Fascinating read. In an earlier section of the piece where the author mentioned the teachers don't get paid much more than public schools, I was thinking, well then if I had that kind of money why...
BSch's job is not fundamentally to give kids the most rigorous academic education it is possible to give them, [...] The job of a boarding school is to incubate members of the upper class.
Fascinating read. In an earlier section of the piece where the author mentioned the teachers don't get paid much more than public schools, I was thinking, well then if I had that kind of money why the heck wouldn't I just hire subject matter experts as tutors?
The answer is that the author got his resume recognized, that alums recognize alums, and they're there to pick up culture.
If we're all treating education as means of success rather than ends in themselves, then cutting straight to success is a swifter and surer formula.
It sounds like a little mini country unto themselves: there's a sort of welfare, a finance and development and education department, a sort of tax system, a sort of retirement safety net, a sort of justice and rehabilitation, and a sort of way to take care of younger generations after you.
It's only somewhat disgusting only because some/many of us don't get somewhat appetizing free meals, somewhat outdated and minimally maintained housing, slaps on the wrists with chances to do better, and the social stepladder to make the world still seem like it has options to be middle class once we graduate. I don't want them to lose what they've got going, I just want the rest of us to be given those things too.
I didn't say anything after I read this earlier in the week because of how grumpy it made me lol, which was prob a good call but I keep thinking about it: I feel like the exclusivity of it is what...
I just want the rest of us to be given those things too.
I didn't say anything after I read this earlier in the week because of how grumpy it made me lol, which was prob a good call but I keep thinking about it: I feel like the exclusivity of it is what makes it what it is, which is elitism. Right? Like if we all had our needs provided for then how would it be demonstrated that this is something 99.99% of people cannot afford.
But I thought part of me must be just jaded or grumpy, there's got to be a historical model for what you're describing—I can't think of one. Colleges for wizards in Elder Scrolls games & Harry Potter, maybe? And maybe it's not elitism et al that's got me feeling this way but this one specific writer's particular bent: at the beginning I thought "well there's no way this guy was a teacher," but I was wrong so then I assumed that his parents must have come from money—again, wrong, his dad was also a teacher. And it's def possible to have been so immersed in elitist culture that you pick up on all the mannerisms without the funding, all posh no dosh as it were, but my final guess (and I could be completely wrong) is that this individual's grandfather did exceptionally well in life, because that sort of thing allows for this kind of career & the subsequent perspective of "Well of course things are this way."
I'll settle for food, shelter and safety for all kids, even if we don't all get prestigious education. But I can absolutely see the Help class staunchly defined the upper class. Sort of like how...
I'll settle for food, shelter and safety for all kids, even if we don't all get prestigious education.
But I can absolutely see the Help class staunchly defined the upper class. Sort of like how miners and energy workers defend their industry
it's the Southern Strategy at work again—if you're a temporarily embarassed billionaire, you won't want to do anything too upsetting for those guys.
it's the Southern Strategy at work again—if you're a temporarily embarassed millionaire billionaire, you won't want to do anything too upsetting for those guys.
Beyond that, being the help to old wealth can be a secure life. Not rich, to be clear, and with no expectation that you'll transcend your position, but you'll be looked after. That's touched on a...
Beyond that, being the help to old wealth can be a secure life. Not rich, to be clear, and with no expectation that you'll transcend your position, but you'll be looked after. That's touched on a little bit in the lenient nature of punishment for the ingroup (which does include the teachers), but goes beyond that in ways not laid out in the article. An elderly aunt of mine who grew up very wealthy fought her siblings to made sure that her mother's assistant did receive the $200,000 that was left to her in the will. But it wasn't certain. It took years of wrangling, and that sort of thing isn't to be relied on. So you're a good little worker bee in hopes of largesse.
yeah i've looked at a lot of career change path opportunities in the past year or so, & it seems like if you can get into something where you're helping people who have a lot of money, and aren't...
yeah i've looked at a lot of career change path opportunities in the past year or so, & it seems like if you can get into something where you're helping people who have a lot of money, and aren't purporting to be philanthropic or cajoling in your line of work, they are a lot more willing to cut you in a tiny bit. Which coming from government work seems like less of a fly on the giant bloated corpse of capitalism and more like one of those birds that eats the flies off the hippopotamus for him. So I guess that's my goal now lol
Decades ago I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking about what made good students and what made bad students, and in my experience the difference tended to be mostly arranged around the...
Decades ago I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking about what made good students and what made bad students, and in my experience the difference tended to be mostly arranged around the students’ home life. So my thought was “why don’t we have a public, tuition-free boarding school?” Obviously it couldn’t solve every problem, but it would be great because it would mean that students had a baseline of support that their parents could not or would not afford, giving them a better chance to learn some of the soft skills they needed to be successful in school.
