfectly.

    It is doable, but the user needs to spend a chunk of time to do it. No matter what distro it uses, and it needs to learn the system.

  2. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    The difference between a command and a gui is that with a gui, I read the gui, I read what it does, then I click it. If I need to remove the effect, I just go to the same place and unclick it,...

    The difference between a command and a gui is that with a gui, I read the gui, I read what it does, then I click it. If I need to remove the effect, I just go to the same place and unclick it, easy.

    With commands, I don't know the command, because I don't know any command, I imagine I could read all man pages to find the command I want, or I can ask online, someone will tell me a command and I will just put it.

    Now, I don't know what that command has done, and also, I have no way to reverse it, because there is no undo, but just a different command that I need somehow to find out.

    Obviously, if you know all the commands, what they do, how to activate and deactivate options, and the effects they have. Then command are better. But expecting someone with an older hardware to come from windows, into a new system, guiding them through mystic commands like a wizard reading a spell. That is definitely not what I would expect as easy.

    The issue you mention with Opensuse and the packages is the perfect example of an issue that should not happen, at all. If the problem are the codecs, give the codecs, don't complicate the life of the user. Just make a simple, do you want to install codecs, and when the user click yes, it should be done without causing any further issue. I got similar experience with nvidia drivers, fedora ask you if you want to activate them, you click yes, then they add the repository, but do not install them... It should be selected the best driver and install for the user.

    And in no case, breaking the system through a update should happen, if it does happens, means that the distro needs more tester/testing before going for the updates.

    The problem with the stable releases is kind of the opposite, when you got a bug in your software, that does not get solved because, you can't update to a newer version, because that is not stable.

    Is there any solution? I don't know. I guess it is better to have a bug than to have a broken system.

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  3. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    You would recognise me the site is a bit clunky to use, you have to look one by one to be able to find one that works....

    You would recognise me the site is a bit clunky to use, you have to look one by one to be able to find one that works.

    https://linux-hardware.org/?id=board:micro-star-mag-b650-tomahawk-wifi-ms-7d75-1-0&page=1#status

    This one fore example (which was what I had in mind seems to work).

    However, I know for sure that Fedora 48 had issues with this moderboard (in my case with sound) and yet still shows as works on every Distro. https://linux-hardware.org/?id=board:intel-dq77mk-aag39642-500

    Also I know a friend has the MPG B550 Gaming Plus which appears as work: https://linux-hardware.org/?id=board:micro-star-mpg-b550-gaming-plus-ms-7c56-1-0 and the audio does not work unless they have a headphone jack inserted in the frontal. And it does not appear that problem in the web.

  4. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    The problem with suppliers is that they try to sell you a whole computer, and to be honest, it is quite pricey. My computer case works and is fine, and I would like to select the power supply...

    The problem with suppliers is that they try to sell you a whole computer, and to be honest, it is quite pricey. My computer case works and is fine, and I would like to select the power supply myself. They do not sell the motherboard, and when they use a motherboard in the market, they refuse to tell you which one it is, and one needs to figure it out by the specifications.

    From the Tuxedo I believe they are using the MSI mag b650 tomahawk wifi. Which is the motherboard that I had in mind.

    I didn't know the phoronix website, but I did try to see if they got a review of that motherboard, and either I am stupid, or I haven't found one, apparently they are using one of them for a benchmark, but no review. I went to the motherboard section, and the first motherboard review that makes any sense for consumer user is this one from November 2022. https://www.phoronix.com/review/asrock-x670e-pg

    Not saying the information is not available, but it is not what I would consider easy to find, unless you want to go through the route of buying a whole system. (Assuming that it will work with zero issues)

  5. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    I see your point, but if it is a developer distribution to test things maybe it should not be the first option on OpenSuse webpage: https://www.opensuse.org/ (I read left to right, so it is the...

