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NIH studies find severe symptoms of “Havana Syndrome,” but no evidence of MRI-detectable brain injury or biological abnormalities

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  1. ackables
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    Maybe we are finding out that we know much less about brain injuries than we thought. The army reservist mass shooter from Maine had brain injuries that were not what doctors usually expect to see...

    Maybe we are finding out that we know much less about brain injuries than we thought.

    The army reservist mass shooter from Maine had brain injuries that were not what doctors usually expect to see from brain injuries. Normally you would expect to see something like this if you did an autopsy on a person with brain injuries from head trauma. The doctors examining the brain of the Maine mass shooter saw a seemingly normal brain, but with frayed nerve endings from the repeated grenade blasts.

    Maybe whatever is causing Havana Syndrome is injuring the brain in a way that doesn't show up on MRIs. I think that autopsies of people with Havana Syndrome once they pass will be needed to understand what is going on unless they find out exactly what caused it.

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    So-called Havana Syndrome comes up periodically, and the best explanation I've heard so far is that this is a case of sociogenic illness.

    So-called Havana Syndrome comes up periodically, and the best explanation I've heard so far is that this is a case of sociogenic illness.

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    1. Akir
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      My bet is that it's a psychosomatic stress disorder. There is an episode of Reveal on Havana Syndrome which they constantly re-run which contains an agent's description of his experience with it....

      My bet is that it's a psychosomatic stress disorder.

      There is an episode of Reveal on Havana Syndrome which they constantly re-run which contains an agent's description of his experience with it. He talks about needing to pretend it's not happening, how he's sitting in his chair alone in his house doing his best to pretend that the excrutiating pain he is in isn't efffecting him. He says he's doing it because Cuban agents would try to do things to screw with him in hopes of exposing him. It sounds an aweful lot like what a paranoid schizophrenic would say, and that kind of thought is not healthy even if you aren't schizophrenic.

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  3. updawg
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    Reuters AP Original study

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    Original study

    Question Can a systematic evaluation using quantitative magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) metrics identify potential brain lesions in patients who have experienced anomalous health incidents (AHIs) compared with a well-matched control group?

    Findings In this exploratory study that involved brain imaging of 81 participants who experienced AHIs and 48 matched control participants, there were no significant between-group differences in MRI measures of volume, diffusion MRI–derived metrics, or functional connectivity using functional MRI after adjustments for multiple comparisons. The MRI results were highly reproducible and stable at longitudinal follow-ups. No clear relationships between imaging and clinical variables emerged.

    Meaning In this exploratory neuroimaging study, there was no significant MRI-detectable evidence of brain injury among the group of participants who experienced AHIs compared with a group of matched control participants. This finding has implications for future research efforts as well as for interventions aimed at improving clinical care for the participants who experienced AHIs.

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