I am not the only person to have these thoughts, so there are some low tuition boarding schools out there. When I had first thought of this, the only example I could find was the SEED School in Miami, Florida. The good news is that it looks like their model has been successful and they have four schools now, but I don’t know if there are any other organizations attempting a similar model.
:| well, I mean.....that folks do get lured out to dates and murdered doesn't invalidate dating as a whole. The residential schools were always genocide focused and never honest about education or...
:| well, I mean.....that folks do get lured out to dates and murdered doesn't invalidate dating as a whole.
The residential schools were always genocide focused and never honest about education or care for children. That's obviously not what I would advocate for in any world.
Setting aside the actual child abuse which probably wouldn't occur if we implemented this sort of thing today, it would still be cultural genocide. The whole point of these schools is to ensure...
Setting aside the actual child abuse which probably wouldn't occur if we implemented this sort of thing today, it would still be cultural genocide. The whole point of these schools is to ensure that their graduates are proper members of the school's culture. If everyone went into such schools, the people who came out would be closer to a monoculture than the people who went in.
Oh absolutely the goal was, again, genocide of their entire culture. That children were killed and hurt was just a "nice bonus" for those sick [redacted]. The Canadian gov't kept it up after Res...
Oh absolutely the goal was, again, genocide of their entire culture. That children were killed and hurt was just a "nice bonus" for those sick [redacted]. The Canadian gov't kept it up after Res Schools with sixties scoop and even just today: Bill C-5 ramming through Parliament. It never ended.
Right. What I'm saying is that my answer to the question that Akir asked (“why don’t we have a public, tuition-free boarding school?”) is that people who want public education in general are...
Right. What I'm saying is that my answer to the question that Akir asked (“why don’t we have a public, tuition-free boarding school?”) is that people who want public education in general are reluctant to engage in cultural genocide, and people who want to dissolve public education want exactly that, but through non-public options. Either way, the genocidal nature of the construct is well known, but the people who want public education don't want those side effects of removing children from their varied cultural contexts. This is one of the main reasons why we don't have a public, tuition-free boarding school.
I think if they're well run and offered as a choice between free day school with meals and bus, or full boarding, they can be really positive. Home stays for foreign students kind of have the same...
I think if they're well run and offered as a choice between free day school with meals and bus, or full boarding, they can be really positive. Home stays for foreign students kind of have the same idea, minus the prestige and Scion grooming aspect, but a good school home can be way better than an unstable and unsafe home in the worst cases. Obviously where minors, money, and monitoring overlap one needs to tread very carefully and have things be highly transparent and accountable
The "well run" part is a big issue. Especially when there's not rich family to protest, and even when there is, there can be a lot of abuse in those sorts of schools on top of the ease with which...
The "well run" part is a big issue. Especially when there's not rich family to protest, and even when there is, there can be a lot of abuse in those sorts of schools on top of the ease with which people decide certain parents/homes aren't fit for a child because of cultural differences not objective safety and well-being.
In a hypothetical happy place the idea of more communal child rearing and education is absolutely a positive one though, whether that's a boarding school, kids being raised in a sort of creche, etc.
Totally agreed on your latter point that they can be well run, but it's doing a lot of heavy lifting. And also your first point where being rich also doesn't completely insulate children. Thinking...
Totally agreed on your latter point that they can be well run, but it's doing a lot of heavy lifting. And also your first point where being rich also doesn't completely insulate children. Thinking of Paris Hilton and C S Lewis, for example, where their families are rich and "comfortable", respectively, but were sent to schools with good reputation that were in fact quite abusive.
Fascinating read. In an earlier section of the piece where the author mentioned the teachers don't get paid much more than public schools, I was thinking, well then if I had that kind of money why the heck wouldn't I just hire subject matter experts as tutors?
The answer is that the author got his resume recognized, that alums recognize alums, and they're there to pick up culture.
If we're all treating education as means of success rather than ends in themselves, then cutting straight to success is a swifter and surer formula.
It sounds like a little mini country unto themselves: there's a sort of welfare, a finance and development and education department, a sort of tax system, a sort of retirement safety net, a sort of justice and rehabilitation, and a sort of way to take care of younger generations after you.
It's only somewhat disgusting only because some/many of us don't get somewhat appetizing free meals, somewhat outdated and minimally maintained housing, slaps on the wrists with chances to do better, and the social stepladder to make the world still seem like it has options to be middle class once we graduate. I don't want them to lose what they've got going, I just want the rest of us to be given those things too.
I didn't say anything after I read this earlier in the week because of how grumpy it made me lol, which was prob a good call but I keep thinking about it: I feel like the exclusivity of it is what makes it what it is, which is elitism. Right? Like if we all had our needs provided for then how would it be demonstrated that this is something 99.99% of people cannot afford.
