Started the video thinking how funny a concept it was to basically create aim assist that controls your IRL aim rather than your in-game aim. Finished the video thinking about all the...
Started the video thinking how funny a concept it was to basically create aim assist that controls your IRL aim rather than your in-game aim. Finished the video thinking about all the cyberpunk-esque scenarios that this sort of tech could be used for in the future if/when it develops. Felt interesting enough to share!
Very cool idea and pretty nuts to build this, thanks for sharing! Part of me wonders if this is a troll video to make cheaters electrocute themselves. 🙂 Because I have my doubts about the accuracy...
Very cool idea and pretty nuts to build this, thanks for sharing!
Part of me wonders if this is a troll video to make cheaters electrocute themselves. 🙂
Because I have my doubts about the accuracy one can achieve with this, and I would assume that more than one muscle group is needed to move your arm/hand with this precision? I don't know. Intuitively I'd assume this is too simple to be true, but maybe it just works? Hm.
But if this actually works as good as presented in the video, I could see this wrecking competitive online shooters once people start selling toolkits based on this idea. Then people could get disqualified for "sub-human reaction times due to cybernetic enhancements" which is pretty cool. 🙂
Yeah the cybernetic enhancements part is what interested me the most. Like I know we aren't anywhere near just dropping by our nearest big box store and picking up some off-the-shelf fix for...
Yeah the cybernetic enhancements part is what interested me the most. Like I know we aren't anywhere near just dropping by our nearest big box store and picking up some off-the-shelf fix for terrible aim, but it is a cool concept. The way I see it was less that it would control your entire arm, and more that it would just enhance your reflexes and speed. At least in the beginning. Maybe one day it'll develop to the point where it just does it all for you, but in the early days I can see it as a sort of marketing gimmick that claims to help you 'git gud' quick.
Like imagine something like this connected to your arm that helps you shoot a basket ball free throw more accurately. Or connected to your leg that helps you kick a soccer free kick with more power. Or a field goal in football. Like maybe in the 2060 Olympics there will be rules for these sorts of things the same way that there are rules today about specific equipment and materials allowed on things like swimsuits and running shoes. Cybernetic doping basically.
... Or it could go nowhere. That's the fun in speculating about future technologies.
Not sure if he edited out the absolutely massive amount of calibration required to figure out the exact amount of stimulation to get the movement he needed (and the method for getting the arm and...
Not sure if he edited out the absolutely massive amount of calibration required to figure out the exact amount of stimulation to get the movement he needed (and the method for getting the arm and electrodes in the exact same place every time) or if it's just straight up mostly fake.
Clearly at least the former because that content would bore anyone to tears and showing it would serve nobody. It's implied he tested it with that kid and then calibrated it himself. Whether or...
Clearly at least the former because that content would bore anyone to tears and showing it would serve nobody. It's implied he tested it with that kid and then calibrated it himself.
Whether or not you trust a microcenter sponsored content YouTuber is entirely up to you. I think faking this would take on an outsized risk to his credibility that they might as well just do the thing. And the sponsorship means he likely has the funds required to do it at least somewhat properly.
Several thoughts: Yeah it's still cheating lol but it's cool as hell (assuming it is real but I am suspicious). He isn't using his own eyes, his own brain to play the game but instead relying on...
Several thoughts:
Yeah it's still cheating lol but it's cool as hell (assuming it is real but I am suspicious). He isn't using his own eyes, his own brain to play the game but instead relying on actual cheat tools.
Did he think to talk to a doctor or PT? Maybe he did and they recommended against it so that was too boring to include, but I'd think one would have some good insight here, particularly a PT.
I've used these and while they feel weird, enough to get a vocal response from me, but they definitely weren't doing a shock. He mentions turning it up, does he push more current through? Does that really speed up his movement or is that necessary to send the signal deep enough into muscle tissue?
IIRC with NMES you're not recruiting directly the muscle fibers but rather the nerves that control them. While you can recruit more nerves with more current (some nerve fibers are buried deeper)...
He mentions turning it up, does he push more current through? Does that really speed up his movement or is that necessary to send the signal deep enough into muscle tissue?
IIRC with NMES you're not recruiting directly the muscle fibers but rather the nerves that control them. While you can recruit more nerves with more current (some nerve fibers are buried deeper) there's only so much fibers you can recruit. At some point you might get unwanted nerves. Also: the pain threshold is often under the maximum recruitment current. In other words: maximum stimulation will hurt for sure. While I'm sure he's playing up a bit for YouTube, it's not completely irrealistic.
Source: I made basically the same experiment (although 1D, and no Counter Strike) for my Master's thesis 8 years ago.
Passable in absolute term but not very good. I lacked some essential technical skills to complete the project and my supervisor wasn't able to point me to effective resource and/or libraries for...
How well did your thesis pan out?
Passable in absolute term but not very good. I lacked some essential technical skills to complete the project and my supervisor wasn't able to point me to effective resource and/or libraries for some of the stuff he wanted me to implement - he wanted me to implement a PID controller for my arm from scratch (everything in Labview) and directly go beyond the 1D PoC with a quaternion representation of the orientation of the arm; alas PID controllers and quaternion was not something I studied and I developed a severe allergy to Labview.
is this realistic or is he pullin' our leg?
