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The spread of solar panels in rural areas has become a divisive issue among Danish voters

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    kacey
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    Aah, another lovely example of The Guardian's thorough reporting style. Here's the lonely house on street view. All the solar panels are covered up by shrubs, so you can't see them from the road...

    Aah, another lovely example of The Guardian's thorough reporting style.

    • Here's the lonely house on street view. All the solar panels are covered up by shrubs, so you can't see them from the road or house.
    • That village had eleven people living in it, and they received above-market buyouts for their properties, allowing them -- a few of them seniors, with no access to public transit or healthcare -- to move somewhere that they can live a better life. Also, apparently the solar panels will increase biodiversity, as compared to the rye, grass (hay), and maize, which are biological dead zones.

    (edit) Every day, my tag block for The Guardian pays dividends XD if only I were signed in on mobile, I wouldn't have seen this article ...

    22 votes
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      valar
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      Genuinely curious, what would you recommend as an alternative to the guardian

      Genuinely curious, what would you recommend as an alternative to the guardian

      5 votes
      1. kacey
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        Ah -- I'm not sure if I can help, depending on what you're looking for. I mostly keep to Canadian content, with a spattering of whatever a couple youtubers post on environmental issues. A fellow...

        Ah -- I'm not sure if I can help, depending on what you're looking for. I mostly keep to Canadian content, with a spattering of whatever a couple youtubers post on environmental issues.

        • A fellow tildo recommended the Current Events portal on Wikipedia, which has been useful for keeping on top of world events. I ... try not to focus on world news, much, so I only check in here occasionally.
        • The Narwhal is a fantastic paper covering federal issues, and The Tyee does a stellar job of covering concerns in BC. I also subscribe to the feeds for a couple of local papers, but it's extremely unlikely that you'll find those useful 😅
        • Now that they've fired their AI editor for accidentally faking quotes with ChatGPT, Ars Technica has re-entered my good graces, since they're capable of critiquing Sam Altman at all again.
        • Simon Clark's Youtube channel does a pretty good job of covering environmental topics.

        But beyond that, I don't really keep track of any papers in particular. Mostly, I keep track of the inverse -- those which drop the ball so frequently I question whether they think they're playing soccer.

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    CptBluebear
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    My local municipality just voted in a party that is opposed to placing solar panels on unused farm land because we need to "preserve the character of our living space". I'm so annoyed with...

    My local municipality just voted in a party that is opposed to placing solar panels on unused farm land because we need to "preserve the character of our living space".

    I'm so annoyed with NIMBY's.. they can't even see that unused farm land from their own homes!

    7 votes
    1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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      But the sound of construction! Or something. I haven't been able to figure out what the actual opposition is, because there always is something but it's so vague our county/cities don't respond to it

      But the sound of construction! Or something.

      I haven't been able to figure out what the actual opposition is, because there always is something but it's so vague our county/cities don't respond to it

      5 votes
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    balooga
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    The photos in the article help a lot. I was expecting a lot of NIMBY hand-wringing because I was unfamiliar with the scale and density of the solar panels, but I can totally see their point now. I...

    The photos in the article help a lot. I was expecting a lot of NIMBY hand-wringing because I was unfamiliar with the scale and density of the solar panels, but I can totally see their point now. I still think the "eyesore" argument is weaksauce when it comes to land one doesn't own, especially when the thing one is complaining about is renewable energy tech. But I absolutely wouldn't want to be the family in that house that's boxed in by panels on every side, either. Not that they have the right to demand clear vistas as far as the eye can see, but a reasonable affordance of breathing room shouldn't be too much to ask.

    5 votes
    1. Minori
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      They don't own the adjoining land, why should they get veto on renewable energy development?

      Not that they have the right to demand clear vistas as far as the eye can see, but a reasonable affordance of breathing room shouldn't be too much to ask.

      They don't own the adjoining land, why should they get veto on renewable energy development?

      15 votes
    2. RoyalHenOil
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      I recommend not moving to a rural area in that case. Part of rural living includes being around rural industry. There will be pylons, phone towers, wind turbines, center-pivot sprinklers,...

      But I absolutely wouldn't want to be the family in that house that's boxed in by panels on every side, either.

      I recommend not moving to a rural area in that case. Part of rural living includes being around rural industry. There will be pylons, phone towers, wind turbines, center-pivot sprinklers, junkyards, tree farm clearcutting, ugly fences, ugly sheds, ugly monoculture fields, farm animal noises, farm animal smells, tractors shining extremely bright lights at night, tractors in the road slowing down traffic, etc. Solar panels are pretty benign in the scheme of things. If this household managed to get the solar farm closed, it would likely be replaced by something much more unpleasant; the landowner needs to make a living doing something, and most of the other options are noisy, smelly, and/or much harder to hide than solar panels.

      To me, it comes across like someone moving into an urban environment and complaining when a bar opens nearby. If you don't like seeing commercial or industrial activity, stick to dedicated residential areas.

      14 votes
    3. MimicSquid
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      From the article: I agree that it's possible that the farmhouse entirely surrounded by solar panels is inhabited by someone who dislikes them, but broadly, it's simple enough to have trees or...

      From the article:

      "Opponents of solar cells are always happy to show drone images,” he said. “But no one watches the world through a drone. We’re a flat country. It’s fairly easy to hide them.”

      I agree that it's possible that the farmhouse entirely surrounded by solar panels is inhabited by someone who dislikes them, but broadly, it's simple enough to have trees or hedges that obscure the solar fields if people feel they're an eyesore. This isn't something that truly needs to block developments. More likely the cancellation of additional projects is about enough solar being online that they're already seeing negative energy prices during sunny days. Further energy investment will need to be in storage or alternate energy generation.

      13 votes