As an artist, thank you for promoting the work of someone you like! Online consumers of art don’t often understand how difficult it is for us to spread the word about our current projects without...
As an artist, thank you for promoting the work of someone you like! Online consumers of art don’t often understand how difficult it is for us to spread the word about our current projects without being accused of fouling the internet with self-interested campaigns.
And I get that spam for art and artists is as bad as any other. But the rules have become so draconian that unless you are a major artist with major representation you can’t find an outlet to take a chance on you. On Reddit, nearly every sub on writing has made it impossible to share my self-published work. Even r/suggestmeabook has rules against recommending your own book even if it is suitable because it smacks too much of advertising.
Many of my projects die of neglect. This is true of nearly every artist you like. And one of the main reasons is this cultural aversion we have to amateur people promoting themselves so that they may become professional, even if they are doing it well.
If my personal endorsement / context is demanded: the artwork on this page reminds me of those I Spy children books where there are a lot of curious objects on the page. I don't often see playful...
If my personal endorsement / context is demanded: the artwork on this page reminds me of those I Spy children books where there are a lot of curious objects on the page. I don't often see playful sculpture quite like monkey on a ball, dog on a bike. Maybe it used to be more common? Like... are these rich children's toys? Those are the questions that go through my mind when looking at these
Honestly I like hearing what interested people about something even if it's a "I just think it's neat" situation. It's not a demand for me, but it inspires me to click through on something I might...
Honestly I like hearing what interested people about something even if it's a "I just think it's neat" situation. It's not a demand for me, but it inspires me to click through on something I might pass by otherwise
If the page was devoid of price tags would it still be an advertisement? It's common for galleries to attach prices to works. If I wanted to share a link to an artists work, what type of website...
If the page was devoid of price tags would it still be an advertisement? It's common for galleries to attach prices to works.
If I wanted to share a link to an artists work, what type of website would you prefer?
Yeah, if this counts as "advertising", @BeanBurrito, then I suppose I post a ton of that too... since I often share videos of sculptors and artist's work (which they also happen to sell) here on...
Yeah, if this counts as "advertising", @BeanBurrito, then I suppose I post a ton of that too... since I often share videos of sculptors and artist's work (which they also happen to sell) here on Tildes.
If this sort of thing is something people think should be banned from Tildes, then what the hell else do they want/expect to see on ~arts and ~hobbies if not for examples of other people's art and hobbies and links to those artist's portfolios, YouTube channels, and galleries with their work?
Are we only allowed to post examples of work if the artist gives them away for free, isn't trying to make a living creating them, or examples of their work has been linkjacked to some other site first where that work is not listed for sale? That makes absolutely no sense to me.
I think you are making the question a lot broader than it needs to be. How something is presented also matters, as I speculated here that might have been more of a cause for the question.
I think you are making the question a lot broader than it needs to be. How something is presented also matters, as I speculated here that might have been more of a cause for the question.
Perhaps, but TBH I am genuinely sick of people constantly questioning and complaining about the things others (myself included) post here to Tildes. To the point where, in case anyone hasn't...
Perhaps, but TBH I am genuinely sick of people constantly questioning and complaining about the things others (myself included) post here to Tildes. To the point where, in case anyone hasn't noticed yet, I have significantly cut down on the amount of things I post, and have been participating on here less and less.
So, congrats, all you cynics. If that is what you all wanted to achieve with your constant bitching, passive-aggressive questions, complaints, etc, about the topics being posted by people (who more often than not just want to share the cool stuff created by others that they found online) then mission accomplished! /rant
p.s. I realize this is perhaps unfair to yourself and @BeanBurrito, and I'm sorry for that. But the above is genuinely the way I have been feeling lately. I am growing increasingly frustrated and tired of having meta discussions about topics dominating so so so many of the comment sections, rather than discussions on the submission's substance. And I'm sick of feeling like I constantly have to justify and defend my sharing of things here to other users, as if my simply wanting to share cool things I find isn't enough for anyone.
I honestly haven't noticed. Out of curiosity, I went over the submissions you posted in August and honestly only saw positive responses. I am not saying it isn't happening, but I am having a hard...