    I see your point, but if it is a developer distribution to test things maybe it should not be the first option on OpenSuse webpage: https://www.opensuse.org/ (I read left to right, so it is the first option to me), also the text which appears to me in Spanish describing Tumbleweed says:

    "Consiga los paquetes de Linux más nuevos con nuestra versión de actualización continua. ¡Rápido! ¡Integrado! ¡Estabilizado! ¡Probado!"

    You will have to take my word for the English translation but it reads as:

    Get the newer Linux distribution with our rolling update version. Fast! Integrated! STABLE! and TESTED!

    I can definitely say that in my case, it wasn't stable, and it wasn't tested. If the use of the rolling release is just a beta testing version for Leap in which enthusiast do the heavy work of testing, it should not be appearing before Leap, it could be hidden in scrolling like MicroOS do. And it should be labelled as this version is unstable and for testing purposes.

  6. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    Have you had a linux install you have not opened command line at all? Not even to configure anything. If you could use a graphical tool but used command line instead, it does not count, as it...

    Have you had a linux install you have not opened command line at all?
    Not even to configure anything.

    If you could use a graphical tool but used command line instead, it does not count, as it assumes that the graphical tool will work as intended.

    Because I haven't. The closest was with Ubuntu, but I had issues with steam because the ubuntu steam version is something else, and installing the .deb (from steam) required me to open the console to uninstall the previous (clicking on uninstall didn't work) and installing the deb from the site.

    Or maybe it is just me that I am unlucky, and linux does work perfectly for everybody else but me.

    I am going to need to start collecting screenshots of twitter and mastodon when people said they had issues with X or Y from Linux to need to prove my point.

  7. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    I am critical for the very same reason that I have been hearing since 18 months ago, switch to linux because Windows 10 support is ending and it won't be supported in Windows 11. Whilst the...

    I am critical for the very same reason that I have been hearing since 18 months ago, switch to linux because Windows 10 support is ending and it won't be supported in Windows 11.

    Whilst the reality is more likely that the computer will need to go to scrap or to keep in an absolute offline environment because it is not supported by windows nor linux.

    If the linux community really would like to take the opportunity of a big shift with w10 end of life support, they do need to do way more testing and support of the old hardware. And by linux community I don't mean you, I mean the big distro space.

    You can't have a system (OpenSuse tumbleweed) in which you get a notification from kde to press update, press update, it gives you an error, saying it can't be updated, saying no other information about it, ask online, tell me to use yast dup, use that break completely the system to the point that open in console and then being blamed by using tumbleweed and not updating in 45 days. That is not a good experience for the user, definitely is not a good experience for me, as user.

    I am not sure what is the right choice here, but the user should not be fixing distro errors. This is something that needs to be. If I am using Arch, Debian or Gentoo, I understand the user wants to tweak stuff. If I am using a premade distro, honestly, I am expecting not opening the command line for anything, not even installing software out from the repositories, it should be solved within desktop.

  8. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    But it is not even that easy. If I want to buy, today, a motherboard in the market that is 100% compatible with linux. There is not such a website to tell you so. And if that site exist, it is...

    But it is not even that easy. If I want to buy, today, a motherboard in the market that is 100% compatible with linux. There is not such a website to tell you so. And if that site exist, it is definitely not popular enough to come my way, three months ago when I was looking to buy a new computer and I want to be supported by linux.

  9. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    This is again the trap that I have been falling, every time I got an issue I am suggested a new distro. Every time I try a new Distro I got a new set of different quandaries to deal with. There is...

    This is again the trap that I have been falling, every time I got an issue I am suggested a new distro. Every time I try a new Distro I got a new set of different quandaries to deal with. There is not such a thing like the perfect distro.

    In my experience, (and by reading some people that are linux fans) reinstalling linux, solving issues, is it a common theme. Honestly, much more common that the time I spend solving issues on my computer since windows 7. Indeed, the computer I am writing now, it has gone from windows 7 to windows 10, and it was installed originally at some point in 2014, working since then.

