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  1. Comment on What games have you been playing, and what's your opinion on them? in ~games

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    Thanks, appreciate it! I'm missing a reference for what kids like as well, sorry if that was an odd question. The aesthetics look perfect, and I'll check in with my sibling about whether he'd...

    Thanks, appreciate it!

    I'm missing a reference for what kids like as well, sorry if that was an odd question. The aesthetics look perfect, and I'll check in with my sibling about whether he'd enjoy any of the minigames.

    I'd seen Bugsnax mentioned on Tildes some time ago and nixed it after seeing the "psychological horror" tag but I'm pretty sure I didn't understand the existential horror of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs or eating Flintstone-shaped vitamins until at least 5... and I have enough judgment to know that that means I shoudn't trust my own judgment about kids.

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  2. Comment on What games have you been playing, and what's your opinion on them? in ~games

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    Any chance this would be age appropriate for a 4 year old (with parents back-seating)? I have a nephew's birthday coming up and this looks great.

    Any chance this would be age appropriate for a 4 year old (with parents back-seating)? I have a nephew's birthday coming up and this looks great.

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  3. Comment on Putin grants citizenship to Edward Snowden in ~news

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    The most damning thing I can think of for Snowden is his defense of/continued relationship with Glenn Greenwald and Assange, who in turn have grown increasingly cozy with right-wing media. From...

    The most damning thing I can think of for Snowden is his defense of/continued relationship with Glenn Greenwald and Assange, who in turn have grown increasingly cozy with right-wing media. From memory that cozying for Assange being things like looking at being a guest host for Hannity, promoting the Seth Rich assassination conspiracy, or suppressing GOP leaks. For Greenwald things like being an advocate of Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones. Considering all the times Trump and others called for public execution of Snowden as the "punishment for traitors" it's hard not to speculate.

    I understand why Snowden isn't openly condemning the war (beyond I think a tweet in Feb saying he opposed it, and some previous somewhat muted criticisms of Russia).

    It's easy to condemn someone else to a lifetime in jail, and, from the treatment of Chelsea Manning and others, probably torture. His position on that I think has been fairly consistently(?) that he would return to the states if he had a trial by jury, but without that he would be made an example of and used to deter other whistleblowers

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  4. Comment on :-) is 40 years old now in ~comp

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    I see you... but I'm still going to go with angry kirby peaking out from the side of a building, because I would not have gotten that from the emoticon.

    royally ... the artist

    I see you... but I'm still going to go with angry kirby peaking out from the side of a building, because I would not have gotten that from the emoticon.

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  5. Comment on An AI-generated artwork won first place at a state fair fine arts competition, and artists are pissed in ~arts

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    I guess I grouped you in the context of what cfabbro was responding to: ...as arguing that the end product separate from the process was the only important thing. Sorry about that. If the creator...

    I guess I grouped you in the context of what cfabbro was responding to:

    Counterpoint: the art should hold up on its own merit.

    ...as arguing that the end product separate from the process was the only important thing. Sorry about that.

    If the creator put similar levels of thought into their product and had similar abilities to render those thoughts into a product as an artist that had spent the years they had developing their skills and time spent on a piece I wouldn't devalue using AI. I'd still say it's inappropriate for them to enter a contest if that process wasn't known/accepted.

    It also isn't inherent to AI generation of art. A painter will always have to spend a significant time developing their skills and more time working on a piece. In the future "award winning art" is probably going to be a viable prompt, and that won't require effort.

    We've just given names to the derivative styles that can all be eventually traced back to our origins.

    I get that, and tried to qualify that new styles can emerge from something like procedural/AI generation and an audience serving as a vote of good/bad, just that it is different. TwitchPlaysArt is not the same approach to finding a new style that a Van Gogh is.

    Going to be my last reply, cheers

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  6. Comment on An AI-generated artwork won first place at a state fair fine arts competition, and artists are pissed in ~arts

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    I don't blame you, and I'm pretty far from a luddite. I'm about to have an exhausting and socially fraught week and I've never been great with the social stuff. An appropriate use of technology...

    I don't blame you, and I'm pretty far from a luddite. I'm about to have an exhausting and socially fraught week and I've never been great with the social stuff. An appropriate use of technology stands to improve most aspects of life.

