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How to get back into recording music?

Many years ago I used to record a variety of music on an old Macbook and a dodgy copy of Logic Pro with various Native Instruments VSTs.

I had so much fun playing the drums badly on my midi pads, tightening them up in Logic, and then doing random stuff with the beat editor (changing velocity curves for specific notes like hi-hats, adding in random hits) to make it sound less rigid. Then maybe I'd record my acoustic guitar with my crappy mic, throw some reverb on it, add some vocals. Man, it was a blast!

It's been over a decade since I did that, and now I'd like to get back into that world again and produce some of my own backing music for my YouTube and TikTok videos, but I honestly don't know where to start.

I guess the big difference now is that I'm on Windows, and there is no Logic Pro here. The Ableton and Maschine layouts don't really make sense to me (I think these are more loop driven?). Reaper seems quite spartan compared to how I remember Logic (I know this is probably not actually the case, but the discoverability is not great imo).

If anyone has any suggestions about where I should start - I'm mostly looking for something that has the same layout as Logic did 10+ years ago (or at least, something that would feel similar and intuitive)- a big timeline where I can drag stuff around and try different arrangements, a piano editor I can break out at the bottom, a drum editor I can break out, set the note length and just drag my left-clicked mouse across to have a million hi-hat hits and then play around with deleting different hits until I get the right vibe, the draw the velocity across all of them easily.

The gear I have right now:

  • Maschine MK3
  • Some M-Audio super mini midi keyboard
  • An old-school Metric Halo ULN-2 (this thing STILL costs a thousand bucks?!)
  • A few Shure mics and a Wave 3 USB mic

Thanks in advance!

14 comments

  1. [2]
    Kazarelth
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    I know you said Reaper is spartan but I'd recommend you give it a try. Kenny Gioia's tutorials will absolutely help. Additionally, if it makes you feel at home these Logic Pro Themes for Reaper...

    I know you said Reaper is spartan but I'd recommend you give it a try. Kenny Gioia's tutorials will absolutely help.

    Additionally, if it makes you feel at home these Logic Pro Themes for Reaper could probably help you recontextualize your old workflow.

    Everything should likely work straight out of the box on Reaper. And generally speaking the community is q friendly on their forums.

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    1. LGUG2Z
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      Thanks for the tutorials link, this might be just the thing I need to make everything click!

      Thanks for the tutorials link, this might be just the thing I need to make everything click!

  2. sleepydave
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    Reaper may seem intimidating on the surface but the most difficult thing about it is the small period of time where you don't know much about it at all. Learning Reaper's workflow will take a bit...

    Reaper may seem intimidating on the surface but the most difficult thing about it is the small period of time where you don't know much about it at all. Learning Reaper's workflow will take a bit of getting used to if you're coming from Logic but it will be worth it and it's only a short time before you're over the hurdle.

    Adding to what @Kazarelth said, Kenny Gioia's tutorials are a great resource and you should not only use them during your "tutorial island" period but also as a reference while you get a better handle on things. I wouldn't personally recommend applying a custom theme until you're pretty confident in your ability to navigate the system though, it will just make things more difficult if you find a tutorial video for what you need but you have to figure out the UI disparities for yourself.

    The more important aspect you should focus your efforts on is your monitoring & room acoustics - if you want to take your music seriously headphones are likely not going to cut it. Find yourself a well-regarded pair of studio monitoring speakers with an appropriate cone size for your room and a quality audio interface (I'd recommend MOTU M2 or M4 in your case if you're not satisfied with your current one) and learn how to acoustically treat your recording and mixing space - your speakers can only ever sound as good as the room they're in so I'd recommend a bit of heavy reading for that. The Master Handbook of Acoustics is the gold standard reading material - you may get thrown off by the physics thrown at you in the first few pages but you don't need to know that much, what you need to know is about room tone and how it relates to size, reflectivity of your surfaces, phase correlation/cancellation nodes and how to treat it. Once you've gotten past that you can use something like SoundID Reference to automate impulse tests of your room and correct for any further deficiencies.

    I know this all sounds pretty intimidating, but believe it or not we were all in your position at one point and with effort and willingness to learn you can overcome it :) Assuming Reddit doesn't become another Digg incident in the near future, r/audioengineering as well as Gearspace and KVR forums can have some useful information (I wouldn't spend too much time on the last two unless you need something really specific) - otherwise feel free to fire any questions you have at me either here or in DM's.

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  3. [4]
    skeletorfw
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    Seriously seriously, ableton is by far my favourite for doing this. I know you said it didn't feel like it clicked, and that's eminently reasonable, but it really is good for recording and...

    Seriously seriously, ableton is by far my favourite for doing this. I know you said it didn't feel like it clicked, and that's eminently reasonable, but it really is good for recording and multitracking. Especially with the new comping features in Live 11 the piano roll view is really quick to get working in (press tab to switch between the loop view and this one).