    I never said they are lying, they probably like to tweak with their computers, and don't see something breaking and spending 3 hours to fix it like an issue. When OpenSuse broke after updating (literally only thing I did was "zypper dup" ) I was told that there was no issue because I can use the console my computer was booting to just restore as it was working before!

    Well, when I turn my computer it is mostly because I want to use to play, talk, browser, see some videos, download stuff. Not to enjoy the restoring tool to a previous state.

    Linux requires tinkering. It has required in my case every time I have tried in something else that is not a raspberry. It could be not the case for everyone, yes. It has been that case every single time I tried on non-raspberry hardware.

  10. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    The thing is that me as user, I honestly don't care if the blame is on Linux, on Nvidia, on Realtek or anything else. I just want it to work. The laptop I tried with the nvidia 765M is a Clevo...

    The thing is that me as user, I honestly don't care if the blame is on Linux, on Nvidia, on Realtek or anything else. I just want it to work.

    The laptop I tried with the nvidia 765M is a Clevo laptop, which allegedly was supposed to be linux friendly. And in my last experience with it, it isn't. The Nvidia 765M is not supported at all in any distro, not even installing latest propietary drivers, and the dual GPU system that carries is also not supported by any distro.

    Being about 12 years old, I don't think it will be ever supported. My point being, I am not sure if any purchase you do today that is linux-friendly, will ever be linux friendly in the future, or like my Clevo laptop, it will be too old to care anymore.

  11. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    I have tried to use linux in several different hardware and I have been able to success only on raspberries. In the 1050ti case I tried Fedora and the nvidia did not give me a problem, in that...

    I have tried to use linux in several different hardware and I have been able to success only on raspberries.
    In the 1050ti case I tried Fedora and the nvidia did not give me a problem, in that case it was the sound card of the intel motherboard (which is supported by redhat linux), the issue being that every few minutes you would lose audio for a microsecond and come back, like someone was inserting a headphone in the jack and then remove it immediately.

    My experience is based in a number of computers that will not support W11, and I tried for the very same reason than OP, they won't be supported anymore.

    And unfortunately, none of the 3 computers I tried did work with linux. And the one that I manage to do (a clevo laptop with opensuse tumbleweed) broke by itself after I tried to update it one month and a half later.

    I wish I could ditch windows, but I don't have neither the time nor the energy to babysit my computer every month. I also don't want to distrohop, the whole concept of distrohopping is the opposite to use linux, a distrohopper is most of the time, installing linux, not using it. I need my OS to be install, configure, and from that point be "use" with the only interaction from me to click a update button when it appears.

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  12. Comment on I dont want Windows 11, how easy is it to use Linux? in ~tech

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    In this kind of topics I always encounter the same, a lot of people saying that is fine and works for them. But any time I try linux it is a disaster. And every time I comment about I got a...

    In this kind of topics I always encounter the same, a lot of people saying that is fine and works for them. But any time I try linux it is a disaster. And every time I comment about I got a million of people saying, that they have no issue on their system, that is my fault for having certain hardware, or that windows/privative bugs must be much better than linux ones or my favourite, you chose the wrong distro, next time try XYZ.

    My experience has been with fairly old hardware (one would expect it would be supported better, but that is not the case), I have got issues with the nvidia drivers (1050 TI and 765M). The open source driver is garbage, to the point that I got more fps with the intel on board than with the 765M on nouveau. Nvidia drivers are pain to install, often clicking on "privative drivers" check does nothing, and you are still on a trip to install them yourself (Ubuntu actually install them tho). Have you got anything older than 3 generations? You are doomed, you need to use an older driver, which one? God knows. Would it work seamless? Hell no.

    Using propietary nvidia drivers means you need to use likely X11, wayland is not properly supported by nvidia, but, what does most of the easy distros use nowadays? Wayland, yes, the one that works a bit more flaky with the GPU that have 80% of the market according to Steam survey.