Perhaps, but TBH I am genuinely sick of people constantly questioning and complaining about the things others (myself included) post here to Tildes.
I honestly haven't noticed. Out of curiosity, I went over the last dozen or so submissions you posted in August and honestly only saw positive responses. I am not saying it isn't happening, but I am having a hard time placing what you are saying.
The only thing that comes to mind is when articles are posted. Where people might be critical of the article contents and author, which to me seems only fair.
But I am honestly sorry to hear though that this is your recent experience though.
Yeah, you won't find many super recent examples in my submission history because I have stopped posting many types of content that I used to post lots of but that repeatedly caused those sorts of...
Yeah, you won't find many super recent examples in my submission history because I have stopped posting many types of content that I used to post lots of but that repeatedly caused those sorts of comments to crop up, and the last 6-ish months of my submissions have intentionally been ones that I knew wouldn't be particularly controversial, or stir up much meta-discussion. But even there I have failed a few times too (e.g.).
I thought the discussion in there was interesting enough because it showcased different perspectives. Sure someone was confused about the premise and came to the conclusion that the subject and...
But even there I have failed a few times too (e.g.).
I thought the discussion in there was interesting enough because it showcased different perspectives. Sure someone was confused about the premise and came to the conclusion that the subject and channel are not for them. Which I'd say is fine? To me, that doesn't seem like a meta discussion.
Overall, your submission got people talking about heat pumps and stuff.
Edit:
Also sorry, I just realized I am drawing you in an actual meta discussion. I am honestly just trying to be helpful, but feel free to disengage of course.
Nah, it's fine. Don't worry about it. In this case I walked into it voluntarily. And it's only fair that people push back a little given it was me that went "on the offensive", so to speak,...
Also sorry, I just realized I am drawing you in an actual meta discussion. I am honestly just trying to be helpful, but feel free to disengage of course.
Nah, it's fine. Don't worry about it. In this case I walked into it voluntarily. And it's only fair that people push back a little given it was me that went "on the offensive", so to speak, anyways.
As for the dehumidifier discussion, it was fine I guess, and it's not the worst I've ever felt after a submission. But it was still focused so much on the title, and such a tiny portion of the video (the first 5min) that it did truly frustrate/annoy me. However, I think a big factor in that was also because it got absolutely no responses whatsoever when I initially posted it in April, but then when I posted a new comment a few days ago with the related video I suddenly found myself pulled into a drawn-out "defense" of the original video premise, which then took over the entire comment section. :/
And to be fair to everyone too, it could definitely also be that I'm simply feeling burnt out on Tildes in general and that is effecting how I feel about my interactions here. I'm perhaps taking everything far more personally than I should, so I might benefit from another extended break from here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
cc: @BeanBurrito, since it's definitely possible I have taken this all too personally, and as a result you unfortunately became a bit of a scapegoat, and your comment a reason for me to vent. In which case, I am sorry about that, BTW.
Yeah, I can see why that is frustrating. Part of it might have been exactly because you posted the update as a comment. So, only people who sort on activity will see it, but they might not even...
However, I think a big factor in that was also because it got absolutely no responses whatsoever when I initially posted it in April, but then when I posted a new comment a few days ago with the related video I suddenly found myself pulled into a drawn-out "defense" of the original video premise, which then took over the entire comment section. :/
Yeah, I can see why that is frustrating. Part of it might have been exactly because you posted the update as a comment. So, only people who sort on activity will see it, but they might not even realize they are responding to an older post.
It is one of those quirks of how Tildes works that makes it interesting but also can throw you for a loop. Or in my case make you overthink stuff ;)
To cast a wider net, I'd personally probably would have just made a new post and linked to the old one.
And to be fair to everyone too, it could definitely also be that I'm simply feeling burnt out on Tildes in general and that is effecting how I feel about my interactions here.
That's entirely possible. You have been a very active member of the website with extra duties as well. Speaking from personal experience modding on reddit it tends to make you more frustrated with other people. As you are intimately familiar with how all the possibilities of how the platform works. Which is both a blessing and a curse, as it is easy to assume others use it in the same way.