But I thought part of me must be just jaded or grumpy, there's got to be a historical model for what you're describing—I can't think of one. Colleges for wizards in Elder Scrolls games & Harry Potter, maybe? And maybe it's not elitism et al that's got me feeling this way but this one specific writer's particular bent: at the beginning I thought "well there's no way this guy was a teacher," but I was wrong so then I assumed that his parents must have come from money—again, wrong, his dad was also a teacher. And it's def possible to have been so immersed in elitist culture that you pick up on all the mannerisms without the funding, all posh no dosh as it were, but my final guess (and I could be completely wrong) is that this individual's grandfather did exceptionally well in life, because that sort of thing allows for this kind of career & the subsequent perspective of "Well of course things are this way."
I'll settle for food, shelter and safety for all kids, even if we don't all get prestigious education.
But I can absolutely see the Help class staunchly defined the upper class. Sort of like how miners and energy workers defend their industry
it's the Southern Strategy at work again—if you're a temporarily embarassed
millionairebillionaire, you won't want to do anything too upsetting for those guys.Beyond that, being the help to old wealth can be a secure life. Not rich, to be clear, and with no expectation that you'll transcend your position, but you'll be looked after. That's touched on a little bit in the lenient nature of punishment for the ingroup (which does include the teachers), but goes beyond that in ways not laid out in the article. An elderly aunt of mine who grew up very wealthy fought her siblings to made sure that her mother's assistant did receive the $200,000 that was left to her in the will. But it wasn't certain. It took years of wrangling, and that sort of thing isn't to be relied on. So you're a good little worker bee in hopes of largesse.
yeah i've looked at a lot of career change path opportunities in the past year or so, & it seems like if you can get into something where you're helping people who have a lot of money, and aren't purporting to be philanthropic or cajoling in your line of work, they are a lot more willing to cut you in a tiny bit. Which coming from government work seems like less of a fly on the giant bloated corpse of capitalism and more like one of those birds that eats the flies off the hippopotamus for him. So I guess that's my goal now lol
Decades ago I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking about what made good students and what made bad students, and in my experience the difference tended to be mostly arranged around the students’ home life. So my thought was “why don’t we have a public, tuition-free boarding school?” Obviously it couldn’t solve every problem, but it would be great because it would mean that students had a baseline of support that their parents could not or would not afford, giving them a better chance to learn some of the soft skills they needed to be successful in school.
I am not the only person to have these thoughts, so there are some low tuition boarding schools out there. When I had first thought of this, the only example I could find was the SEED School in Miami, Florida. The good news is that it looks like their model has been successful and they have four schools now, but I don’t know if there are any other organizations attempting a similar model.
The residential school model was once a popular one across North America, but it fell out of fashion.
:| well, I mean.....that folks do get lured out to dates and murdered doesn't invalidate dating as a whole.
The residential schools were always genocide focused and never honest about education or care for children. That's obviously not what I would advocate for in any world.
Setting aside the actual child abuse which probably wouldn't occur if we implemented this sort of thing today, it would still be cultural genocide. The whole point of these schools is to ensure that their graduates are proper members of the school's culture. If everyone went into such schools, the people who came out would be closer to a monoculture than the people who went in.
Oh absolutely the goal was, again, genocide of their entire culture. That children were killed and hurt was just a "nice bonus" for those sick [redacted]. The Canadian gov't kept it up after Res Schools with sixties scoop and even just today: Bill C-5 ramming through Parliament. It never ended.
Right. What I'm saying is that my answer to the question that Akir asked (“why don’t we have a public, tuition-free boarding school?”) is that people who want public education in general are reluctant to engage in cultural genocide, and people who want to dissolve public education want exactly that, but through non-public options. Either way, the genocidal nature of the construct is well known, but the people who want public education don't want those side effects of removing children from their varied cultural contexts. This is one of the main reasons why we don't have a public, tuition-free boarding school.
got it. "because of the implications" feel like it applies here :< good answer to Akir
I think if they're well run and offered as a choice between free day school with meals and bus, or full boarding, they can be really positive. Home stays for foreign students kind of have the same idea, minus the prestige and Scion grooming aspect, but a good school home can be way better than an unstable and unsafe home in the worst cases. Obviously where minors, money, and monitoring overlap one needs to tread very carefully and have things be highly transparent and accountable
The "well run" part is a big issue. Especially when there's not rich family to protest, and even when there is, there can be a lot of abuse in those sorts of schools on top of the ease with which people decide certain parents/homes aren't fit for a child because of cultural differences not objective safety and well-being.
In a hypothetical happy place the idea of more communal child rearing and education is absolutely a positive one though, whether that's a boarding school, kids being raised in a sort of creche, etc.
Totally agreed on your latter point that they can be well run, but it's doing a lot of heavy lifting. And also your first point where being rich also doesn't completely insulate children. Thinking of Paris Hilton and C S Lewis, for example, where their families are rich and "comfortable", respectively, but were sent to schools with good reputation that were in fact quite abusive.
Putting this under finance since it's largely about money issues, and how it intersects with culture.
What an interesting peek into a hidden bit of society.