    I now just permanently have my pedal board connected to a line in on my audio interface, and have moved from writing maybe a few times a year to getting tracks started a few times a week when I feel like it (and sometimes even finished!)

    In the end just picking one and sticking with it is the best idea, and making sure that going from idea to recording is as frictionless as possible will also help with getting creative quick!

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    1. [3]
      3_3_2_LA
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      Seconding my vote for ableton. I'm guessing OP stumbled on the session view which is primarily used for loops/live looping. The arrangement view (hit Tab) is where you assemble your 'song' :)

      Seconding my vote for ableton. I'm guessing OP stumbled on the session view which is primarily used for loops/live looping. The arrangement view (hit Tab) is where you assemble your 'song' :)

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      1. LGUG2Z
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        I'm gonna try this out and report back in a few days 🤞

        I'm gonna try this out and report back in a few days 🤞

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      2. skeletorfw
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        Yeah that was my suspicion too! Now I think about it, coming originally from FL studio back in 2008 I actually got into ableton through that view.

        Yeah that was my suspicion too! Now I think about it, coming originally from FL studio back in 2008 I actually got into ableton through that view.

  4. neige
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    I'm on FL Studio, works great for me and has a pretty good trial, so can just give it a shot. They also have a very fair pricing model with livelong upgrades once you buy even one of the cheaper...

    I'm on FL Studio, works great for me and has a pretty good trial, so can just give it a shot. They also have a very fair pricing model with livelong upgrades once you buy even one of the cheaper editions and the option to upgrade your edition down the line if you need more options, or just buy specific plugins.

    I can't tell you how close it is to logic, as I've never works with it, sorry :(

    FL doesn't have the most professional reputation, but I've found it to be a very low stakes entry point with lots of tutorials and a not-too-steep learning curve (looking at you, Ableton). I will admit though, that it is better at piano roll midi songwriting with vsts than recording, but I've been recording our band things with it and it's definitely servicable.

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  5. jcrash
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    I've been playing music for about a decade, but had never really recorded my work to the point I liked the end result. Unfortunately I can't give you any Windows recommendations as I use Mac, but...

    I've been playing music for about a decade, but had never really recorded my work to the point I liked the end result. Unfortunately I can't give you any Windows recommendations as I use Mac, but in GarageBand what I've done is just make tons of projects with different snippets/loops. Then, I'll have a day where all I do is flesh out a snippet into a song. Something in my brain senses the soft deadline and gets me over the hump of getting it to a sharable point.

    Equipment wise, I'm just using a Scarlett Solo plugged into my Mac. Haven't worked on getting drums added other than the built in loops. Are you able to make your drums sound like a normal 'rock band' drummer using the Maschine pad? Or would it be better to invest in an electronic kit once I get to that point? I used to play the analog drum kit, but it would always sound terrible when I recorded it with microphones.

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  6. Pistos
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    How about you just start minimal (like one single instrument, digital or physical), then build on it as you make time for it. Example: hit record, noodle around on guitar for a while, stop record....

    don't know where to start

    How about you just start minimal (like one single instrument, digital or physical), then build on it as you make time for it.

    Example: hit record, noodle around on guitar for a while, stop record. then come back another day to layer on just kick and snare. Another day, mess around with a bass line. etc. Can even throw vocals into the mix. Doesn't have to be full-blown, multiple verses and chorus of poetic lyrics. Can just be you making a few audio snippets, and scattering them around repetitively.

    I don't do much computer-generated songwriting (patterns, blocks, copy-paste, etc.), so I can't speak to that. That said, I use ardour, which is multi-platform and free to try.

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    Matcha
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    Outside of treating the room, getting reaper, and maybe getting a new usb interface (I use Audient, get the usb c models) the most I recommend is getting stuff secondhand whenever possible and...

    Outside of treating the room, getting reaper, and maybe getting a new usb interface (I use Audient, get the usb c models) the most I recommend is getting stuff secondhand whenever possible and spending time recording and less time thinking of stuff.

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      jakeinator21
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      Not OP but also been interested in recording again recently. Is the Audient EVO 4 a decent budget option? Or should I splurge a bit for the iD4 instead?

      Not OP but also been interested in recording again recently. Is the Audient EVO 4 a decent budget option? Or should I splurge a bit for the iD4 instead?

      1. [2]
        Matcha
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        They're both decent. I like the better construction. If the Evo 4 isn't usbc then get the id4 because the usb a port on my older id4 became loose. Getting it secondhand should also help. Reverb...

        They're both decent. I like the better construction. If the Evo 4 isn't usbc then get the id4 because the usb a port on my older id4 became loose.

        Getting it secondhand should also help. Reverb has been reliable.

        1. jakeinator21
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          Ah nice, I'll have to keep an eye out for secondhand deals then. Thanks for the recommendation!

          Ah nice, I'll have to keep an eye out for secondhand deals then. Thanks for the recommendation!