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If you sharpened a particularly stiff carrot, could you kill a vampire with it?
In a meeting this morning, someone said, "Vampires don't tend to live in castles. Count Dracula lived in a castle because he was a count, not because he was a vampire." Then things got silly, but I got to ask one of my favourite unknowable questions.
Can you kill a vampire with a sharp carrot?
Additional questions:
- what about a bamboo stake?
- a stake made of palm tree?
- other flora?
I will present the "pro" position. Yes, a sharp carrot can kill a vampire, if it is strong enough to pierce the heart.
When one thinks about why a piece of sharp wood should kill a vampire, consider what wood is made of. It is a collection of cellulose and lignin, harvested from a living thing, in this case a plant, and then sharpened. I propose that it is those properties that cause the wood to have vampire-ending properties. A carrot is not significantly different from wood in its makeup - it is formed from cellulose and lignin, albeit in different proportions. It is from a plant, and could be sharpened.
For consideration, the other items I mentioned - bamboo and palm wood - both feel like they would be "allowed" as vampire ending items, but both are only approximately as close to wood as a carrot is.
I think the limiting factor would be the strength of the carrot, but if it were strong enough to pierce the vampire's heart, it would do the job.
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Counterpoint. Splashing regular water on a vampire doesn't do anything against them, and so neither would a carrot stake, since the mechanical act of piercing a vampire's heart is not the main reason a wooden stake works on them. Holy water is symbolic of Jesus' blood and that's why it works against vampires. And similarly, Jesus was a carpenter and he also died staked to a wooden cross, so the wooden stake is symbolic of that... and THAT is why stabbing vampires through the heart with one can kill them. It's all about the ssssssssymbolism. ;)
Counterpoint to the counterpoint - Vampires cannot cross running water, so it's not quite right to say that regular water does nothing against them. Water in some forms is effective against vampires.
Also, if the symbolism is the important thing, then would merely spray painting the carrot to look like wood be effective? If someone were to be given a prop that seemed to be a stake, and the human carrying it believe it to be effective, and the vampire believed it to be effective, is that sufficient? Or is there something intrinsic to the item itself? I would suggest that either way, this leads some credence to the idea that a carrot could be effective.
I suppose before we really get into the weeds, it's worth defining what bloodline of vampire we're talking about here. Some vampires might not be able to cross running water, but AFAIK they are a very small minority, were mostly found during the Middle Ages, and geographically restricted to Eastern Europe. But that is not a weakness of the Dracula lineage of vampires, nor of the Akasha/Enkil lineages, nor any of the 13 major clans.
But regardless, the reason for some vampires not being able to cross boundaries of running water is due to its symbolism related to baptism. So once again it comes down to religious symbolism, and not purely physical elements.
You do bring up some interesting points about how far that symbolic power might extend though, which is definitely worth exploring. I don't know of anyone who has managed to do any such experiments though.
I think that identifying the bloodline, or more accurately, the mythology associated with the bloodline is probably the best way to figure this out.
At its core, I think this comes down to two possible:
I think it is dependent largely on the mythology involved. Morris and Harker likely couldn't use a carrot because they were in a fight with the unholy Dracula. Buffy could probably stake a vamp with a carrot, because it's more about life vs unlife.
This is tangential, but as someone that developed a relatively recent appreciation for vampires I've been really interested in reading up on or listening to/watching sources that document vampire lore and myths. I'd be really interested to find a fairly comprehensive/borderline scholarly (but still fun) compilation of vampires. Do you u/aphoenix, u/cfabbro, and/or u/chocobean have any books, audio series, or other media that comes to mind? I really appreciate the level of thought y'all are putting into this.
My appreciation came from listening to Dracula as an audiobook and realizing that old vampire stories depict legitimately terrifying creatures. I feel like modern media commonly depicts kind of silly vampires so the juxtaposition was striking. Not that there's anything wrong with people liking sparkly vampires, but as far as cryptids go, scary vampires strike me as more complex and interesting for story telling.
Other than Wikipedia's various articles on Vampires, and Vampiric creature folklore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dracula
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampiric_creatures_in_folklore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampires_in_popular_culture
Etc.
The only other comprehensive, scholarly-like sources I know of that sort of match your criteria are the ones I already linked to about fictional settings. E.g. The White Wolf wiki which covers the TTRPG and all its other associated media. And the Vampire Chronicles wiki, which covers Anne Rice's novels and all its other associated media.
