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Gods with anuses

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    daywalker
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    Content warning: discussions of mortality, a very brief and indirect mention of fictional suicide I love anthropologist Ernest Becker's take on mortality, especially since it inspired terror...

    Content warning: discussions of mortality, a very brief and indirect mention of fictional suicide

    I love anthropologist Ernest Becker's take on mortality, especially since it inspired terror management theory, and this was an interesting read.

    A very brief outline of Becker's views.

    According to cultural anthropologist Ernest Becker, our basic human predicament is that we are “gods with anuses.” By this humorous phrase, Becker suggests that we are part material, instinctual animals, and part psychic, cultural, homo sapiens

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    To be human is to exist within nature yet to be alienated from it. Whereas other animals fret over predators, starvation or injury, humans, due to their elevated cognitive capacities, must reckon with the psychological possibility of insanity and the complete obliteration of meaning. Humans are bound to the same finite limitations as other animals yet have the mental powers to transcend the knowledge of their finitude. This predicament leads to what Becker calls “death anxiety.” We are cursed with the knowledge of our own inevitable mortality.

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    One of Ernest Becker’s central arguments is that much of human behavior is governed by an attempt to stave off our unconscious death anxiety. At one point, Becker writes, “culture is composed of the mechanisms of defense of an infant afraid of being alone in the dark.” This may be a hyperbolic statement, but it gets at something important. When we realize our existential catch-22, the fact that we are cognizant of our mortality and can do nothing to stop it, we devise all sorts of ways to evade this crushing reality.

    This alienation from nature, despite being part of it, due to a "paradox" because of awareness of death is something I often feel, and think it's one of the common human experiences. In the colorfully pessimistic yet kind of profound words of True Detective's Rustin Cohle.

    I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in human evolution. We became too self aware; nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself. We are creatures that should not exist by natural law.

    Some of the author's views resonated so much with me. Especially these parts.

    The “hole” describes how unlike other animals, humans are never fully at home in the world. Even with our elevated cognitive capacities, we can’t escape our finitude or mortality. We continue to be gods with anuses. There is no way to escape the shit. This is a crucial requirement if there is to be a common humanity.

    Far from being a reason to despair, our non-belonging /existential hole can be a way to reframe our common humanity. What we all have in common is that none of us are whole or at home in the world. We are all connected, not by a positive cooperative spirit, but through a common negative existential trauma and wound.

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    There’s a Buddhist parable where a young mother carries her dead infant as she is desperately looking for a physician to bring him back to life. She runs into the Buddha, and he offers direction. He tells her to bring back mustard seeds from a family in the village that has not experienced death. The woman goes out and is unsuccessful in finding a single family who has not been struck by bereavement. In the process, the woman realizes she is not alone in her dukkah and ultimately finds a way to let go of her deceased child. She is confronted with a profound sense of pervasive unsatisfactoriness in both her child’s death and realizing that this is the human condition.

    The efficacy in this parable, is that the absence, loss, and pervasive unsatisfactoriness is precisely what brings people together through the shared trauma of being human. Suffering and loss are not dismissed or celebrated; they are experienced and accepted as the only way to be connected to the larger human story.

    These parts remind me of another philosophically pessimist thinker, Peter Wessel Zapffe. In his essay 'The Last Messiah' he says tells this tale (told in a sexist way, but still important).

    One night in times long since vanished, man awoke and saw himself. He saw that he was naked under the cosmos, homeless in his own body. Everything opened up before his searching thoughts, wonder upon wonder, terror upon terror, all blossomed in his mind.

    Then woman awoke, too, and said that it was time to go out and kill something. And man took up his bow, fruit of the union between the soul and the hand, and went out under the stars. But when the animals came to their water-hole, where he out of habit waited for them, he no longer knew the spring of the tiger in his blood, but a great psalm to the brotherhood of suffering shared by all that lives.