That's plausible but in a typical youtuber fashion he's probably overdoing it with the stimulation parameter and going over the pain threshold, with a simple algorithm that's like "maximum stimulation until crosshair is on target". Without pain IIRC we can only stimulate a muscle at 50% or so of what we can do naturally.
I thiiiiiiiiink his up/left/down/right setup is a bit of and oversimplification ? For the left/right movement there's a pair of muscle that good for it (try to wave and make a hello gesture by moving only the wrist) but for a forward/backward movement it's a combination of several muscles. But I might be wrong and anatomy is not my strong suit.
Started the video thinking how funny a concept it was to basically create aim assist that controls your IRL aim rather than your in-game aim. Finished the video thinking about all the cyberpunk-esque scenarios that this sort of tech could be used for in the future if/when it develops. Felt interesting enough to share!
Very cool idea and pretty nuts to build this, thanks for sharing!
Part of me wonders if this is a troll video to make cheaters electrocute themselves. 🙂
Because I have my doubts about the accuracy one can achieve with this, and I would assume that more than one muscle group is needed to move your arm/hand with this precision? I don't know. Intuitively I'd assume this is too simple to be true, but maybe it just works? Hm.
But if this actually works as good as presented in the video, I could see this wrecking competitive online shooters once people start selling toolkits based on this idea. Then people could get disqualified for "sub-human reaction times due to cybernetic enhancements" which is pretty cool. 🙂
Yeah the cybernetic enhancements part is what interested me the most. Like I know we aren't anywhere near just dropping by our nearest big box store and picking up some off-the-shelf fix for terrible aim, but it is a cool concept. The way I see it was less that it would control your entire arm, and more that it would just enhance your reflexes and speed. At least in the beginning. Maybe one day it'll develop to the point where it just does it all for you, but in the early days I can see it as a sort of marketing gimmick that claims to help you 'git gud' quick.
Like imagine something like this connected to your arm that helps you shoot a basket ball free throw more accurately. Or connected to your leg that helps you kick a soccer free kick with more power. Or a field goal in football. Like maybe in the 2060 Olympics there will be rules for these sorts of things the same way that there are rules today about specific equipment and materials allowed on things like swimsuits and running shoes. Cybernetic doping basically.
... Or it could go nowhere. That's the fun in speculating about future technologies.
Not sure if he edited out the absolutely massive amount of calibration required to figure out the exact amount of stimulation to get the movement he needed (and the method for getting the arm and electrodes in the exact same place every time) or if it's just straight up mostly fake.
Clearly at least the former because that content would bore anyone to tears and showing it would serve nobody. It's implied he tested it with that kid and then calibrated it himself.
Whether or not you trust a microcenter sponsored content YouTuber is entirely up to you. I think faking this would take on an outsized risk to his credibility that they might as well just do the thing. And the sponsorship means he likely has the funds required to do it at least somewhat properly.
Several thoughts:
Yeah it's still cheating lol but it's cool as hell (assuming it is real but I am suspicious). He isn't using his own eyes, his own brain to play the game but instead relying on actual cheat tools.
Did he think to talk to a doctor or PT? Maybe he did and they recommended against it so that was too boring to include, but I'd think one would have some good insight here, particularly a PT.
I've used these and while they feel weird, enough to get a vocal response from me, but they definitely weren't doing a shock. He mentions turning it up, does he push more current through? Does that really speed up his movement or is that necessary to send the signal deep enough into muscle tissue?
IIRC with NMES you're not recruiting directly the muscle fibers but rather the nerves that control them. While you can recruit more nerves with more current (some nerve fibers are buried deeper) there's only so much fibers you can recruit. At some point you might get unwanted nerves. Also: the pain threshold is often under the maximum recruitment current. In other words: maximum stimulation will hurt for sure. While I'm sure he's playing up a bit for YouTube, it's not completely irrealistic.
Source: I made basically the same experiment (although 1D, and no Counter Strike) for my Master's thesis 8 years ago.
Thank you for the informed response! How well did your thesis pan out? In your opinion, is this realistic or is he pullin' our leg?
Passable in absolute term but not very good. I lacked some essential technical skills to complete the project and my supervisor wasn't able to point me to effective resource and/or libraries for some of the stuff he wanted me to implement - he wanted me to implement a PID controller for my arm from scratch (everything in Labview) and directly go beyond the 1D PoC with a quaternion representation of the orientation of the arm; alas PID controllers and quaternion was not something I studied and I developed a severe allergy to Labview.
That's plausible but in a typical youtuber fashion he's probably overdoing it with the stimulation parameter and going over the pain threshold, with a simple algorithm that's like "maximum stimulation until crosshair is on target". Without pain IIRC we can only stimulate a muscle at 50% or so of what we can do naturally.
I thiiiiiiiiink his up/left/down/right setup is a bit of and oversimplification ? For the left/right movement there's a pair of muscle that good for it (try to wave and make a hello gesture by moving only the wrist) but for a forward/backward movement it's a combination of several muscles. But I might be wrong and anatomy is not my strong suit.