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Analysis of treatment with hydroxychloroquine for 368 patients in US veterans hospitals shows more deaths, no benefit

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  1. [2]
    envy
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    You would think Trump would want to take better care of his voters. His margins are razor thin as it stands.

    Patients asked about it soon after Trump started promoting its use

    About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone.

    You would think Trump would want to take better care of his voters. His margins are razor thin as it stands.

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    1. patience_limited
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      But that's how authoritarianism works - you don't ask the masses if they're willing to risk death for the cause, you just tell them to follow you to the promised golden future. The people are...

      But that's how authoritarianism works - you don't ask the masses if they're willing to risk death for the cause, you just tell them to follow you to the promised golden future. The people are disposable, interchangeable instrumentalities for victory. All you have to do is look like a leader and convince them that your plans align with their desires.

      6 votes
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    vektor
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    Possible explanation: worse cases were more desperate for the stuff. AP didn't mention them doing case-controlling.

    Possible explanation: worse cases were more desperate for the stuff. AP didn't mention them doing case-controlling.

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    1. vektor
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      Reading the abstract of the study is a bit more enlightening: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf That sounds like they adjusted for people presenting worse....

      Reading the abstract of the study is a bit more enlightening:

      https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf

      We determined the association between treatment and the primary outcomes using competing risk hazard regression adjusting for clinical characteristics via propensity scores.

      That sounds like they adjusted for people presenting worse.

      Compared to the no HC group, the risk of death from any cause was higher in the HC group but not in the HC+AZ group. The risk of ventilation was similar in the HC group and in the HC+AZ group, compared to the no HC group.

      They also report the raw rate of death in the groups, which is what AP reported. So it seems like AP's reporting isn't wrong, it's just not quite complete.

      8 votes
  3. [2]
    Deimos
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    Related news from today: Rick Bright, The former head of the U.S. Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority says he believes he was forced out of his role this week due to his...
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  4. [5]
    nothis
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    So who actually started the hydroxychloroquine hype? Before Trump, I mean?

    So who actually started the hydroxychloroquine hype? Before Trump, I mean?

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      1. psi
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        Yeah, I can’t believe reddit was actively promoting that sub. It’s rather irresponsible of the admins.

        Yeah, I can’t believe reddit was actively promoting that sub. It’s rather irresponsible of the admins.

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      2. bleem
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        One of my comments got removed as inflammatory when I asked what is happening with the migrants on the border in detention centers.

        One of my comments got removed as inflammatory when I asked what is happening with the migrants on the border in detention centers.

    2. unknown user
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      Elon Musk was another who suggested there was evidence it could work—based mostly off his treatment for malaria with it.

      Elon Musk was another who suggested there was evidence it could work—based mostly off his treatment for malaria with it.

  5. cmccabe
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    This story appears nowhere on foxnews.com. It can't possibly be true.

    This story appears nowhere on foxnews.com. It can't possibly be true.