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  1. [3]
    lepigpen
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    A) wasn't Gordon doing shows like this when Anthony was alive? kinad like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om9XZaPeGMI B) I don't recall many episodes of Bourdain doing indigenous stuff, some...

    A) wasn't Gordon doing shows like this when Anthony was alive? kinad like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om9XZaPeGMI

    B) I don't recall many episodes of Bourdain doing indigenous stuff, some historical stuff within cities but that's about it

    C) I really fuckin hate Vice

    16 votes
    1. TheJorro
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      Regarding B: I recall Bourdain explored Indigenous culture quite a bit in Parts Unknown, but it was usually presented more as how they're getting by now and how they got to this point as opposed...

      Regarding B: I recall Bourdain explored Indigenous culture quite a bit in Parts Unknown, but it was usually presented more as how they're getting by now and how they got to this point as opposed to anything focusing on food. For example, in the Hawaii episode, he went to the island that has an relatively isolated indigenous population and spent some time sitting, eating, and learning with them to find out how they keep their culture alive in the modern day.

      9 votes
    2. actionscripted
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      Regarding C: I used to love Vice -- and I still do love some of their features -- but a lot of their regular content reads like a salty Pitchfork reviewer writing negative clickbait.

      Regarding C: I used to love Vice -- and I still do love some of their features -- but a lot of their regular content reads like a salty Pitchfork reviewer writing negative clickbait.

      5 votes
  2. [7]
    IvyMike
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    I've grown to loathe Ramsay over the years. He's responsible for popularizing the most toxic elements of kitchen culture. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/opinion/sexism-in-the-kitchen.html...

    I've grown to loathe Ramsay over the years. He's responsible for popularizing the most toxic elements of kitchen culture.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/opinion/sexism-in-the-kitchen.html
    https://thetakeout.com/chefs-are-fed-up-with-gordon-ramsays-bullshit-but-ame-1825471733

    Glad to see his "he acts like a bully but really has a hearty of gold" act is wearing thin.

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      alyaza
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      the blame for this, media wise anyways, falls almost squarely with the american public and its desire to see assholes, because that's the whole motivator for his shtick on the american versions of...

      I've grown to loathe Ramsay over the years. He's responsible for popularizing the most toxic elements of kitchen culture.

      the blame for this, media wise anyways, falls almost squarely with the american public and its desire to see assholes, because that's the whole motivator for his shtick on the american versions of his shows. he's pretty docile on the UK versions of his shows and in literally anything that is not pure american reality TV, and it's always been a much better reflection of how he actually acts.

      13 votes
      1. [2]
        NaraVara
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        Even then I feel like in the American show he's mostly just being a jerk to owners and executive chefs, and it's mostly due to their unwillingness to put their egos aside and make the necessary...

        Even then I feel like in the American show he's mostly just being a jerk to owners and executive chefs, and it's mostly due to their unwillingness to put their egos aside and make the necessary changes. Granted, a lot of that is probably just manipulative editing to make Ramsay seem more heroic, but I don't think I've really seen him blow-up at anyone who isn't in a managerial role. He mostly seems pretty sympathetic to the servers and line cooks working under inept or abusive business owners.

        4 votes
        1. actionscripted
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          He's good at shaking things up at the owner/manager level because that's almost always where the problems stem from. When you have a few days or a week or whatever time they usually spend helping...

          He's good at shaking things up at the owner/manager level because that's almost always where the problems stem from.

          When you have a few days or a week or whatever time they usually spend helping restaurants on shows like Kitchen Nightmares, Restaurant Impossible, et al. you don't have time to gently address/fix you have to sort of charge your way through it and I think that leads to more aggressive tactics.

          Of course, it's also about marketing and viewership. A quick clip of someone being super emotional can be intriguing and if positioned near the end of the episode can keep you watching through the whole thing. They do this same thing with shows like The Bachelor and even game shows like Spin The Wheel.

          8 votes
    2. [3]
      welly
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      I think the guy is an absolute prat. But it's acting. It's set up, it's all staged. It's not real, despite it being called reality tv. Do we condemn Alan Rickman for always being the bad guy? I am...

      I think the guy is an absolute prat. But it's acting. It's set up, it's all staged. It's not real, despite it being called reality tv. Do we condemn Alan Rickman for always being the bad guy? I am in no way comparing Alan Rickman and Gordon Ramsay but they're playing similar roles as bad cops.

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        IvyMike
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        Here's video of him before having a TV show: https://youtu.be/Mz_01tjBwAE Maybe he's just acting there too. I dunno. But the fact that he continues to promote toxic kitchen culture just to make a...

        Here's video of him before having a TV show: https://youtu.be/Mz_01tjBwAE

        Maybe he's just acting there too. I dunno.

        But the fact that he continues to promote toxic kitchen culture just to make a buck doesn't let him off the hook.

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        1. welly
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          That's fair, and true.

          That's fair, and true.

          1 vote
  3. annadane
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    To blame Ramsay as a symbol is a bit silly. And you do need to set standards in a professional kitchen in order to get things right, if you don't rule with an iron fist sometimes, people produce...

    To blame Ramsay as a symbol is a bit silly. And you do need to set standards in a professional kitchen in order to get things right, if you don't rule with an iron fist sometimes, people produce substandard work. That said, I know even other chefs don't like Ramsay much. Marco Pierre White has said that he'll never speak to him again for example

    4 votes