Although the developer notes that “we cannot say much more about the split,” many fans have speculated that it could be due to the comments of one Void Interactive dev yesterday (December 20) on the subject of a school shooting level.
When one player asked if Ready Or Not should “have a school shooting mission in the campaign”, a Void Interactive developer answered: “You better believe it’s gonna”.
Uff. Can't blame Team 17 for not wanting to touch that. There's a way to do school schootings in media (a couple of films did it rather well). But if videogame culture still is all about "how to...
Uff. Can't blame Team 17 for not wanting to touch that. There's a way to do school schootings in media (a couple of films did it rather well). But if videogame culture still is all about "how to make it fun", that just has to end awkwardly.
While I have no interest in playing a cop simulator, I'm not sure I understand why there'd be issue with a cop simulator having a mission where they respond to a school shooting. How's it any...
While I have no interest in playing a cop simulator, I'm not sure I understand why there'd be issue with a cop simulator having a mission where they respond to a school shooting. How's it any different than a hostage situation, drug bust, swatting a streamer, or any other reason a bunch of cops would run a raid?
It's a catch 22. If it isn't any different, that trivializes it. If it is, that difference would require a level of maturity in handling the topic that FPS games have not even come close to...
It's a catch 22. If it isn't any different, that trivializes it. If it is, that difference would require a level of maturity in handling the topic that FPS games have not even come close to manage.
The problem is that, traditionally, games like this are gun and bullet penetration simulators. A game that handles this topic with adequate respect would have to come from a perspective of psychological trauma since that would overshadow everything else. If they can't do that (I have doubts) you're left with the question why do a campaign like that at all? To get attention?
Watching the trailer on Steam, it seems the purpose of the game is to get perpetrators to surrender alive. I'm not sure how school shootings should get any more "adequate respect" than a hostage...
Watching the trailer on Steam, it seems the purpose of the game is to get perpetrators to surrender alive. I'm not sure how school shootings should get any more "adequate respect" than a hostage situation or any other mass shooting.
If the bar for a mission's inclusion is adequate respect of the psychological trauma of the scenario then I'd argue that it likely isn't being met for any mission in any FPS...
...or any game for that matter. Microsoft's Flight Simulator doesn't take into account the trauma of crashing an airliner. COD/Battlefield/any military FPS doesn't take the realities of PTSD into account. Left 4 Dead/zombie games don't consider the psychological trauma of a post-apocalyptical world on the average individual. Farming Simulator doesn't account for the psychological trauma of others losing their livelihood as beekeepers to colony collapse disorder by the overuse of pesticides. The myriad of adult games don't review their content from the viewpoint of sexual assault victims.
The point being that no game takes into account the full impact of their gameplay scenarios, it is expected that the consumer self-regulate their gaming choices. So if a game is designed to be a SWAT simulator and responding to a school shooting is a reasonable scenario (SWAT response to an alien invasion being an example of an unreasonable scenario), then such a mission being included isn't a greater task than any other. The only question is how explicit the scenario will be and how that extends to every other scenario (e.g. police regularly shoot dogs during raids).
It's mass murder of school children, though. Call me old-fashioned but that seems like a different kind of scenario than a bank robber taking hostages or busting a drug lab. In any case, I...
It's mass murder of school children, though. Call me old-fashioned but that seems like a different kind of scenario than a bank robber taking hostages or busting a drug lab.
In any case, I actually argue for giving the devs a chance to try and judge the result. But the result will be judged and that's fair IMO. We're talking about a publisher dropping support, not an outright ban.
I don't adhere to the credence that a child's life is more valuable than any other. Not censorship, but your previous comment indicated there being no point to having the mission at all. I'm...
I don't adhere to the credence that a child's life is more valuable than any other.
Not censorship, but your previous comment indicated there being no point to having the mission at all.
I'm relatively sure that the devs will likely have the scenario in a "perfect response" sort of thing where every classroom door has been shut and locked with all the kids unharmed. They may have the mission included, but I'm doubting they're going to have murdered children laying in the halls.
Uff. Can't blame Team 17 for not wanting to touch that. There's a way to do school schootings in media (a couple of films did it rather well). But if videogame culture still is all about "how to make it fun", that just has to end awkwardly.
While I have no interest in playing a cop simulator, I'm not sure I understand why there'd be issue with a cop simulator having a mission where they respond to a school shooting. How's it any different than a hostage situation, drug bust, swatting a streamer, or any other reason a bunch of cops would run a raid?
It's a catch 22. If it isn't any different, that trivializes it. If it is, that difference would require a level of maturity in handling the topic that FPS games have not even come close to manage.
The problem is that, traditionally, games like this are gun and bullet penetration simulators. A game that handles this topic with adequate respect would have to come from a perspective of psychological trauma since that would overshadow everything else. If they can't do that (I have doubts) you're left with the question why do a campaign like that at all? To get attention?
Watching the trailer on Steam, it seems the purpose of the game is to get perpetrators to surrender alive. I'm not sure how school shootings should get any more "adequate respect" than a hostage situation or any other mass shooting.
If the bar for a mission's inclusion is adequate respect of the psychological trauma of the scenario then I'd argue that it likely isn't being met for any mission in any FPS...
...or any game for that matter. Microsoft's Flight Simulator doesn't take into account the trauma of crashing an airliner. COD/Battlefield/any military FPS doesn't take the realities of PTSD into account. Left 4 Dead/zombie games don't consider the psychological trauma of a post-apocalyptical world on the average individual. Farming Simulator doesn't account for the psychological trauma of others losing their livelihood as beekeepers to colony collapse disorder by the overuse of pesticides. The myriad of adult games don't review their content from the viewpoint of sexual assault victims.
The point being that no game takes into account the full impact of their gameplay scenarios, it is expected that the consumer self-regulate their gaming choices. So if a game is designed to be a SWAT simulator and responding to a school shooting is a reasonable scenario (SWAT response to an alien invasion being an example of an unreasonable scenario), then such a mission being included isn't a greater task than any other. The only question is how explicit the scenario will be and how that extends to every other scenario (e.g. police regularly shoot dogs during raids).
It's mass murder of school children, though. Call me old-fashioned but that seems like a different kind of scenario than a bank robber taking hostages or busting a drug lab.
In any case, I actually argue for giving the devs a chance to try and judge the result. But the result will be judged and that's fair IMO. We're talking about a publisher dropping support, not an outright ban.
I don't adhere to the credence that a child's life is more valuable than any other.
Not censorship, but your previous comment indicated there being no point to having the mission at all.
I'm relatively sure that the devs will likely have the scenario in a "perfect response" sort of thing where every classroom door has been shut and locked with all the kids unharmed. They may have the mission included, but I'm doubting they're going to have murdered children laying in the halls.
Well, let's agree to disagree, then.