    That day he came home with empty hands, and when they found him again by the rising of the new moon, he sat dead by the waterhole.

    The rest of the essay is anti-natalist, but I think this part captures a fundamental element of the existential condition of humanity: awareness of suffering and death. I feel this "great psalm to the brotherhood of suffering shared by all that lives" is maybe at the heart of... well, a lot of positive things about humanity. There is no compassion, caring, and love without recognizing the suffering of others. Awareness of death maybe makes this even more profound.

    With this being said, I don't agree with the conclusion, because I think there definitely are enemies. I don't see them as demons or essentially different beings, but there are people who want to kill me and people I -personally or impersonally- love, or at the very least subject us to so much violence that we are filled with suffering and left a shell of ourselves. I recognize that there is still a commonality in our existential condition, but it doesn't change the existential threat posed by them.

    This predicament, I think, is overlooked by the author. Even if you recognize the conditions of an extremely hostile opponent that wants to significantly hurt you, it doesn't change the fact that they want to take so many things away from you and people you love, sometimes -and increasingly- including your very existence. I don't think these categories are hard-coded and unchangeable, or require a fatal response in every context, but it's not something one can overlook. This especially becomes apparent the more threatened you are.

    Still, an interesting read, and this is just my personal take on it. I think alienation from nature (or maybe better expressed as alienation from being) as the human condition and its implications for ideology, morality, politics are very worth the effort of pondering.

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    1. first-must-burn
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      Most of this philosophy is beyond me, but it reminded me of The Space Between Worlds by Micaiah Johnson. In the book, the main character jumps between parallel universes and wrestles with the...

      Most of this philosophy is beyond me, but it reminded me of The Space Between Worlds by Micaiah Johnson. In the book, the main character jumps between parallel universes and wrestles with the nihilism of seeing the terrible possibilities all the different lives. Here is a quote:

      We are pilgrims at an end. When we leave is immaterial because we are only meant to leave.

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      davek804
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      Thanks for sharing your perspective.

      Thanks for sharing your perspective.

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    Soggy
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    It's often interesting to see the breadth of human experience. What resonates with one person passes completely by another; I never suffer from existential thoughts and I scoff at all this natural...

    It's often interesting to see the breadth of human experience. What resonates with one person passes completely by another; I never suffer from existential thoughts and I scoff at all this natural law talk. I feel "fully at home in the world."

    We might be the only animals on Earth aware of our impending demise, conceptually. I say might because there is much we do not know about cetaceans amd elephants. I don't think that necessarily removes us from the natural experience.

    I guess a lot of it feels like wallowing in despair? It's what I would expect from a clinically anxious or depressed mind, not the average human experience.

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      daywalker
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      I think you have a point, so here are some clarifications. While I value Becker's take, I think he was definitely overreaching. I read the Denial of Death, and in it he presents death anxiety as...

      I think you have a point, so here are some clarifications.

      • While I value Becker's take, I think he was definitely overreaching. I read the Denial of Death, and in it he presents death anxiety as the drive behind every human behavior. However, I see merit in his ideas. This is reflected on the terror management theory (in psychology) I mentioned in my previous comment, which I think is a much reasonable approach to anxiety. It posits that death anxiety is not the sole drive behind everything, but that it subconsciously affects a lot of human behaviors. There's an unignorable amount of studies in support of the theory.

      • I think generally "universal human experince" narratives are very sus, and one should approach with caution. This is especially true for more abstracted and complex narratives. However, caution doesn't mean it's automatically false.

      With that being said, the terror management theory is a thing, and I do think death anxiety is worth considering as an imporant part of human experience. Its effect, I think, starts to become more conscious the more you struggle with death or health problems.

      I guess a lot of it feels like wallowing in despair? It's what I would expect from a clinically anxious or depressed mind, not the average human experience.

      Talking about heavy topics is not wallowing in despair. The essay, and my interpretion of it, are actually life-affirming.