    The thought experiment was roughly a gradient experience machine, and at any step of it--when you're in it-- people are probably going to choose to keep using it. It's a higher-order value that it will be kinda heavy on the last day that humans are relevant, before you're posed with the "do I want a better or worse dinner" choices.

    If you're telling me you wouldn't feel it cheapened the experience a little if you found out something like your partner's wedding vows were taken from Hallmark or a good generator I don't share that intuition.

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  7. Comment on An AI-generated artwork won first place at a state fair fine arts competition, and artists are pissed in ~arts

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    I don't think art has to require immense effort, I just think the process/context is part of the art and may add value to the finished piece. I remember an early cloud service for brute-forcing...

    But this take that art should require immense effort is flawed.

    I don't think art has to require immense effort, I just think the process/context is part of the art and may add value to the finished piece.

    If the CNC or AI are somehow less than, then why?

    I remember an early cloud service for brute-forcing password hashes whose FAQ included something like: "Do we guarantee finding the password? No, we guarantee <some high number> combinations will be tried."

    The idea that AI generated art is akin to a Star Trek replicator is false. It's not replicating anything, it's created a new and unique item from inputs, not a copy.

    I went to an extreme with the AI prompt being "award winning photo" to try to highlight what is missing. Is that prompt art? What about "awesome space opera"?

    The end point of that spectrum requires no human thought or commitment. A painter at least spent a bit of time thinking, and they felt the painting was worth spending some number of hours on. The result of their work has that context embedded while the result of the AI does not.

    The AI may have its own inhuman meaning. Maybe even an arguably richer one. That sort of goes beyond the scope of this reply. When it goes wrong I think its something like Baudrillard's simulacra, where you have copies of copies that increasingly divorce themselves from reality/the source they want to correspond to, eventually becoming a self-referential truth of their own.

    No art is context free. It's all derivative of what came before it. The only context free art is from an infant kept in isolation coloring the walls with its own excrement.

    I mean, I'd argue that's a pretty substantial context. Feral children give huge (depressing) insights into the mind. It isn't a question of whether context exists or not (it always does) but what it adds to the story of an object.

    I'm also definitely not defending Andy Warhol or the art world. I don't know anything about it but the little bits I've heard suggest a bit of it is for tax shelters, pump and dumps, and vanity.

    Another point made above is that it's difficult to make a living making art despite the effort it takes to make it.

    That might be cfabbro's(?) but my point was a little different, which was about the ecosystem that these AI are trained in. They rely on centuries of funding artists. If artists stop existing in a post-Midjourney world maybe (definitely doesn't have to be the case) that ecosystem stagnates. e.g., if Midjourney was invented in the paleolithic you wouldn't be able to ask it to give you a Monet.

    Maybe it's saturated because making art isn't that hard.

    Honestly nothing is "hard" if we're getting into plausible AGI scenarios. There's nothing special about humans. There's nothing about your thoughts or emotions that aren't eventually subject to the same creeping line of progress that Ken Jenning's mentioned seeing before his loss to Watson. I think the dread of "human's need not apply" is a universal and more interesting conversation than one restricted to art.

    As a thought experiment, leap forward 4 to 400 years to when we have robust AGI.

    The AGI plays Cyrano de Bergerac when you meet your future spouse. Anything you can think to say to charm them it can do a lot better. It writes your wedding vows, chooses gifts for anniversaries, names your children. You could step in at any time but it's been demonstrated that will be suboptimal. In fact, you grew up with this AGI, and over billions of instances of it prompting you to make a choice and it giving a better alternative/outcome, you switched it from requiring approval to pending rejection. You go from asking it to make you award winning & heartfelt-looking art or choosing what you want to eat for dinner to being a passive discriminator waiting to tell it "no" or "less peas". But you tell it no less and less because it will never make a worse choice than you; actually it only improves every year. By the time you met your future spouse it chose them, and when they laugh at its jokes it's what's suggested by their AGI.

    I hope you share the intuition that that's kinda dystopian? If so, where on the spectrum from using Excel or other cognitive aides to make better buildings/art/conversation/etc., to having a strictly-better AI does it happen for you?

