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Nootropics & Student

What do you guys think about nootropics for Uni student, is it safe, efficiency and helpful especially for normal people? Did you tried any of them ? And what is your opinion?

I'm interested in mood/motivation & memory drugs.

I have done a bit reswarch over internet, but I'm not sure about what I did read.
And sorry I don't know if this post should be here or in ~envo

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  1. [2]
    vivaria
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    I'll be reading into this part a lot for my response, so my advice might not be completely on point. But, I want to first note that there's a large amount of nuance/complexity to the concerns...

    mood/motivation & memory

    I'll be reading into this part a lot for my response, so my advice might not be completely on point. But, I want to first note that there's a large amount of nuance/complexity to the concerns you've listed. These concerns could come from many different causes! Physical illness, mental illness, study habits/routines, and other parts of your life unrelated to your studies (like external stress). They could even be normal behaviors that are being perceived as abnormal for one reason or another (unrealistic performance expectations, a lack of exposure to life perspectives of others, etc.) Point being, human bodies and brains are incomprehensibly complicated!

    That being said, odds are the things you're struggling with require more than a miracle pill to address. Nootropics have felt (to me) like solutions that try to take advantage of people who are desperate for quick solutions. When, the reality of the situation is complicated, and takes years of dedicated, careful examination and introspection to address. I would be wary of approaches that ignore the nuance/complexity of your unique, individual situation.

    If I were you I would try to speak to medical professionals, both on the physical side and on the mental side. In theory, they should be able to ask the right questions which narrow down the range of causes. This will help you find an appropriate solution. However this might not always be accessible due to cost concerns and time concerns. The stress of university makes it hard to have the resources to properly address concerns. So, I would also recommend seeing if your university has resources (counseling, support groups, health services) to address the unique struggles that come with being a uni student.

    That may feel disheartening to hear. I know when I was at my lowest, the idea that I would need to put in a lot of work made me angry. I was in pain and wanted help now, and uni deadlines couldn't wait for a patient solution. But if you can do that, then you will have a much more sustainable solution. Best of luck! Odds are this will be a long journey forward and I wish you the best on it.

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    1. xxzozaxx
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      Yeah, you are right. This is a important note, thank you Actually I don't take the subject seriously. you are right as hell, I'm Med student and CS self-student, I know exactly what is the meaning...

      But, I want to first note that there's a large amount of nuance/complexity to the concerns you've listed

      Yeah, you are right. This is a important note, thank you

      If I were you I would try to speak to medical professionals.

      Actually I don't take the subject seriously.

      The stress of university makes it hard to have the resources to properly address concerns.
      the idea that I would need to put in a lot of work made me angry.

      you are right as hell, I'm Med student and CS self-student, I know exactly what is the meaning of university life stress. thankfully I don't have a part-time job.

      Thanks so much for your comment

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    ras
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    I've had much better results with simply getting more sleep, lifting heavy weights, and eating more vegetables than I ever had trying to find the perfect nootropic concoction.

    I've had much better results with simply getting more sleep, lifting heavy weights, and eating more vegetables than I ever had trying to find the perfect nootropic concoction.

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    1. Stroh
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      I agree with you. Lifting heavy and eating right works well. I tried Alpha-brain by Onnit and they touted the only double blind results. They have changed their formula many times which makes me...

      I agree with you. Lifting heavy and eating right works well.

      I tried Alpha-brain by Onnit and they touted the only double blind results. They have changed their formula many times which makes me suspect a bit that the nootropics may need to be cycled or lose their effectiveness.

      I would look into optimizing your studying process or increasing it. Get into study groups. I found that re-writing what I was learning helped but teaching other people or even imaginary people was the most helpful.

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  3. [14]
    user2
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    Ya, tildes is confusing as fuck. No one ever knows if he should post in X or Y. To your question: Nootropics is a bit of an umbrella term, which is to say that there are very safe nootropics and...

    Ya, tildes is confusing as fuck. No one ever knows if he should post in X or Y.

    To your question:

    Nootropics is a bit of an umbrella term, which is to say that there are very safe nootropics and nootropics that are potentially not as safe. I take a few but, to be very honest, I don't notice any difference when taking them.

    For memory, the best one out there is, I think, bacopa monnieri:

    But the absolute best nootropic is physical exercise, aerobic preferably.

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    1. [3]
      cfabbro
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      Really? While there is some crossover subjects in the groups here, I have never really struggled to determine which group is the most appropriate to submit something to (or move something to...

      Ya, tildes is confusing as fuck. No one ever knows if he should post in X or Y.

      Really? While there is some crossover subjects in the groups here, I have never really struggled to determine which group is the most appropriate to submit something to (or move something to either). Just read the group descriptions in the group browser or the sidebar in each group page, they make it pretty clear what goes where and why. And it's also a hell of a lot better here than on reddit, where there are often dozens of subreddits on the exact same subject, e.g. /r/marijuana, /r/trees, /r/weed, /r/dabs, etc. etc. etc.