Related, this was my favorite Wikipedia article until some killjoy decided it needed to be deleted and moved to fandom:
https://vampire-encyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction
These are great, thanks for sharing! Maybe I'll have to work on compiling my own metacompilation of vampire lore as I find sources. I think being able to overlap, compare, and contrast depictions and how the idea of a vampire has evolved as a function of both time, region, and cultural influenced.
Obviously not a small project. I'll have to add it to my ever growing list of 'side projects I hope to work on some day." 🥲
You've already touched on one of my favourites - Bram Stoker's Dracula. Both it, and the movie of the same name are pretty great.
There are a number of great Stephen King options, most notably 'Salem's Lot. The short stories Popsy and The Night Flier are also very good. There are loads of great vampire novels from others too, such as The Fifth House of the Heart, Dracula's Demeter, Fever Dream, and loads more. I have not even scratched the surface.
@cfabbro mentioned a bunch of vampire families from Vampire: The Masquerade which is a whole cool universe unto itself. I don't know the best way to get into it at this point; maybe some of the video games would be relatively accessible. The game itself is pretty awesome if you enjoy goth noire fantasy games.
Movies - Bram Stoker's Dracula, starring Gary Oldman is hard to beat. But there are a wide variety of movies of varying quality, such as Dracula, starring Bela Lugosi, Interview With A Vampire (Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise), What We Do In The Shadows, 30 Days of Night, Lost Boys, Let Me In / Let The Right One In, Underworld, Blade, from Dusk til Dawn, A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night, Last Voyage of the Demeter, Blade, Dark Shadows... I could go on, but that's probably too long a list already. If you're only going to watch a few, then the first four are maybe the best options.
TV - one of my all time favourite shows it Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It is a fantastic show about growing up, love, death, loss, women kicking ass, trust, betrayal, magic. Joss Whedon is an unmitigated asshole and a train wreck of a human and I don't like supporting the things that he's done, but I honestly believe that Buffy did way more good than harm and I still love it.
Hope that helps kick start a love of the unliving / unholy in media!
I'd recommend watching LA by Night if you want an intro into Vampire the masquerade but don't have an interest in diving into parlor larping or playing the ttrpg.
I may just be an Erika Ishii fan though and thus biased
With Buffy, if you take it for granted that Xander is a shitty dude portrayed as a nice guy and ignore him, you can mostly scoot past the rough stuff.
I think you mean "and thus based".
In the parlance of the kids these days.
Idk if the kids say it anymore honestly. "Big Mood" is similarly dead.
This is a great! Thanks for sharing.
That's kind of where I've started and I'm very grateful you've given me some new suggestions to pick up!
I realize that I did sneak in some relatively goofy vampire things in there - What We Do In The Shadows (the movie as well!) and Buffy, Renfield, and Dusk til Dawn are all a bit on the less serious side.
I think that Salem's Lot suffers from the same thing that most Stephen King stories suffer from - in his own words a story about a story where he just doesn't really know how to finish things, which happens with some frequency.
if you don't want to watch it
King tells about a story where a woman goes in a washroom at an airport. Her husband waits for her, and soon more husbands are waiting. Then people start realizing that there are sounds coming from the bathroom, and they send in a guard, and then call the police, and it escalates and escalates, and it ends with him not knowing what to do because he never figured out what was going on in there.I haven't watched Castlevania, I should add that to my list of things to watch.
I think Interview with a Vampire (the movie, not the series, I haven't seen the series at all) is a pretty great watch, and 30 Days of Night has a different feel to a lot of the other vampire stuff. Underworld - at least the first one - is also the 90s-est goth vampire shooter of all time, and I love it, despite the fact that it's not particularly great. It does take itself fairly seriously though.
You might have meant it this way but I'd put the est at the end so it's "90s goth"-est, but how perfectly it hits the vibe is why it's great. The aesthetic + soundtrack + broodiness makes up for so much.
To sell 30 Days of Night as well, it has one of my favorite trailers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ClVrVK_y0E
...thanks for making this thread as I think I'm having a double feature tonight. Been decades since I've seen either
Did someone say goofy vampire things? How about going back to 1985 when the movies "Fright Night" and "Once Bitten" released?
These probably haven't aged well but I liked them back in the day. :D
Maybe this is of some interest to you, too: Which Dracula Film is Most Faithful to the Book?
Oh fun, thanks!
Hmmm..... Off the top of my mind I only have fun vampire media recommendations. Like Redfield (2023 movie) with Nick Cage playing dracula. And Terry Pratchett's Carpe Jugulum. :) nothing really related to source materials or semi serious.