    One solution is what I led with: humans naturally care about human stuff. Call it human chauvinism or tie it in to knowing we have qualia. Sure, the AI is a billion times smarter than use, but we own it, we're keeping it, and we're going to use it to do the dishes and solve climate change while we find fulfillment in being in a jam band or cheering at a friend's concert. We get to endow meaning to activities just because we want to, so we say David Blaine can make a career out of human grit that resonates with us because we know what it feels like to try really hard at something.

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  8. Comment on An AI-generated artwork won first place at a state fair fine arts competition, and artists are pissed in ~arts

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    Humans care about [human] stories. I'm sure you can write several books on why: humans as expansions of our cognition, some consequence of the evolution of empathy, categorizing entities as...

    Humans care about [human] stories. I'm sure you can write several books on why: humans as expansions of our cognition, some consequence of the evolution of empathy, categorizing entities as agentic/non-agentic, etc. Stories matter, so provenance matters and deception in such is a bad thing.

    @cfabbro clarified that he viewed the deception as the problem, and the use of Midjourney as different from just using another tool/medium. A chainsaw vs a chisel aren't different in the ways a replicator and relic are.

    It's closer to if it was found out Magnus Carlson's legal name was Chadworth and he had smuggled in a computer named Magnus into all of his matches. Since AI can play the best game of chess the audience got to see a better game played. It took some skill to operate the software. No one wants to watch a computer play chess, though.

    Say you have a holy relic that has been visited by countless people for a thousand years in arduous pilgrimages. Is it okay to swap it out with a perfect replica? Are the objects equivalent? The utility of it for the adherents may by the same, and they may appreciate it just as much. IIRC the middle ages had over a dozen claimed "holy grails" that were used as attractions for churches, and many people don't care if the weeping of a statue of the Virgin Mary comes from leaky pipes.

    You can argue that's a victimless crime if it never gets found out. In the case of someone like Mark Landis' donated art forgeries maybe you could even argue that having a dozen holy grails added value and wasn't coming from a bad place or desire to enrich himself.

    One argument against the act of creating a deceptive provenance/history/context/whatever for an object is that the story contains the important information. How would you look at this differently if you were told it was:

    • A self-portrait of an artist as their Alzheimer's progressed. (what it is)
    • From a family member taking care of a parent with cognitive decline.
    • Drawn by a person who lied about having experience with Alzheimer's.
    • A series of images re-fed into an AI with the prompt "this but worse".
    • An AI that was input some sentiment extracted from tweets of old-to-young age groups.

    A painter who spent a dozen years developing skills has changed visual saccades. They've spent years thinking about their style and what it conveys, and if they spend a month on a piece they're submitting to a contest that's a month of human thought and feeling embedded in the work, compared to a hypothetical AI "award winning painting" prompt.

    It's not like an AI is context free. It's still trained on real people, so it's concerning when chatbots quickly become racist or funny when unsupervised learning learns the internet is made of cat videos. It's different from an individual person, though.

    Another argument is that there's always a risk of the real provenance being found and that harms trust on a societal level. One day you catch a partner that was cheating on you in an otherwise side-effect free way in the act. Suddenly the meaning you constructed around years of that relationship collapse and you're infected by doubt. How can you believe anything anyone says, when you have an example of someone reality and claimed reality being indistinguishable? Why would you believe a leaked video of Romney talking about the takers in society when in a dozen years you can get the same video from "video, Romney, political hit piece"?

    A last argument is that beyond the value of the art itself, there's a difference in the reward of the competition going towards the career of an aspiring artist vs. someone using Midjourney. A long while back I shared a small experience about an infomercial that rebranded contact juggling as Fushigi. One of the consequences of the infomercial was performers had people primed to the idea that contact juggling was a trick instead of a skill. The ball did the work, not the years of practice.

    So what would have happened if that killed the profession? New tricks wouldn't be developed to use for the next infomercial. Maybe we'll stop having new "..., Van Gogh, , artstation" prompts to slip in when any graphic designer gets laughed at for wanting to make a living. Or maybe there would be, but with the source of it inverted from generating painter to distributed discriminating audience? That could be better or worse, but it is different.