      Not only that but this topic is definitely not appropriate for ~enviro (if that's what OP was referencing). Just read its description, "Topics related to the environment - conservation, recycling, alternate energy, etc.". Maybe it would also be appropriate in ~life too, but some crossover is inevitable and when there is something that straddles the line between several groups, just pick whichever one matches the focus you want the conversation to have. E.g. If you want a more health oriented discussion post to ~health, if life advise is what you're seeking ~life, or a more open-ended general discussion ~talk.

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      1. [2]
        xxzozaxx
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        This true, but forget about reddit it getting worse by time. I think he was joking

        And it's also a hell of a lot better here than on reddit, where there are often dozens of subreddits on the exact same subject, e.g. /r/marijuana, /r/trees, /r/weed, /r/dabs, etc. etc. etc.

        This true, but forget about reddit it getting worse by time. I think he was joking

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        1. cfabbro
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          I am absolutely terrible at detecting sarcasm, so you could be right about them joking about Tildes. :P

          I am absolutely terrible at detecting sarcasm, so you could be right about them joking about Tildes. :P

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    2. krg
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      Precisely what I was going to say. That, and good sleep. On top of that, I'd add ashwaganda extract and L-Theanine.

      But the absolute best nootropic is physical exercise, aerobic preferably.

      Precisely what I was going to say. That, and good sleep.

      On top of that, I'd add ashwaganda extract and L-Theanine.

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    3. [9]
      xxzozaxx
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      Is this sarcasm :D What did you take ?! Thanks for your adivce. I will take it seriously

      Ya, tildes is confusing as fuck. No one ever knows if he should post in X or Y.

      Is this sarcasm :D

      I take a few but, to be very honest, I don't notice any difference when taking them.

      What did you take ?!

      But the absolute best nootropic is physical exercise, aerobic preferably.

      Thanks for your adivce. I will take it seriously

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        user2
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        I take/have-taken many things, such as ashwagandha, omega-3 (dha/epa), a good multi, bacopa synapsa, melatonin, curcumin, etc.. I think the best thing you can do is: Sleep well (check out Matthew...

        I take/have-taken many things, such as ashwagandha, omega-3 (dha/epa), a good multi, bacopa synapsa, melatonin, curcumin, etc..

        I think the best thing you can do is:

        • Sleep well (check out Matthew Walker, either in book form or in podcasts, he has been invited by Joe Rogan, Rhonda Patrick, Peter Attia);
        • Exercise (check out BDNF and Irisin);
        • Diet (eat greens, check out also sulphoraphane);
        • Meditation;
        • Habit building, that is, just fucking do it and build a habit out of it;
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        1. [3]
          cfabbro
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          That's been a big one for me (20min-1hour a day, every day). I have even recently started meditating in front of a light therapy box too, and it has helped improve my mood significantly. p.s. I...

          Meditation;

          That's been a big one for me (20min-1hour a day, every day). I have even recently started meditating in front of a light therapy box too, and it has helped improve my mood significantly.

          p.s. I don't know much about nootropics, so can't speak to those, but for everything else you're giving really solid general mental/physical health advice, IMO.

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          1. [2]
            user2
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            Can you explain your light-box? What products did you buy?

            Can you explain your light-box? What products did you buy?

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            1. cfabbro
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              Sure. The mayo clinic link in my previous comment explains light therapy: And I bought a Verilux HappyLight Full-size on Amazon for $80. Those photos don't do it justice BTW... it produces...

              Sure. The mayo clinic link in my previous comment explains light therapy:

              A light therapy box mimics outdoor light. Researchers believe this type of light causes a chemical change in the brain that lifts your mood and eases other symptoms of SAD.

              Generally, the light box should:

              • Provide an exposure to 10,000 lux of light
              • Emit as little UV light as possible

              Typical recommendations include using the light box:

              • Within the first hour of waking up in the morning
              • For about 20 to 30 minutes
              • At a distance of about 16 to 24 inches (41 to 61 centimeters) from the face
              • With eyes open, but not looking directly at the light

              And I bought a Verilux HappyLight Full-size on Amazon for $80. Those photos don't do it justice BTW... it produces incredibly bright (but slightly diffused) pure white light.

              I currently have it set up at my computer desk, which is where I usually meditate when I can't do so outside (i.e. late fall, winter and early spring).

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        2. [4]
          xxzozaxx
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          I would to know more about habits, There are lot of fake self-helping books out there and I think the fake one mpre than real one. And I'm confused which one to read. Is the `power of habit' a...

          I would to know more about habits,
          There are lot of fake self-helping books out there and I think the fake one mpre than real one. And I'm confused which one to read.
          Is the `power of habit' a good start ?

          1. user2
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            The power of habit is a good one, yes. But I doubt you need a book to learn about habits.

            The power of habit is a good one, yes. But I doubt you need a book to learn about habits.

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