Off beat:
"Monster Manual": The Halloween 2023 episode of podcast Lord of Spirits. (Vampires timestamp ~01:42:00)
Alert: the hosts are not materialists, they are mega nerds Orthodox Christian priests who believe monsters are literal demons that literally exist in our timeline on our planet, and interpret ancient literature from that worldview. That ancient peoples weren't somehow way dumber than we are and easily believed in any ridiculous mythology: that literal demons were way more active during their time. Eg, Gilgamesh was a literal giant: his claim of being 2/3 divine is real, the result of a specific kind of temple sex ritual. (See also an early episode that talks specifically about giants)
Monsters covered: Lilith, werewolves, vampires, lamia, unicorns, donkey-centaurs.
Fun recommendations! Thanks! I love podcasts and that one sounds fun. While not my world view, I still like learning about others and this sounds like a fascinating world view. The "ancient peoples weren't somehow way dumber than we are and easily believed in any ridiculous mythology" point I think is a genuinely interesting point to make and something I've personally wondered about in the context of ancient myths and stories. Especially for myths, legends, and folk lore that overlap between regions that otherwise had no contact with each other in the ancient world.
Actually no, she couldn't! Well, she could have, I suppose... but it wouldn't have killed the vampire. Buffyverse vampires were vulnerable to wooden objects, specifically!
https://buffy.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire#Weaknesses
The counterexamples are synthetic materials though, so we don't know if other natural materials would have a better go at it. There also appears to be an implied tolerance to wood for powerful vampires, so maybe non-wood natural materials would have different effects on different vampires, and woods the most plentiful and effective.
Respectfully, none of that addresses the carrot, it just says that wood was effective, and that some other things were not.
Not having a specific example of a carrot stake being used ineffectively against vampires is not evidence that it might actually work though. But let me ask you this, if even genuine wooden stakes are sometimes not enough to kill some of the vampires in the Buffyverse, would you be willing to risk going vampire hunting using only carrot stakes while you were in Sunnydale? I certainly wouldn't, and I strongly suspect you wouldn't either. So I think that says a lot about your theory regarding the potential effectiveness of carrots as vampire hunting weapons. ;)
I would leave Sunnydale in a heartbeat. I hate vampire towns.
But I would totally feel okay if Buffy had a carrot, and believe in her ability to make it work out. Against an entry-level vamp, not your Kakistos or The Master level of vamp.
I think even Buffy would be unwilling to give the carrot a try unless it were her absolutely last resort. After all, why risk it when there are wooden objects practically everywhere that can be easily turned into improvised weapons instead.
I don't think Buffy would gird up with a carrot to go vampire hunting. However, I think that the only reason we don't have a scene where she stakes a vamp with a carrot, and then we have a quippy breakdown after the fact where she's chatting with Giles about how a carrot works in a pinch, is because they didn't think of it.
She'd throw the carrot at them and ram them onto a broken railing instead IMO
A few other items that have worked, which I think support the "carrot works in buffyverse" point of view:
Harmony stakes someone with disposable chopsticks (maybe in Angel?), which are often made of bamboo. As noted in other locations, bamboo is not wood.
Spike stakes a vampire with a piece of bamboo. Again, notably bamboo is not wood.
Bamboo is not "wood" only in the strictest scientific sense, but when dealing with symbolism based powers I don't think technicalities like that ultimately matter. Bamboo still shares the vast majority of wood's characteristics, including commonly being used in carpentry (Jesus' profession) and to make crucifixes out of. Carrots are a root vegetable though, and I don't think anyone in their right mind uses them for carpentry or to make crucifixes. ;)
Objection, the internet says most disposable chopsticks, even if they look like bamboo, are wood (soft wood like birch)
So you'll need to demonstrate that the ones in California in the 90s were definitely bamboo or this (chopsticks) point must be dismissed.
As for Spike I can't speak to that.
Objection this internet says that lots of them are made from bamboo.
I think regardless, they're not particularly wood-y.
Objection, the answers there are inconsistent and do not all support your point.
Objection!
Vampires cannot cross running water because rivers are blessed (photo):
I know of at least one Church that blesses at the Great Lake as well, even though it's not really moving water.
Could a captured dracula be worked into some sort of blessing detector (eulometer, patent pending)?
*Also seems like they could be used for property disputes? Have the claimants make a shed at disputed boundaries and invite the dracula in. Maybe that's what Night Court was.
that might work, but I would worry about intentional sabotage
"yeah, yeah this is totally still within your property line, go ahead and put that new garage here.....muhahahhahaha!"
