awe777's recent activity

  1. Comment on Operator of Nord Stream 2 confirmed that a leak in the pipeline has been detected southeast of the Danish island Bornholm in the Baltic Sea in ~news

    awe777
    Link Parent
    So you're saying that they're trying to achieve P(statement = reality|reality) = 0.5, which maximizes entropy H(statement). Good bullshitters try to achieve this. Thing is, things they have been...

    So you're saying that they're trying to achieve P(statement = reality|reality) = 0.5, which maximizes entropy H(statement). Good bullshitters try to achieve this.

    Thing is, things they have been saying regarding the war had P(statement = reality|reality) far below 0.5, which kills their entropy H(statement) (i.e. we can make clear what happened by what they say).

    1 vote
  2. Comment on Where I live, no one cares about COVID in ~health.coronavirus

    awe777
    Link Parent
    That is another way for them to see this message, but I sense too much compassion there. Why would they think that "the Demonrats" should be able to be as strong as them?

    That is another way for them to see this message, but I sense too much compassion there.

    Why would they think that "the Demonrats" should be able to be as strong as them?

    1 vote
  3. Comment on Where I live, no one cares about COVID in ~health.coronavirus

    awe777
    Link Parent
    Some details can change, but this should be the general flow. I even included two message parts in that message to help with reception. Tearing down their traditional culture (patriarchy, LGBT+...

    do you mean that an author could have written it with the intent of being misinterpreted in this particular way?

    Some details can change, but this should be the general flow. I even included two message parts in that message to help with reception.

    but I think it requires a good dose of suspicion on the reader's part.

    Tearing down their traditional culture (patriarchy, LGBT+ prosecution, segregation, free gun culture, etc.) in the name of equality tends to bring a lot of suspicion on their part, for starters.

    For the specific example of COVID-19 vaccination, their "respected tribal leaders" (Fox News talking heads and Trump administration) has supported the antipathy for COVID protection, seeing that it initially ravaged "those city people". And since Dr. Fauci say things that help "those city people", you get the point.

    why would "those who are not strong enough" be interpreted as "the outgroup" rather than "the elderly?"

    Because they think they are strong and the others are weak. They chant "die for the economy" with a pretext that every one of them, elderly included, are strong enough to withstand the feeble might of virus with the power of guns/Jesus/community/etc. And if their elderly dies, well, they are posers, I suppose.

    They're not that inclined to respect reality like you did here.

    I think people, including conservatives, are less monolithic, more creative, and less predictable than that.

    Yeah, but no. Each person is unique due to their unique experiences, yes, however, as advertising showed us, there are general trends within groups, and difference between in-group members can be negligible. Signal loss is still possible, and that's why this kind of message must be periodically delivered, in order to strengthen its signal.

    Thankfully, the pandemic situation requires health officials (that is obviously supported by liberals for their medical expertise) to constantly remind everyone of that.

    3 votes
  4. Comment on Where I live, no one cares about COVID in ~health.coronavirus

    awe777
    Link Parent
    That is not what I mean; the sentences above can be said with full sincerity with no hints of irony, and that sentence can be crafted as a message of contempt with the right delivery. Let me break...
    • Exemplary

    That is not what I mean; the sentences above can be said with full sincerity with no hints of irony, and that sentence can be crafted as a message of contempt with the right delivery. Let me break it down.

    We will assume this is said by any public figure whose message are endorsed by liberals (irregardless of their actual political side-- see Trump getting booed when urging his constituents to vaccinate)


    We implore everyone, liberal or conservative

    Written to make conservatives pay a bit of attention.

    to socially distance and vaccinate

    We know how much conservatives love to preach about traditional values. Social distancing means foregoing church/bar gatherings, which is against tradition. It is possible for them to be receptive of that if the speaker is respected among their group, however..

    for the good of everyone's lives

    Conservatives works by in-group/out-group dynamic, this phrase will read as "helping those BLM/feminists/inner cities/liberals/etc." to them and therefore, they are primed to oppose such message.

    They're willing to "give their shirt off their back" only to those from the in-groups; making a sacrifice to their way of life to help people that are not them according to their feelings is not something they would easily do. Especially if it was said by people who are endorsed by people that are not them.

    while some of us that have stronger immune system may not be affected by the pandemic

    I can understand painting one's in-group as strong. For those who kept paying attention, this line primes that they may will not be affected by the pandemic, and as such have no need to do such troublesome things.

    some of us who are not strong enough are very likely to be affected by COVID-19

    Similarly, painting out-group as weak. "A pandemic that is not effective towards the in-group and kills the out-group? Don't mind if I do."


    The intention of this message is to reinforce the message of pandemic mitigation for liberals (with that message taken on its own) and to discourage pandemic mitigation measures for conservatives (considering the known thought process of conservatives).

    Of course, this will lead to more conservatives dying, because, well, not protecting yourself against COVID will left you unprotected against COVID.

    10 votes
  5. Comment on Where I live, no one cares about COVID in ~health.coronavirus

    awe777
    Link Parent
    Well, in my opinion, it is very possible that such message of malice has not been massaged and delivered well enough. The best things conservatives can do is to deliver stories (even lies) that...