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  9. Comment on 4.2 gigabytes, or: how to draw anything in ~creative

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    There's an example of integrating stable diffusion with Photoshop that's pretty cool.

    There's an example of integrating stable diffusion with Photoshop that's pretty cool.

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  10. Comment on Photography feedback in ~creative

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    Also not artisticly-informed or inclined. The piece on the left reminds me of a glass pawn and also of a door knob. In the pawn take the significance of a tipped pawn vs a king gives a bit of a...

    Also not artisticly-informed or inclined.

    The piece on the left reminds me of a glass pawn and also of a door knob.

    In the pawn take the significance of a tipped pawn vs a king gives a bit of a split mood. The piece itself still looks like an unbroken pawn, with the curving of the head of it making it a little ambiguous (to someone that ain't great at recognizing stuff) if there was a larger head than implied or another joint on top of it that is the source for the other broken pieces. Much of what's broken is blurred. It could be that an inconsequential piece was broken and the game continues, or that "en passant" someone who felt insignificant caused harm. It could be about being 'Broken' or not being broken, just being in an environment that makes that hard to know.

    In the doorknob take the straigh-ish- lines on the right become the frame of the door. The speckles of white give a nice "spacey" feel to fit some sort of strange door that shouldn't exist. The lines aren't perfectly straight, the angling of the handle doesn't match, and maybe the dark of the lines isn't a depth-cue about the side of the door but dark leaking into the room-- all very good traits for very bad doors.

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  11. Comment on Thermal paste and toddlers in ~talk

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    Halloween is coming up and I hear heat sink and TEC costumes are really popular this year if you want a redo? If you are going to overclock your children it's a good idea to use twins for the...

    Halloween is coming up and I hear heat sink and TEC costumes are really popular this year if you want a redo?

    If you are going to overclock your children it's a good idea to use twins for the timings. Can your kids run Crysis yet?

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  12. Comment on What’s something you’ve been mulling over recently? in ~talk

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    Worth noting that this was probably due to ignorance not fraud:

    DeSantis found 20 illegal voters in 2022

    Worth noting that this was probably due to ignorance not fraud:

    When Romona Oliver registered to vote in early 2020 at the Hillsborough Tax Collector’s office, she was asked if she had a felony conviction. She said yes.

    The women helping her with the form submitted it, Oliver said. She said she was never asked specifically if her right to vote had been restored. ...

    Oliver said she’d read about Amendment 4, a constitutional amendment approved by about 65% of Floridians in 2018, which restored the voting rights of most felons who had completed all terms of their sentence.

    No one told her she didn’t qualify under Amendment 4; the law doesn’t apply to those with sex offenses or murder charges. She registered as a Democrat and got her voter card in the mail.

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  13. Comment on Fortnightly Programming Q&A Thread in ~comp

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    Duplicati works pretty well for me, though I don't have any extreme needs! It's storage-agnostic and feature-rich (including data integrity/encryption). Usable with CLI or web UI.

    Duplicati works pretty well for me, though I don't have any extreme needs! It's storage-agnostic and feature-rich (including data integrity/encryption). Usable with CLI or web UI.

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  14. Comment on These caves shouldn't exist. Or, at the very least, we can't yet explain them. in ~humanities

  15. Comment on What are your favorite any% speedrun videos? in ~games

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    I remember liking a randomized Legend of Zelda - Link to the Past run that (I think?) was debuting a Twitch extension called Crowd Control which let the audience impact the game in a variety of...

    I remember liking a randomized Legend of Zelda - Link to the Past run that (I think?) was debuting a Twitch extension called Crowd Control which let the audience impact the game in a variety of helpful/aesthetic/harmful ways (ice physics, inverted controls, one-hit deaths, lagomorphery, superspeed, chicken attacks, etc.).

    Mechanically it isn't noteworthy so it might not be of any interest, but the couch was great, the audience was great. The banter was lighthearted. Lots of tense moments or surprise deaths.

    I think it stuck with me because it seemed like it was a glimpse of something that might be common in the future, some less passive audience-entertainer interaction, without the pessimism of the colosseum / Hungers Games-y depictions. Something where there could be a layer of community adjustment on top of games to make a 5 year old, a tired adult, or a world-class speedrunner have an appropriate amount of challenge/novelty/etc.