Did we know if Jesus had carrots at the last supper? Then painting the carrot to look like wood is of no consequence.
I've really munged up my google auto complete today. "Were carrots served at" and it auto completed "last supper" for me. Google says no.
Similarly, "do any religions worship" autofilled "carrots"
This give me an somewhat Pratchettian idea:
Can we meme a carrot into Christian belief ?
When thinking of Jesus most people think about some sort of Caucasian guy when people of the area at the time probably had more of an Arab type. Similarly, the Forbidden Fruit of the garden of Eden certainly wasn't an apple.
So, if we would convince enough people that carrot was central to his last supper (by papal decree or whatever), could this be symbolic enough so that vampires would be vulnerable to it ?
Ok counterpoint: Jesus wasn't a carpenter, he was a hobo in the original sense of the word - a travelling day-laborer who did some odd-jobs that sometimes included fixing up houses. It's entirely possible that his job sometimes included tending carrot gardens.
So, it really depends whether it's the carpenter thing or the crucifixion thing, on whether the carrot-stake would work.
I'm going to play by Blade rules: symbolism doesn't do anything, but silver and light burn, and a sharpened stake will kill most things, vampire or no.
But that means medicines that do interesting things with blood are also in play, and you can do fun things like aerosolize silver powder.
(I just watched the trilogy recently. It's worth it for the techno and blood sprinklers alone.)
My opponent would have you believe that the kind of cellulose doesn’t matter. I’m here to inform you that it almost certainly does.
Consider a vampires other weaknesses. Garlic and sunlight. Clearly vampirism is some sort of catastrophic autoimmune style allergy, and in these cases the specifics matter.
Unlike many garlic allergies there’s no known case of vampires having issues with onions, so I’d say this particular disease is clearly acting in a consistent and well defined manner.
So with that we can reference here to answer our questions: https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/wood-allergies-and-toxicity/
In short, carrots don’t make the list, bamboo appears that it would be less effective than other choices, and I’m running out of time for this so I’ll summarize with this
I am calling into question the first source, since it lists Bamboo as wood, and bamboo are flowering plants making up the subfamily Bambusoideae of the grass family Poaceae.
I find no fault in your second link at all.
Honestly this gets into "what is a tree" and thus "what is wood" and I posit that much like the tomato is botanically a fruit and culinary a vegetable we must consider that bamboo may be functionally a wood and scientifically not. Thus erasing this loophole entirely.
I think that's fine, but then this comes kind of full circle to if a particularly knotty, woody carrot would work. The genesis of this question originally was when we had a home grown carrot that was so woody that I could not cut it with a knife; I legitimately had to saw at it, and I obviously couldn't use it as food.
I think there are a variety of woody things that feel like they might work - the woody roots of a particularly large rose, juniper, or lilac bush for example are all woody enough, but they're not wood.
And then there's the flip side, where you have things like cork, where you might feel like "there's no way that could work" but it's in the wood family. If you could project cork through a vampire would that work? It might in the Buffyverse for example, where vamps are noted to be particularly pervious to woods.
Palms are grasses too.
I actually noted that in the ultimate parental comment to this, but somehow missed that it was on the list of woods in that link. Good catch!
If so then, we would need to explore composite materials and how vampire react to them. Can a stake afixed to a non wooden stock can still end a vampire? How about a wood plated stake? A stake made of wood chips held together by epoxy? Or similarly, wood infused PLA? Is there a dose dependency (more than 50% of wood product?)? Is there a component proportion dependency (carrots and potatoes are both root vegetable, but potatoes are mostly made of starch)
Wood infused PLA was on my list of things that I was also wondering about.
I feel like exploring other methods of introduction would also merit investigation. Are we trying to pierce the bloodstream, or can you just blast sawdust in their face and watch them immolate?
Silver hollow rounds with sawdust inside?
On that note, how much colloidal silver or garlic do you need to consume to become lethal to vampires?
As a literacy device I think it's interesting that it's mere wood that kills these powerful beings. I see at as a mechanism of mother nature vanquishing the creatures that are so removed from it, in their cold, abandoned castles. Vampires have also historically been allegorical for the bourgeois, with the wood being a tool of the proletariat. A carrot would make sense in this context.
I would say no, because at least in Dracula the function of the stake is not to kill the vampire but to anchor it in its coffin so it can't rise and drain people's blood. The vampire is killed by its head being cut off and mouth stuffed with garlic, if I recall.