    Nvidia is not the only hardware guilty of failing, I have had issues with motherboards sound and network drivers too. Even in one old motherboard that was approved to work on whatever version existed in 2012 of redhat linux and Suse linux. The answer I got? Complain to Realtek or buy supported hardware, likely USB hardware which is (claimed to be) supported better.

    The installer are easy, if you decide to wipe out your hard drive and start from zero. Otherwise be ready to learn what is a swap partition, a boot, etc... If you have some important data in the hard drive, don't mess around, disconnect internally before installing.

    NTFS support is good.
    Supported games (if you manage to make it work through the driver) are surprisingly very good. Do not trust protondb or similar. I got a few games that I have been unable to run in spite of being gold rated. But could be an issue with my aforementioned "old hardware".

    Support, forums are hit or miss, I have very good experiences on openSuse forum, where a couple of people went the extramille to help me installing Nvidia. Can't say the same about Fedora, in which an absolute asshole, demonised me for showing a video of my issue on imgur (because I was unable to explain otherwise) and somehow, they couldn't see the video (the video was there, visible with my phone and computer).

    And the last issue for me is the updates. Every single linux system I got (except raspberry) has broken with the simple action of updating the system. Who is to blame for that? Me of course. In one case because I installed tumbleweed, which is a rolling distro, and you must not leave it without update for 1 month, because the system can't handle it.

    Other time, also me, because I clicked on update all button on KDE software center, when in reality, I shall have written certain command on the console before hand clicking a button that was nagging on my system tray to press update.

    I would like to have a seamless experience of install linux, spend 3 days configuring (with help) and then have a system I can use and forget, maybe even install in my moms computer without being afraid I will get the console after updating the system (but hey, dont worry because opensuse has a tool to revert to a previous point, just need my mom to know the command, and know when to use it). But honestly, today, that is not the case.

    As I said, that is my experience, always in 10 years old computers, with nvidia drivers, and trying to use the ports on the motherboard, without acquiring new hardware. I am sure, that after this comment I will get a lot of replies trying to invalidate my experience. And telling me how linux is the superwell tested software that runs everywhere, and their dad has been running ubuntu since years ago with not a single issue.

    My experience has been with Fedora, OpenSuse, Ubuntu and Manjaro. Now, be prepared when you say something about your distro, because you should try now, Debian Testing, Linux Mint, Arch Linux, Gentoo... instead.

    Do you have any alternatives? No, not much, you can deal with W11 if your hardware supports it. You can try the windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC which has support until 2032, pirating the system, because there is no other way. Or you can also start learning linux and tweaking around if that is your thing, just be prepared that anybody saying it is easy is lying. It is easier than before, not easy.

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  13. Comment on Do not fix bugs reported in your open source projects in ~comp

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    I reported a bug once to Lutris, it got marked as not our problem. Last time I ever reported a bug.

    I reported a bug once to Lutris, it got marked as not our problem.
    Last time I ever reported a bug.

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  14. Comment on Daily driving linux (Fedora KDE) - My experiences after a week in ~tech

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    Yes, it is definitely a Linux driver issue. It is surprising that one of the most common audio controller in all boards does not have an open source driver. But I guess, that Linux is thought to...

    Yes, it is definitely a Linux driver issue. It is surprising that one of the most common audio controller in all boards does not have an open source driver. But I guess, that Linux is thought to be run in a virtual desktop, and nobody cares about a real audio output enough to make the driver.

    The solution I found was to buy a USB audio card instead...

  15. Comment on Daily driving linux (Fedora KDE) - My experiences after a week in ~tech

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    What is likely happening, it is that all the time is sending the audio to the front jack, but you only realise when you plug them in. My experience with Fedora was that I had to come back to...

    What is likely happening, it is that all the time is sending the audio to the front jack, but you only realise when you plug them in.

    My experience with Fedora was that I had to come back to Windows because whilst the audio was playing through the back plug, every now on then, for a milisecond it switch to front and then back and it was extremely annoying.

    Well, in reality it was the answer I got from the Fedora forums when I asked for help what made me come back.

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