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  16. Comment on Flags are not languages in ~humanities

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    Great post, and something I'd never thought about very much! You can use a globe/文 for the abstraction of switching languages, but I think there's still a case for a graphical representation of...

    Great post, and something I'd never thought about very much!

    You can use a globe/文 for the abstraction of switching languages, but I think there's still a case for a graphical representation of specific languages.

    You could have flags for languages like this vexillology post. Those might never take off, but you could piggyback knowledge of national flags and their associated languages by adding some modifier of national flag(s) (stitched together, if there's more than one) most associated with a language, like four corners for Canadian/U.S./GB/Australia with a superimposed globe? Or a tongue.

    Not really an area I know about, but the benefits of icons that come to mind are:

    • Consistency. To match the display choice used for other items
    • Sizing. Make it as small/large as desired, and keep dimensions consistent for the layout
    • Aesthetics. ISO codes not the prettiest
    • Universality. A flag is the same flag anywhere. Language selection usually has the name of the language as seen in that language (?) so if you accidentally change to Swahili you can find your way back. Do ISO codes work for non-Latin alphabets? Does someone from Japan look for Nipponese or Japanese?
    • Self-describing function. Probably not useful for language, unlike the aposematism of hazard warnings, but it would be interesting to try to translate what a language feels like into an icon

    I was curious about pidgin languages like Hawaiian pidgin, which gets you into ISO 639-3, along with traditional Hawaiian (missing from the other ISO 639?), creole, and two types of sign language.

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  17. Comment on Will Smith: It’s been a minute… in ~movies

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    We aren't Chris Rock and I'm not impacted, but public actions have public consequences even if they're diffuse. "Deserve" is sort of a loaded term, but I think if I was in Will Smith's position...

    We aren't Chris Rock and I'm not impacted, but public actions have public consequences even if they're diffuse. "Deserve" is sort of a loaded term, but I think if I was in Will Smith's position I'd probably want to publicly apologize.

    I'd bet lots of women with hair loss had a span of getting mocked from it getting elevated to the national conscious. Probably half the people I knew in college that did stand-up had pretty bad anxiety and thinking about copycats definitely wouldn't help.

    His son tweeting, "That's how we do it" buys into the sort of honor culture and normalization of violence that makes revenge a necessity in gangs, whoopings the right way to raise a kid, and men picking fights for partners who don't want that.

    Jaden didn't grow up in that environment and Will Smith isn't going to jail, but he's a celebrity and he knows he has influence. I've got no strong opinions about whether it was a good apology or if one is deserved, but I don't think anything but a public-facing statement makes sense for him if that's the sort of impact he regrets.

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  18. Comment on What have you been eating, drinking, and cooking? in ~food

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    Hummus is pretty good on cinnamon raisin bagels, if you've never tried it! Well, maybe not the taijin type, whose strange pricing urges caution.

    Hummus is pretty good on cinnamon raisin bagels, if you've never tried it! Well, maybe not the taijin type, whose strange pricing urges caution.

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  19. Comment on What did you do this week (and weekend)? in ~talk

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    Congrats! A parent has had several years of pretty awful dental situations for a number of reasons... definitely something I'd never wish on anyone.

    Congrats!

    A parent has had several years of pretty awful dental situations for a number of reasons... definitely something I'd never wish on anyone.

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  20. Comment on Feature request: Filter out sites in ~tildes

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    If you want a quick Tamper/Greasemonkey script (and if Adys solution isn't better) I think this should work: // ==UserScript== // @name Tildes Site Block // @match https://tildes.net/* // @icon...

    If you want a quick Tamper/Greasemonkey script (and if Adys solution isn't better) I think this should work:

    // ==UserScript==
    // @name         Tildes Site Block
    // @match        https://tildes.net/*
    // @icon         https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?sz=64&domain=tildes.net
    // ==/UserScript==
    
    (function() {
        'use strict';
        
        // Sites you want to remove
        var sites = ["youtube.com"]
        var sources = document.getElementsByClassName('topic-info-source');
        for(var source of sources)
            if(sites.find(el => el.includes(source.title)))
                source.parentNode.parentNode.style = 'display: none'; //or just .remove() it
    }
    
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