    This is also a trap of its own. His selfishness borders on malice, and if I meet that with malice with my own, for some reason I look like the asshole instead of him. This is especially true because the author dressed up his words so nicely and cleanly.

    Well, in my opinion, it is very possible that such message of malice has not been massaged and delivered well enough. The best things conservatives can do is to deliver stories (even lies) that can be accepted by various neutral parties, as they have been trained to ground and spread their narrative-based worldviews (irregardless of their truth value; either from religion, from chan boards, from conspiracies, etc.). People who are used to base their worldview on reality will generally lack the experience of selling a worldview (assuming reality will readily prove itself).

    For example:


    "We implore everyone, liberal or conservative, to socially distance and vaccinate for the good of everyone's lives; while some of us that have stronger immune system may not be affected by the pandemic, some of us who are not strong enough are very likely to be affected by COVID-19, and will be helped by these measures."


    This message can be viewed as a very malicious message if delivered correctly. I mean, (warning: Breitbart archive) some of them are smart enough to see this, even when we did it unintentionally.

    4 votes
  6. Comment on The unbelievable grimness of /r/HermanCainAward, the subreddit that catalogs anti-vaxxer COVID deaths in ~tech

    awe777
    (edited )
    Link Parent
    Hence inadequate comparison. And even then, that assumes that the premise is correct. Evidence is they themselves dying, which we documented in our subreddit. Whether they could accept such...

    It's not literally contagious,

    Hence inadequate comparison. And even then, that assumes that the premise is correct.

    is not worth encouraging as the default strategy without some pretty strong evidence,

    Evidence is they themselves dying, which we documented in our subreddit. Whether they could accept such evidence is on them, not us.

    We should not coddle them from reality by preventing social control like you do here, especially when they, anti-vaxxers, have prolonged the disruption to our lives, and potentially kill us all.

    In comparison to gay people mentioned above, who people identify of or have sex with do not generally disrupt society to the point that the economic wheel is slowed down.

    A homophobe in the 80s could've easily stated your post about word-for-word with the issue substituted for gay men with HIV

    HIV spread requires negligience in blood-testing and/or participation in an activity (so agreed-upon mutual activity except on rape) alongside with negligience in protection. People who keep saying those things now have chosen their conclusions and walking backwards to formulate their response.

    Furthermore, back then (and maybe even now) we don't have a vaccine for HIV. We didn't jeer anyone who dies of COVID before vaccines are available for everyone.

    Again, not one-to-one. False equivalence you got there.

    3 votes
  7. Comment on The unbelievable grimness of /r/HermanCainAward, the subreddit that catalogs anti-vaxxer COVID deaths in ~tech

    awe777
    Link Parent
    Disclaimer: I am part of the /r/HermanCainAward community, though I rarely comment and never post. Difference is, obesity is not contagious, and it has no chance to change into some kind of...

    Disclaimer: I am part of the /r/HermanCainAward community, though I rarely comment and never post.

    Difference is, obesity is not contagious, and it has no chance to change into some kind of super-obesity for the rest of us who try to prevent obesity.

    They are actively disrupting society, therefore it is very understandable for society to jeer at them. Coddling the subjects of HCA will kill us all.

    13 votes
  8. Comment on The principle of explosion in ~humanities

    awe777
    Link Parent
    Example of "0 = 1" being true while being consistent of "equal has an equivalence relation", "anything gets added by 0 stays the same", and "anything gets multiplied by 1 stays the same" idea is...

    Example of "0 = 1" being true while being consistent of "equal has an equivalence relation", "anything gets added by 0 stays the same", and "anything gets multiplied by 1 stays the same" idea is the "zero ring".

    1 vote
  9. Comment on We selected 10,000 American neighborhoods at random. If we dropped you into one of them, could you guess how most people there voted? in ~misc

    awe777
    Link
    I (a foreigner from Indonesia, though got an undergraduate in UW) did this twice. First one was a wash. ~50%, but I didn't know what to expect. Second one, aside from obvious rural and urban...

    I (a foreigner from Indonesia, though got an undergraduate in UW) did this twice.

    First one was a wash. ~50%, but I didn't know what to expect.

    Second one, aside from obvious rural and urban indicators, I generally looked for church symbols, US flags, whether the lawn was extraordinarily maintained or rough, relatively large spaces between houses, relatively large roads, as potential indicators of Trump-voting areas. I got 15/17.

    4 votes
  10. Comment on Firefox has started enabling DNS-over-HTTPS by default for all US-based users in ~tech

    awe777
    Link Parent
    Do this on a stock OS level and censorship bureaus will start countering them (either by blocking unapproved DNS server access, blocking the service, or even blocking the OS itself), turning it...

    Do this on a stock OS level and censorship bureaus will start countering them (either by blocking unapproved DNS server access, blocking the service, or even blocking the OS itself), turning it into a useless, feel-good feature.

    There's a good reason uBlock Origin is one of the most-used plugin and yet, not implemented within Gecko/Chrome's guts instead.

  11. Comment on When having friends is more alluring than being right in ~tech