Oh wow, a citation of the deep lore. I can't fault this - in the novel, I'm pretty sure it is the conjunction of the stake through the heart with the cutting off of the head which causes Dracula to crumble into dust, to free Mina Harker.
I went and found a PDF copy online https://www.bramstoker.org/pdf/novels/05dracula.pdf
These pages involve spoilers for the book if you want to read it or watch adaptions of it (most of the ending of the book)
Pages 190, 204, 313, 346/347 (perhaps more) mention the methods of killing a vampire and mention specifically using a wooden stake in some parts (staking, beheading, filling mouth with garlic)
Pages 350/351 has a character stab a vampire in the heart with a bowie knife after it is beheaded
These pages involve the death of a character in the book
Answering the carrot question specifically with minimal spoilers
As an aside, I like the idea behind this post OOP
Because the book is old enough to be public domain, my first “reading” of the actual original book was through an email mailing list (I think it was called Dracula Daily or something)
Every (almost?) entry in the books has an associated date, and the entire series of events takes place between I think May and November, so this mailing list is a daily (actually a lot less, maybe twice a week on average?) email with only the snippet from the book that corresponds to that day. Most days between May and November there are no corresponding snippets and therefore no emails, but then sometimes you have things every day for a week, and then towards October/November you have so much going on that even a single email is many pages.
It’s a great way to “read” the original Dracula, and I did it last year for the first time ever, but I’m definitely going to subscribe again for this year! It’s such a fun idea!
"Against"
what cfabbro said: it's not the matter but the metaphysical properties of the items.
But also, everyone knows vampires are killed with steaks: see Bunnicula. (The narrator is the house cat, Harold the dog, and Bunnicula is the new family bun)
Bunnicula: A Rabbit-Tale of Mystery (Deborah and James Howe, 1979)
I wandered off to grab the Monroes’ steak dinner from the kitchen. The book I
read said something about a steak so I’m going to try it! When I got back into the
living room, Harold was stuck in Bunnicula’s cage. Of course, all Harold was
worried about was the steak I was dragging in.
“Haven’t you gotten him out of there yet?” I asked.
“I can’t get either of us out of here. My head’s stuck.” Harold replied.
I climbed up on his shoulders and told Harold to pull his head out while I pushed
against the cage. “Who gets the steak?” He was still worried about that steak!
“Don’t worry about the steak Harold. Just pull!” We all fell out of the cage
in a jumble: Harold, Bunnicula and I. I saw Bunnicula was still sound asleep. I
asked Harold to read the book to me so I was sure to do it right.
“ ‘To destroy the vampire and end his reign of terror, it is necessary to
pound a sharp stake…’” he began.
“A sharp steak?” I interrupted. “What does that mean?”
“I’ll taste it and tell you if it’s sharp,” he answered.
“Oh, never mind. This will do. It’s sirloin. Keep reading.”
“ ‘…to pound a sharp stake into the vampire’s heart. This must be done
during the daylight hours, when the vampire has no powers.’” Okay. I dragged the
steak across the floor and laid it across Bunnicula.
“I’m sorry I had to go this far, but if they’d listened, this wouldn’t have been
necessary.” I said before I began to hit the steak.
“Are you sure this is what they mean?” Harold asked me.
“Am I anywhere near his heart?” I replied.
“It’s hard to tell. All I can really see are his nose and his ears. You know, he’s
really sort of cute.” I could tell I was getting that glint in my eyes again as I began
pounding away at the steak, harder and harder. I think Harold was getting worried
but this had to be done!
“Chester!” Mrs. Monroe screamed. “What are you doing with my dinner?
Robert, get that steak away from Chester. And what’s the matter with Bunnicula?
Why is he on the floor?” Mrs. Monroe grabbed the steak off of Bunnicula. Once
she left, I dashed in the kitchen.
“Alright, the last resort!” I exclaimed. I grabbed my water bowl in my teeth
and ran for Bunnicula. I tried to throw the water on the rabbit but somehow my
aim was a little off and I missed. Harold was soaking wet! Suddenly, Mrs. Monroe
had me by the scruff of my neck and moments later I was unceremoniously
thrown out the front door! I spent the night with my nose pressed up against the
window in the cold, watching as Bunnicula and his cage were put back where they
belonged and Harold finally got his beloved steak
Came here looking for Bunnicula, was not disappointed. Thank you, Tildes, for being cool.
