I'm incredibly excited by the FO76 reveal. I got into the game in December when things were still really messed up (they're mostly fixed now...mostly) and I've been playing it ever since. They...
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I'm incredibly excited by the FO76 reveal. I got into the game in December when things were still really messed up (they're mostly fixed now...mostly) and I've been playing it ever since. They seem to have taken a lot of the criticism to heart and as a result we got some really solid content updates (and bug fixes, oh so many bug fixes). It basically scratches the itch that WoW once did and FO4 did.
We knew we were getting a battle royale mode ahead of time from datamining. I'm not a fan of PVP and fortunately it's very easy to avoid in FO76. But I will say that they seem to be approaching it correctly. It'll be its own game mode, no player-targeting via VATS, and you're basically starting from scratch with a new character to play it. Also they're wrapping it in a sufficiently Fallout-ish story that it doesn't look like it'll feel out of place. Vault and an insane AI? Yes, that sounds right.
But more importantly to me was the announcement of Wastelanders. FO76 took a lot of flak for not including human NPCs, which I never thought was very fair. The entire point of the storyline is that humanity is wiped out in Appalachia because of a plague spread by mutated bats that turns living things into members of a hivemind. You discover humans are gone, then the reason why, then you get a feel for the steps various factions took to combat the plague, then you take their collective work and use it to stop the plague entirely. Discovering these things via terminals, robots, and visual storytelling has been frustrating at times, but I think it made for some really fascinating storytelling.
So now Wastelanders is reintroducing human NPCs, choice-based dialogue, factions, etc. While I think some of that was in response to the backlash, I think it was the natural progression of things. And I think the overall story of the game will have been better for this human-free period of the game. We're heavily invested in the area, we're the ones who built it back up from the ashes. And now we've got people from god knows where coming in to settle the area. We're seeing actual in-game progression of the world, which is something Fallout has never done before.
edit added 6/11:
Just wanted to add that I had zero interest in the BR mode (Nuclear Winter aka NW) leading up to its announcement. I kind of hated that they'd shoehorn it into the game. I worried it'd bring in the wrong kind of player (FO76's playerbase is seriously the kindest multiplayerbase I've ever encountered and BR communities are just awful), take away focus from PVE content, feel as clunky as parts of the core game did at launch, etc. But I stand corrected.
I played 3 NW matches last night and it was a huge blast. Maybe knowing the game inside and out helps me overcome my frustrations with BR games? Maybe Bethesda did a really good job. Maybe both. But I plan to play NW a lot going forward.
Never would've guessed they'd revive Keen. I mostly just wonder how they still think showing off mobile games is going to work out for them. Nothing wrong with mobile games and it isn't right that...
Never would've guessed they'd revive Keen.
I mostly just wonder how they still think showing off mobile games is going to work out for them. Nothing wrong with mobile games and it isn't right that the core audience that pays attention to E3 hates on them, but they have to have an idea of the reaction they get, right? It just cements the narrative that they've completely gone downhill.
I always assume that the devs themselves know those segments will be received poorly, and that they're forced to do it because of management/marketing pressure. "You've got an audience of hundreds...
I always assume that the devs themselves know those segments will be received poorly, and that they're forced to do it because of management/marketing pressure. "You've got an audience of hundreds of thousands of people and will get a ton of press on whatever you announce, you're showing the damn mobile games too."
Doom Eternal looks pretty good. I love the focus on its gameplay here. The battle mode looks awesome. Is the game still going to also have Dark Souls style invasions in campaign as previously...
Doom Eternal looks pretty good. I love the focus on its gameplay here. The battle mode looks awesome. Is the game still going to also have Dark Souls style invasions in campaign as previously announced? I hope battle mode didn't replace that because I really want it.
None of the stuff they showed really interests me. After the past couple years I’m extremely cautious about TESVI but that’s my most anticipated title of the lot. Frankly I don’t trust today’s...
None of the stuff they showed really interests me. After the past couple years I’m extremely cautious about TESVI but that’s my most anticipated title of the lot. Frankly I don’t trust today’s Bethesda not to ruin it.
Starfall could be interesting but we don’t really know anything about it yet.
Looks like they're really trying to salvage the mess that was Fallout 76. Honestly, the updates look pretty good and substantial, but the title is so tainted already that it will be hard to come...
Looks like they're really trying to salvage the mess that was Fallout 76. Honestly, the updates look pretty good and substantial, but the title is so tainted already that it will be hard to come back from. Although, if No Man's Sky could turn it around maybe they can too.
Honestly I really think if they hadn't botched the launch of FO76 (specifically bugs, server instability, and easily avoidable shit like the bags), the game would be held in a much higher regard....
Honestly I really think if they hadn't botched the launch of FO76 (specifically bugs, server instability, and easily avoidable shit like the bags), the game would be held in a much higher regard. It's a very different Fallout game, but it's still Fallout at its core. They've been really good about regular content updates and addressing bugs.
I'm hoping the free week will help draw people in. It's a good game, it just had a really rocky start (which is entirely Bethesda's fault). Also on the off chance that someone here sees this and place on PC, feel free to friend me -- toxican88
I actually largely agree. People are rightfully very angry when a large studio like Bethesda botches something as big and anticipated as FO76, and then takes a while to fix it and doesn't...
I actually largely agree. People are rightfully very angry when a large studio like Bethesda botches something as big and anticipated as FO76, and then takes a while to fix it and doesn't communicate very well with the community. In many ways it is warranted, but I think often people are too quick to write off the entire game, especially in the gaming landscape today where updates can essentially be continuously pushed from day one. No Man's Sky was similar - it was a shell of what was promised at launch, and the devs essentially lied to the community about what they could expect. But, they stuck with the game and are still releasing substantial updates to the game and have added tons and tons of new features, even beyond what was initially promised. It's actually a good game now that I think a lot of people would enjoy, but it got written off at launch (well, there has been some turnaround in perception because of how dedicated the studio has been to reviving it, but still).