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        Soggy
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        • it subconsciously affects a lot of human behaviors. Agreed. The pervasiveness of religion is perhaps the most obvious sign of this fear/uncertainty. • I think generally "universal human...

        • it subconsciously affects a lot of human behaviors.

        Agreed. The pervasiveness of religion is perhaps the most obvious sign of this fear/uncertainty.

        • I think generally "universal human experince" narratives are very sus

        Double agreed. Your takes are reasonable, even if I have a much lower opinion if Becker's ideas.

        • Talking about heavy topics is not wallowing in despair.

        It's not just talking about them, its the supposition that this death anxiety is a ubiquitous driving force and the idea that we are homeless in the natural world and the inevitability of it all.

        I think about death in a personal sense. I am not ignorant of mortality, mine or otherwise. I've lost friends and family to suicide, to cancer, to heart failure, to age. I remember their lives, their impact, and mourn the future without them. But death brings me only a sense of loss, there is no calling void there nor a hope for a beyond. Thus very little reason to contemplate death (as a concept) beyond the practical.

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        1. daywalker
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          I find your takes -and criticisms- very reasonable, too. I admit I have a negative bias, as I'm coming from the position of philosophical pessimism. Life-affirming philosophical pessimism (e.g....

          I find your takes -and criticisms- very reasonable, too. I admit I have a negative bias, as I'm coming from the position of philosophical pessimism. Life-affirming philosophical pessimism (e.g. Nietzsche, Camus), but still philosophical pessimism.

          I think, if I wanted to describe it in less colorful and a more generalizable language, I'd say no matter the political structure and material conditions, we can't transform human society to one that transcends profound suffering and death. Yes, I think much of what we experience currently can be changed with time. We can definitely remove a lot of suffering. There is nothing "natural" or inevitable about the social structures we have. But ultimately, we won't be able to eradicate all suffering, loss, death. And even if we were to overcome ageing in a distant future, this would create other existential problems (e.g. struggle for meaning in an "eternal" life, or maybe making any loss even more painful); it also wouldn't mean we would overcome death, as accidents, etc. could still happen.

          My point is, while I think struggle for a better humanity is very worth the effort, there is no utopia waiting for us in the future where we could completely overcome these things. Life, at some level, is going to entail profound hardships.

          I think, at some level, accepting this is freeing. Yeah, life is not just, but -to some extent- this is also true for everyone. We all share this bond that can be created through our shared fate. I think, for many people, seeing or thinking about death or profound suffering evokes a very strong feeling of compassion and commonality. I'd even say it's true for most people, unless there are ideological reasons involved that condition one to dehumanize the other person.

          However, I would be amiss (and I think I was in my earlier comments), if I were to attribute feelings of compassion and commonality entirely to this death anxiety. Human flourishing is also very important, because it's not enough to just stay alive and safe, but to also flourish in life. Seeing people chase and accomplish their dreams, or seeing them be themselves in a social environment, or sometimes just seeing them have fun, are very fulfilling, too.

          3 votes
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    DefinitelyNotAFae
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    Yeah I find that dehumanization is absolutely the way we, as humans make ourselves out to be better than "them." And almost always leads to us doing or allowing others to do horrifying things to...

    I do not believe that I am exempt from the anxiety and fear that fuels the atrocious positions of my political opponents.

    Yeah I find that dehumanization is absolutely the way we, as humans make ourselves out to be better than "them." And almost always leads to us doing or allowing others to do horrifying things to those non-people.

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      daywalker
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      I think dehumanization is often moralized without considering its function. Dehumanization, I think, functions to make it easier to fight an enemy. There comes a point where you realize the...

      I think dehumanization is often moralized without considering its function. Dehumanization, I think, functions to make it easier to fight an enemy. There comes a point where you realize the "opponent" has much ill-intent, and you can't simply debate or vote it away. So you take up a harder conflict, and in this conflict, dehumanization functions to mobilize the in-group against the out-group. This can happen in various degrees, from propaganda campaigns to antifa struggles, and in most extreme forms, fatal battles.