Genuinely I only commented at that point because the creator said he was not burying the main point of the video would get right to it, and I was genuinely confused about the apparent confusion...
Genuinely I only commented at that point because the creator said he was not burying the main point of the video would get right to it, and I was genuinely confused about the apparent confusion from both the title and the premise stated by the creator of the video. It was genuinely the video's framing and format that made me stop after five minutes and talk about it.
I didn't realize it was an old post, as @creesch suggested and I wasn't trying to ask you to justify posting it. I was genuinely engaging with the content as titled and watched up to that point and tried to be quite transparent about that. I wasn't expecting you to feel the need to "defend" it, I was just talking about it. To me I was engaging with the content.
I'm sorry it caused you distress and I don't know... Ruined the comment section? I don't know how to fix it. /Gen
It's fine. Please don't worry about it. Like I said above, in retrospect, I think I'm just burnt out on Tildes (and in general, TBH) so I'm taking things way too personally right now. It's not...
I'm sorry it caused you distress and I don't know... Ruined the comment section? I don't know how to fix it. /Gen
It's fine. Please don't worry about it. Like I said above, in retrospect, I think I'm just burnt out on Tildes (and in general, TBH) so I'm taking things way too personally right now. It's not your fault, so please don't feel bad about it. I genuinely like you, respect you, have enjoyed the vast majority of our interactions, and truly do value your contributions here so I really don't want to discourage you from continuing to participate in any way. I'm starting to suspect this is just a me problem that's bleeding over into Tildes right now, and so I'm planning on taking a break from Tildes for a bit to hopefully sort some personal life things out and get my head right again.
I sort of get where BeanBurrito might have been coming from. I have no clue if this is a well known person, so just the name to me looked a bit odd and non descriptive. As there was also no...
I sort of get where BeanBurrito might have been coming from. I have no clue if this is a well known person, so just the name to me looked a bit odd and non descriptive. As there was also no comment with further context (even a "just came across this artist, thought the sculptures are neat) it also would have raised an initial question for me.
Now, the prices are such that it is clear that it isn't really advertising. But other than that, the post does remind me somewhat of the hit-and-run posting you'll see of commercial websites on reddit.
That's a fair criticism! I don't always have the time or feel the need to add additional context. I prefer when something is judged on its own merits rather than relying on personal endorsement. I...
the post does remind me somewhat of the hit-and-run posting you'll see of commercial websites on reddit
That's a fair criticism! I don't always have the time or feel the need to add additional context. I prefer when something is judged on its own merits rather than relying on personal endorsement. I also enjoy this type of self-reflection and related discussion.
I have no clue if this is a well known person
I'm not sure either (which is part of the fun!); would it feel more spam-y if it was a well-known person or not well-known?
Yes, I'd feel odd about doing something like posting someone's personal blog in ~tech with just their name in the title. But somehow in ~arts it feels pretty normal. I guess if it was a really...
Yes, I'd feel odd about doing something like posting someone's personal blog in ~tech with just their name in the title. But somehow in ~arts it feels pretty normal.
I guess if it was a really well-known artist it does feel weird... but in the sense that I hadn't heard of Rembrandt or Van Gogh.
I should be less lazy though. This is partially just me making excuses but also I think I am somewhat justified that Artist Name is an acceptable title. But in the future I will try harder. I think for this one I could say: "Jessica Joslin: bone and metal sculpture"
You didn't discuss an artist or their work. You only posted a URL to a site set up to sell things. As a result, I asked my question. If there was a conversation about an artist with urls in it,...
You didn't discuss an artist or their work.
You only posted a URL to a site set up to sell things.
As a result, I asked my question.
If there was a conversation about an artist with urls in it, this thread wouldn't have looked like advertising.
As an artist, thank you for promoting the work of someone you like! Online consumers of art don’t often understand how difficult it is for us to spread the word about our current projects without being accused of fouling the internet with self-interested campaigns.