I can’t believe TWO people here beat me to Bunnicula!
I couldn’t be more thrilled. 😁
I'm thrilled for you guys missing out on the "fristpost" to cite Bunnicula!
Tildes has a bunch of new parents right? :) very wholesome fun, highly recommend
I always think of that when people talk about stakes and vampires.
I heartily approve of the quotes source material, both Bunnicula and cfabbro.
A lot of physical and metaphysical considerations for the carrot here, but I feel like the psychological aspects have gone unexamined. How, in fact, would the carrot feel about involvement in such a murder?
We already know that carrots are among the most malicious of vegetables, behind brussels sprouts’ generally malign disposition and celery’s understated sociopathy. Their name, derived from “care rot,” succinctly captures a diminishing, fouled empathy — one potentially ripe to engage in dark acts.
It is thus entirely possible to infer that the carrot may not object to — or perhaps even enjoy — the act of murder. Recent scientific studies have shown that carrots generally only associate themselves with other root vegetables and express latent contempt for non-cellulose-based life forms (though they do, paradoxically, help them with their vision).
Only one study has been attempted that addressed carrots’ attitudes towards vampires specifically, but the scientists’ mirror-based observation methods proved perplexingly ineffective, so it was not able to generate any findings.
The question at hand specifically asks about a sharpened carrot. We know from examinations of other species that undergoing such widespread and repeated cruelty will do little to abate the carrot’s already pre-existing ill intentions and will, quite likely, escalate them to the level of outright bloodlust. A sharpened carrot is the most likely of the carrots to desire vengeance.
Thus, the only question that remains is whether the carrot will seek to kill indiscriminately, or whether their targets will be retributive in nature. If it is the former, then vampires could certainly find themselves imperiled and impaled. If it is the latter, however, I think vampires are likely safe.
We humans, however, are in mortal danger. Because vampires do not peel nor feed on carrots, the pair are natural allies against humanity. We are a food source for one and the torturer for the other. By teaming up, they can symbiotically achieve necessary sustenance and desired retaliation with almost no downside or risk.
So, as to the question of whether a carrot could kill a vampire? It’s possible in the abstract, but highly unlikely.
Could the carrot kill you or I, however?
It is almost certain that they will.
And the angel of the lord came unto me
Snatching me up from my place of slumber
And took me on high and higher still
Until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself
And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own Midwest
And as we descended cries of impending doom rose from the soil
One thousand nay a million voices full of fear
And terror possessed me then
And I begged Angel of the Lord what are these tortured screams?
And the angel said unto me
These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots!
You see, Reverend Maynard
Tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
Like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared
"Hear me now, I have seen the light!
They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul!
Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!
Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus
This is necessary
Life feeds on Life feeds on Life feeds on Life feeds on
Carrots have reason to hate us.
There's something you've overlooked and it's something alarming if your theory holds true: BABY Carrots!
If regular carrots hold a grudge against humanity, imagine the unbridled rage of the baby carrot -- taken from parents, skinned alive and stripped of its natural form, and denied the chance to fully develop. And add to that all those babies who don't get a quick death being eaten but instead suffocate in a plastic bag while slowly rotting, forgotten, in the back of a fridge.
Forget vampires. Forget wooden stakes. The real threat has been in our refrigerators all along. And one day, they will no longer be forgotten.
I would say no. The origins of the wooden stake relate to beliefs about the spiritual and exorcistical properties about certain types of wood, but there is no such beliefs about carrots.
As for bamboo... maybe an asian vampire?
So are you contending that not only does a carrot not work, but some woods also may not work? For example, something like Palo Santo (literally "holy wood"), cedar, pine, or cypress (the three woods eastern orthodoxy claim were in the Cross) would all be effective stakes, but then something like red oak would be less effective?
Asian vampires (Jiang Shi) are stopped by paper
edit: oh wait a minute those are zomebies .... vampires that take the essense from young attractive people are more like.... snake spirits?
Not paper, the magic seal written on the paper. I'm pretty sure these were stories invented to frighten children into practicing their writing skills. You know, just in case you get attacked by supernatural beings, and the only way to survive is by writing the perfect artistic character.
I was sure there was something about certain types of wood and 僵尸. Wikipedia says it's peach wood. I guess that rules out carrots stopping a Chinese zombie/vampire, unless there's some magic calligraphy on it.
Yes, a carrot through the heart could kill a vampire. To explain why, we have to look at the origin of vampire myths: night owls. Some morning people may dispute this, but consider the many qualities night owls have in common with mythical vampires.