I bet FO76 is largely the same. With these just announced updates and all of the fixes since launch, I bet it will actually be a good and enjoyable game. But the launch tainted it and I doubt it will ever get the user base a game of that quality probably warrants.
I'm incredibly excited by the FO76 reveal. I got into the game in December when things were still really messed up (they're mostly fixed now...mostly) and I've been playing it ever since. They seem to have taken a lot of the criticism to heart and as a result we got some really solid content updates (and bug fixes, oh so many bug fixes). It basically scratches the itch that WoW once did and FO4 did.
We knew we were getting a battle royale mode ahead of time from datamining. I'm not a fan of PVP and fortunately it's very easy to avoid in FO76. But I will say that they seem to be approaching it correctly. It'll be its own game mode, no player-targeting via VATS, and you're basically starting from scratch with a new character to play it. Also they're wrapping it in a sufficiently Fallout-ish story that it doesn't look like it'll feel out of place. Vault and an insane AI? Yes, that sounds right.
But more importantly to me was the announcement of Wastelanders. FO76 took a lot of flak for not including human NPCs, which I never thought was very fair. The entire point of the storyline is that humanity is wiped out in Appalachia because of a plague spread by mutated bats that turns living things into members of a hivemind. You discover humans are gone, then the reason why, then you get a feel for the steps various factions took to combat the plague, then you take their collective work and use it to stop the plague entirely. Discovering these things via terminals, robots, and visual storytelling has been frustrating at times, but I think it made for some really fascinating storytelling.
So now Wastelanders is reintroducing human NPCs, choice-based dialogue, factions, etc. While I think some of that was in response to the backlash, I think it was the natural progression of things. And I think the overall story of the game will have been better for this human-free period of the game. We're heavily invested in the area, we're the ones who built it back up from the ashes. And now we've got people from god knows where coming in to settle the area. We're seeing actual in-game progression of the world, which is something Fallout has never done before.
edit added 6/11:
Just wanted to add that I had zero interest in the BR mode (Nuclear Winter aka NW) leading up to its announcement. I kind of hated that they'd shoehorn it into the game. I worried it'd bring in the wrong kind of player (FO76's playerbase is seriously the kindest multiplayerbase I've ever encountered and BR communities are just awful), take away focus from PVE content, feel as clunky as parts of the core game did at launch, etc. But I stand corrected.
I played 3 NW matches last night and it was a huge blast. Maybe knowing the game inside and out helps me overcome my frustrations with BR games? Maybe Bethesda did a really good job. Maybe both. But I plan to play NW a lot going forward.
Never would've guessed they'd revive Keen.
I mostly just wonder how they still think showing off mobile games is going to work out for them. Nothing wrong with mobile games and it isn't right that the core audience that pays attention to E3 hates on them, but they have to have an idea of the reaction they get, right? It just cements the narrative that they've completely gone downhill.
I always assume that the devs themselves know those segments will be received poorly, and that they're forced to do it because of management/marketing pressure. "You've got an audience of hundreds of thousands of people and will get a ton of press on whatever you announce, you're showing the damn mobile games too."
Doom Eternal looks pretty good. I love the focus on its gameplay here. The battle mode looks awesome. Is the game still going to also have Dark Souls style invasions in campaign as previously announced? I hope battle mode didn't replace that because I really want it.
Can't bring myself to watch after what they did with Fallout 76. I'll keep up as its announced though.
None of the stuff they showed really interests me. After the past couple years I’m extremely cautious about TESVI but that’s my most anticipated title of the lot. Frankly I don’t trust today’s Bethesda not to ruin it.
Starfall could be interesting but we don’t really know anything about it yet.
I was going to make this thread but got tied up. Thanks for making it.
Let's see what they have to say and joke about.
Looks like they're really trying to salvage the mess that was Fallout 76. Honestly, the updates look pretty good and substantial, but the title is so tainted already that it will be hard to come back from. Although, if No Man's Sky could turn it around maybe they can too.
Honestly I really think if they hadn't botched the launch of FO76 (specifically bugs, server instability, and easily avoidable shit like the bags), the game would be held in a much higher regard. It's a very different Fallout game, but it's still Fallout at its core. They've been really good about regular content updates and addressing bugs.
I'm hoping the free week will help draw people in. It's a good game, it just had a really rocky start (which is entirely Bethesda's fault). Also on the off chance that someone here sees this and place on PC, feel free to friend me -- toxican88
I actually largely agree. People are rightfully very angry when a large studio like Bethesda botches something as big and anticipated as FO76, and then takes a while to fix it and doesn't communicate very well with the community. In many ways it is warranted, but I think often people are too quick to write off the entire game, especially in the gaming landscape today where updates can essentially be continuously pushed from day one. No Man's Sky was similar - it was a shell of what was promised at launch, and the devs essentially lied to the community about what they could expect. But, they stuck with the game and are still releasing substantial updates to the game and have added tons and tons of new features, even beyond what was initially promised. It's actually a good game now that I think a lot of people would enjoy, but it got written off at launch (well, there has been some turnaround in perception because of how dedicated the studio has been to reviving it, but still).
I bet FO76 is largely the same. With these just announced updates and all of the fixes since launch, I bet it will actually be a good and enjoyable game. But the launch tainted it and I doubt it will ever get the user base a game of that quality probably warrants.