And I get that spam for art and artists is as bad as any other. But the rules have become so draconian that unless you are a major artist with major representation you can’t find an outlet to take a chance on you. On Reddit, nearly every sub on writing has made it impossible to share my self-published work. Even r/suggestmeabook has rules against recommending your own book even if it is suitable because it smacks too much of advertising.
Many of my projects die of neglect. This is true of nearly every artist you like. And one of the main reasons is this cultural aversion we have to amateur people promoting themselves so that they may become professional, even if they are doing it well.
If my personal endorsement / context is demanded: the artwork on this page reminds me of those I Spy children books where there are a lot of curious objects on the page. I don't often see playful sculpture quite like monkey on a ball, dog on a bike. Maybe it used to be more common? Like... are these rich children's toys? Those are the questions that go through my mind when looking at these
Honestly I like hearing what interested people about something even if it's a "I just think it's neat" situation. It's not a demand for me, but it inspires me to click through on something I might pass by otherwise
Anyway I think these are neat
Is advertising allowed on Tildes?
If the page was devoid of price tags would it still be an advertisement? It's common for galleries to attach prices to works.
If I wanted to share a link to an artists work, what type of website would you prefer?
Yeah, if this counts as "advertising", @BeanBurrito, then I suppose I post a ton of that too... since I often share videos of sculptors and artist's work (which they also happen to sell) here on Tildes.
If this sort of thing is something people think should be banned from Tildes, then what the hell else do they want/expect to see on ~arts and ~hobbies if not for examples of other people's art and hobbies and links to those artist's portfolios, YouTube channels, and galleries with their work?
Are we only allowed to post examples of work if the artist gives them away for free, isn't trying to make a living creating them, or examples of their work has been linkjacked to some other site first where that work is not listed for sale? That makes absolutely no sense to me.
I think you are making the question a lot broader than it needs to be. How something is presented also matters, as I speculated here that might have been more of a cause for the question.
Perhaps, but TBH I am genuinely sick of people constantly questioning and complaining about the things others (myself included) post here to Tildes. To the point where, in case anyone hasn't noticed yet, I have significantly cut down on the amount of things I post, and have been participating on here less and less.
So, congrats, all you cynics. If that is what you all wanted to achieve with your constant bitching, passive-aggressive questions, complaints, etc, about the topics being posted by people (who more often than not just want to share the cool stuff created by others that they found online) then mission accomplished! /rant
p.s. I realize this is perhaps unfair to yourself and @BeanBurrito, and I'm sorry for that. But the above is genuinely the way I have been feeling lately. I am growing increasingly frustrated and tired of having meta discussions about topics dominating so so so many of the comment sections, rather than discussions on the submission's substance. And I'm sick of feeling like I constantly have to justify and defend my sharing of things here to other users, as if my simply wanting to share cool things I find isn't enough for anyone.
I honestly haven't noticed. Out of curiosity, I went over the
last dozen or sosubmissions you posted in August and honestly only saw positive responses. I am not saying it isn't happening, but I am having a hard time placing what you are saying.The only thing that comes to mind is when articles are posted. Where people might be critical of the article contents and author, which to me seems only fair.
But I am honestly sorry to hear though that this is your recent experience though.
Yeah, you won't find many super recent examples in my submission history because I have stopped posting many types of content that I used to post lots of but that repeatedly caused those sorts of comments to crop up, and the last 6-ish months of my submissions have intentionally been ones that I knew wouldn't be particularly controversial, or stir up much meta-discussion. But even there I have failed a few times too (e.g.).
I thought the discussion in there was interesting enough because it showcased different perspectives. Sure someone was confused about the premise and came to the conclusion that the subject and channel are not for them. Which I'd say is fine? To me, that doesn't seem like a meta discussion.
Overall, your submission got people talking about heat pumps and stuff.
Edit:
Also sorry, I just realized I am drawing you in an actual meta discussion. I am honestly just trying to be helpful, but feel free to disengage of course.
Nah, it's fine. Don't worry about it. In this case I walked into it voluntarily. And it's only fair that people push back a little given it was me that went "on the offensive", so to speak, anyways.