      A lot of soldiers, including people who fought against Nazis in WW2, dehumanized their enemies in order to survive or win. I remember reading a quote from a WW2 soldier when asked "How many people did you kill?", they answered "I did not kill any people. I killed Nazis." There are many similar stories.

      If you're constantly considering the humanity and feelings of the enemy, this makes it harder to kill them. This makes it more likely that you'll be the one that gets killed. So a lot of soldiers, guerillas, etc. understandably dehumanize the enemy. This can function to liberate people, however, it's exceedingly obvious that it also results in extremely bad acts. However, I don't think, by itself, it's a villainous thing. Sure, from a purely epistemic point of view, it leads to wrong beliefs. But the function of those beliefs can make or break the power struggle against dangerous foes, opponents, enemies, whatever you call them. For example, dehumanization helped defeat Nazis and fascists. Conflict doesn't happen in a vacuum, after all. And purely epistemic or humanist views of dehumanization that refuse it absolutely under any condition don't recognize its value.

      With that being said, this shouldn't be read as an unconditional affirmation of dehumanization. I'm just trying to illustrate its function and value in conflict, and an absolute refusal of it without considering the wider context of conflict (only focusing on its negative outcomes) unnecessarily demonizes it.

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        DefinitelyNotAFae
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        I mean yeah it's a tool that makes it easier for our people to kill their people, while their people are also using it to kill our people (and other people in that case.) But it's also allowing us...

        I mean yeah it's a tool that makes it easier for our people to kill their people, while their people are also using it to kill our people (and other people in that case.) But it's also allowing us to harass legal immigrants, put people in cells, deride the poor and homeless, allow civil rights to be attacked and taken away, etc.

        In every case it makes it easier to do horrible things to those former people. It'd be great if we were as a species incapable of it, IMO. But sure, as long as "they" do it, "we'll" do it, or "we" couldn't fight "them." Who those pronouns stand for may make that a good thing or bad thing to the person reading it.

        I'm gonna continue to moralize it though. If we could stop as a species we could probably not need to go to war against people who dehumanize a different them entirely. So I'm doing it not just while considering its function but because of its function.

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          daywalker
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          As I said, I already recognize its use by forces of oppression, and I do recognize any dehumanization should be approached with a big grain of salt. But I'm saying it can also be used, and has...

          As I said, I already recognize its use by forces of oppression, and I do recognize any dehumanization should be approached with a big grain of salt. But I'm saying it can also be used, and has been used, for liberation. People who destroyed fascist regimes by killing fascists did not generally do it so by having deep concerns for the fascists. Mussolini wasn't hung upside down because people saw the "human" in him.

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          1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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            Sure, dehumanization got us into that mess in the first place. Mutually Assured Dehumanization is all well and good but not a goal in my opinion. I acknowledged it was a tool for us to use against...

            Sure, dehumanization got us into that mess in the first place. Mutually Assured Dehumanization is all well and good but not a goal in my opinion.

            I acknowledged it was a tool for us to use against them. And as long as it's the USA against Mussolini it sounds like we're in favor of it. If it's the Nazis using it against the Jews, Gays, Roma, Disabled, etc.. I suspect we all agree it's bad.

            But then, Hitler and his ilk were using it as a tool intentionally as well.

            Personally I believe should see the humanity in Mussolini and Hitler because they were humans who did monstrous things, not inhuman monsters who did things only they were capable of. Which goes back to the quote I posted. And if we're going to execute people it should be in full knowledge of who they are as people, good and bad alike and how they were failed by the people around them as much as they failed us. If we cannot bring ourselves to kill them in that wholeness, then we probably shouldn't.

            So yeah, it's a tool, but not a necessary one on the scale of our species, if we wanted to choose to lay it down, no more than nukes.

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