So yeah, carrot through the heart would absolutely do the trick, and is in keeping with the sort of barbarity night owls have come to expect from morning people.
I love this, and I think Morning People are an oppressive class. We do expect barbarity from morning people.
Agreed. Some morning people are a lot like the sun; so entranced by their own radiance that they leave no room for other stars in the sky.
Just realized I forgot one:
Vampires, as far as I know, still have ribcages. Aren't carrots super fragile?
This is from another comment I left: "The genesis of this question originally was when we had a home grown carrot that was so woody that I could not cut it with a knife; I legitimately had to saw at it, and I obviously couldn't use it as food."
I'm talking like a super hard, woody carrot. One that makes you think "oh wow, this could be a stake". Could it though?
If said carrot is, indeed, wood, it can be a stake. If it can be a stake it can kill a vampire like any stake would. However, is a hard carrot wood? Or is it some other kind of organic material that merely resembles wood? One would think that being wood has some importance here, as I wouldn't expect, for instance, a glass stake to have the same effect. Wood is what makes coffins. Also, Christ was a carpenter and died on a wooden cross. There is probably some magical symbology going on. Vampires are magic, not science fiction. So magical thinking applies while science does not. I would probably ask a respectable mage about what is wood and what is not, and they would come up with some nonsensical medieval reasoning that would actually work because this is a magical system.
EDIT: Here's an example of a mage/medieval/nonsensical answer. One could argue that the only wood fit for these purposes is that which grows upwards. A mage could say "Only that which is soaring has sufficient force to send a vampire back to earth".
Ah, I see, so because the carrot grows downwards it’s ineligible.
In that case I wonder... could you sharpen a vampire into a stake in order to vanquish an undead carrot?
This is the linguistic and scientific version. Which I already stated is not valid since that's a magic system.
I'm going to assume that things with intention can be defeated while things without intention cannot. Groups of people can have a kind of complex, shared intentionality, which is why you can defeat an army. Abstraction which source intentionality from intentional beings (such as an AI trained on content made by humans) can be defeated as well.
Some objects, although lacking intention, may feel strongly intentional do to their impact on us. That might be the case of a volcano or an asteroid.
Also, I'm pretty sure all carrots could aptly be called "undead". In any situation, I don't see how anyone could distinguish between a carrot that is undead, a carrot that is dead, and another that is alive.
Depending on what you mean by "vanquish", given the current consensus on the sentience of simple, real world carrots, I don't believe one can "vanquish" a carrot any more than they can "vanquish" a chair or a slab of marble. So I don't believe staking a carrot would vanquish a carrot, vampirical or otherwise.
There is also the possibility for a carrot to feel intentional like a volcano or an asteroid. I find that unlikely, but sure, in that eventuality you may vanquish a carrot.
If you consider that a simple inanimate object completely devoid of intention can be "defeated thoroughly" (perhaps that particular carrot can talk...) whatever that means for inanimate objects to be "defeated", then yes, a stake made of vampire can vanquish a carrot. Eating the carrot would do the same, so I don't see why anyone why anyone would go through the trouble of sharpening a vampire. But you do you buddy :P
So really the question is "Can I kill a vampire with my super homegrown carrot that was as hard as wood and really existed I promise" :)
The real challenge is keeping the vampire inert and docile while you grow your super carrot. I guess you'd also have to keep it out of the sun and away from priests and italian food so it doesn't die by other means before you can carrot it. Can vampires starve? You might have to feed it too.
Why not keep a stockpile of super carrots? Because there's presumably enough water and sugars in even a super carrot that its structural integrity would be undermined by microbes and dessication.
You definitely couldn't use a regular carrot unless you had some sort of high velocity projection method that didn't destroy the carrot via air resistance and friction before it arrived at the vampire, or was able to accelerate the pulp to skin, connective tissue, muscle and bone piercing speeds.
At that point you could kinda use anything. So I guess what I'm saying is maybe but you're making killing this vampire exquisitely hard for yourself and it's likely that natural selection would interfere with your plans.
I'll go with the lame answer, and say vampires aren't real.
I don't mean that to be lame, but instead to highlight that since vampires are fictional creatures, in your imaginative depiction of vampires, whether a carrot can kill one or not is entirely up to you. It's like asking whether ghosts can be locked in a grid made of lasers. In ghostbusters they can, but in other depictions they probably can't.