As for the dehumidifier discussion, it was fine I guess, and it's not the worst I've ever felt after a submission. But it was still focused so much on the title, and such a tiny portion of the video (the first 5min) that it did truly frustrate/annoy me. However, I think a big factor in that was also because it got absolutely no responses whatsoever when I initially posted it in April, but then when I posted a new comment a few days ago with the related video I suddenly found myself pulled into a drawn-out "defense" of the original video premise, which then took over the entire comment section. :/
And to be fair to everyone too, it could definitely also be that I'm simply feeling burnt out on Tildes in general and that is effecting how I feel about my interactions here. I'm perhaps taking everything far more personally than I should, so I might benefit from another extended break from here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
cc: @BeanBurrito, since it's definitely possible I have taken this all too personally, and as a result you unfortunately became a bit of a scapegoat, and your comment a reason for me to vent. In which case, I am sorry about that, BTW.
Yeah, I can see why that is frustrating. Part of it might have been exactly because you posted the update as a comment. So, only people who sort on activity will see it, but they might not even realize they are responding to an older post.
It is one of those quirks of how Tildes works that makes it interesting but also can throw you for a loop. Or in my case make you overthink stuff ;)
To cast a wider net, I'd personally probably would have just made a new post and linked to the old one.
That's entirely possible. You have been a very active member of the website with extra duties as well. Speaking from personal experience modding on reddit it tends to make you more frustrated with other people. As you are intimately familiar with how all the possibilities of how the platform works. Which is both a blessing and a curse, as it is easy to assume others use it in the same way.
Genuinely I only commented at that point because the creator said he was not burying the main point of the video would get right to it, and I was genuinely confused about the apparent confusion from both the title and the premise stated by the creator of the video. It was genuinely the video's framing and format that made me stop after five minutes and talk about it.
I didn't realize it was an old post, as @creesch suggested and I wasn't trying to ask you to justify posting it. I was genuinely engaging with the content as titled and watched up to that point and tried to be quite transparent about that. I wasn't expecting you to feel the need to "defend" it, I was just talking about it. To me I was engaging with the content.
I'm sorry it caused you distress and I don't know... Ruined the comment section? I don't know how to fix it. /Gen
It's fine. Please don't worry about it. Like I said above, in retrospect, I think I'm just burnt out on Tildes (and in general, TBH) so I'm taking things way too personally right now. It's not your fault, so please don't feel bad about it. I genuinely like you, respect you, have enjoyed the vast majority of our interactions, and truly do value your contributions here so I really don't want to discourage you from continuing to participate in any way. I'm starting to suspect this is just a me problem that's bleeding over into Tildes right now, and so I'm planning on taking a break from Tildes for a bit to hopefully sort some personal life things out and get my head right again.
I sort of get where BeanBurrito might have been coming from. I have no clue if this is a well known person, so just the name to me looked a bit odd and non descriptive. As there was also no comment with further context (even a "just came across this artist, thought the sculptures are neat) it also would have raised an initial question for me.
Now, the prices are such that it is clear that it isn't really advertising. But other than that, the post does remind me somewhat of the hit-and-run posting you'll see of commercial websites on reddit.
That's a fair criticism! I don't always have the time or feel the need to add additional context. I prefer when something is judged on its own merits rather than relying on personal endorsement. I also enjoy this type of self-reflection and related discussion.
I'm not sure either (which is part of the fun!); would it feel more spam-y if it was a well-known person or not well-known?
Well I am terrible with names :P So that might just be a me thing that a title with just a name just looks like a bit odd.
Yes, I'd feel odd about doing something like posting someone's personal blog in ~tech with just their name in the title. But somehow in ~arts it feels pretty normal.
I guess if it was a really well-known artist it does feel weird... but in the sense that I hadn't heard of Rembrandt or Van Gogh.
I should be less lazy though. This is partially just me making excuses but also I think I am somewhat justified that Artist Name is an acceptable title. But in the future I will try harder. I think for this one I could say: "Jessica Joslin: bone and metal sculpture"
You didn't discuss an artist or their work.
You only posted a URL to a site set up to sell things.
As a result, I asked my question.
If there was a conversation about an artist with urls in it, this thread wouldn't have looked like advertising.
Zero disrespect meant.