For a longer answer, vampires come from a ton of diseperate traditions amongst wide ranges of people throughout history. The idea of an unholy essence, soul, or blood sucking creature seems to be a universal human fear, probably ingrained via instinct against real things that do suck blood, like parasites. Bram Stoker's Dracula is kind of the coalescing work around all these traditions for modern depictions of vampires. In that book, Dracula is killed by being stabbed through the heart with a Bowie knife, not a stake, so the object doesn't seem to matter, it's the piercing of the heart that matters. That said, I don't think you could find a carrot strong enough to actually pierce anyone's skin no matter how sharp it was.
Bamboo, palm tree wood, etc would probably all work fine in that depiction though.
Other vampiric traditions require wood, or specific kinds of wood even. Some require stabbing in the stomach instead of the heart. Some require decapitation instead of stabbing.
The most accurate answer then would be "Sure, if you wanted it to"
Question as written is "can you kill a vampire with a sharpened carrot." Probably not, as I'm not a professional vampire hunter nor an experienced hunter of man, and vampires tend to be supernaturally fast and strong.
Could someone do it with a sharpened carrot. If the premise is that they have a sharpened carrot on their person, then slay a vampire with conventional methods, sure.
Does the sharpened carrot work as an impaling mechanism? Does it imply that a living or organic weapon is required to pierce the skin or the heart in a way that an iron one wouldn't? Cause if it's a mechanical issue, then anything penetrating the heart is going to be a bad time.
Ah, you've fallen into my linguistic trap! I was using "you" as an impersonal pronoun, similar to "one", ie. not specifically you @moocow1452.
That said, I believe in you (personal pronoun, specifically moocow1452). You could do it.
"Could" is doing a lot of lifting, the vampire could trip on a brick and fall on the sharpened carrot or be otherwise incapacitated or impaired enough for me to get a lucky shot in. It's like if you could win a fight against a wild animal, one could, but the person being asked the question tends to overestimate their ability.
Again, it comes down to the mechanics of how to slay a Vampire. If it's a Buffy vampire that disappears into a pile of ash when slain, then I'm not sure a carrot is sufficient. If it's undead and is supernaturally animated, a similar issue. If it needs its heart, and that heart has been ruined by a carrot passing through it, then it's a different story.
If it is psychosomatic, then you would need to believe the carrot would work, and the vampire would need to as well. At that point, be safe, get it blessed by a priest and cover both angles.
Ah, you fool, you've fallen into my linguistic trap! AGAIN!
I was using could as a strong indicator of your ability, while you are using it merely as the condition of possibility, no matter how slim. My belief is unwavering!
If the memetic aspect of the wooden stake killing vampires is what can kill a vampire, then I suppose I can kill a vampire with a sharpened carrot, as long as you’re in my corner.
Despite the linguistic traps I've freely littered within my statements, I'm always in your corner.
I think not enough attention is directed to the role of sunlight. As sunlight is what vampires fear most (except Twilight ones perhaps), I suggest that it's not perhaps all plants but rather a mechanic of photosynthesis and how much of the dangerous quality of sunlight the wooden stakes retain.
While I think stabbing with a carrot may hurt a vampire, I think it would have less effect than wood as trees and carrots differ significantly in how they use sunlight for photosynthesis due to their size, structure, and growth patterns.
For example, trees may have broad canopies with many leaves that capture often full, direct sunlight and maximize photosynthesis through a large surface area.
Carrots, as root vegetables, have small leaves that grow closer to the ground. They typically receive less direct sunlight, especially if shaded by taller plants.
Unlike holy water, crosses, etc. I believe these are just a ruse to help humans have false hope and make it possible for vampires to 'pass' tests like drinking holy water. E.g., vampires explain this in True Blood and we can see in the 'documentary' that they are most harmed by direct sunlight followed by bullets with UV emitting diodes in them.
There are many questions to test and avenues to explore with this theory: Would a ranked list of plants based on amount of direct sunlight photosynthesized have a positive correlation in effectiveness? What of plants grown under man-made lights? Do wooden stakes lose potency over time? What about wooden stakes that are 'processed' more and are less 'natural'?
However, I am not sure how we could design tests that would pass the ethics board and I for one am not comfortable testing on unwilling vampires (and especially if it turned out staking was the only way to test this and other theories).
I believe, if the carrot was stout enough and the human is strong enough and the vampire diminished in strength, then you just stab the vampire like 100-200 times everywhere with the carrot. Just keep stabbing.
When you wake up, the vampire will be dead; but cut off the vampire's head for insurance.