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New Zealand now has the gayest Parliament in the world

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  1. [7]
    MonkeyPants
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    America is currently at 0.17 percent

    In the UK there are currently 45 openly gay members in the 650-member House of Commons, or 7 percent. New Zealand is now at 9.16 percent.

    America is currently at 0.17 percent

    7 votes
    1. [6]
      grungegun
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      That seems higher than the percentage of the population.. Are LGBT more politically active on average? Or are there other factors involved?

      That seems higher than the percentage of the population.. Are LGBT more politically active on average? Or are there other factors involved?

      5 votes
      1. [3]
        Gaywallet
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        I'm not sure I would trust those numbers, they seem incredibly low compared to most formal studies I've seen - I suspect a sampling bias or a cultural norms issue and how the questions were...

        I'm not sure I would trust those numbers, they seem incredibly low compared to most formal studies I've seen - I suspect a sampling bias or a cultural norms issue and how the questions were worded. Estimating LGBT population can be particularly problematic and newer methodologies as well as slowly growing acceptance are showing incidence rates increasing pretty rapidly.

        I went searching for a paper on cultural norms and found the following which shows New Zealand in the bottom left quadrant - indicating that there is high social acceptance and not all that many people 'living in the closet' so I'm not entirely sure everything that's going on here, but it should be noted that the stats provided (96.5% heterosexual) are collected by the government, and I know I'm not particularly comfortable with the idea of the government knowing my sexual identity even in a progressive place like California and not being closeted in the least.

        5 votes
        1. [2]
          CALICO
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          Here's where I realize I've never read a formal study on the prevalence of queer folk among the general population, and have just been carrying a mental note of "3–5%-ish" around without much...

          Here's where I realize I've never read a formal study on the prevalence of queer folk among the general population, and have just been carrying a mental note of "3–5%-ish" around without much question.
          Got one in particular?

          2 votes
          1. Gaywallet
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            So I edited in a link above which has some contextual information, but if you want some numbers from large surveys, gallup is a good source for this. However, there are problems with surveys and...

            So I edited in a link above which has some contextual information, but if you want some numbers from large surveys, gallup is a good source for this.

            However, there are problems with surveys and self-identification, especially when it can get tied back to the individual or that there is at least the idea that it could. There's also problems with older generations not identifying in the same way that younger generations do - what they are comfortable with admitting is slightly bisexual behavior or gender non-conforming behavior is different than what a gen z person might say.

            It's really hard to get hard numbers. Examples of softer numbers where prior behavior is studied, exist. In particular, this is problematic for transgender individuals, and this meta study goes into some of the issues. The PRIDE study based out of Stanford is a really good example of how directly involving LGBT+ individuals in the study design can help to elucidate more accurate figures. One study in particular from the PRIDE study group was published just a few months back and talks about customizing word usage in a survey can increase quality of collected data and provide more accurate numbers.

            With regards to an actual number, I guess some of that depends on what you consider queer. In this meta-study its noted that 9 million Americans self identify as 'something other than heterosexual', but yet another 10 million who do identify as heterosexual report sexual behavior with the same sex and a quarter of Americans reporting some level of same-sex attraction.

            Frankly I don't know that it's possible to ever really get a real number, as there will always be people who will write off their own urges and desires or have so few of them for it to not feel like an important part of their identity. But slowly shifting sentiment among younger generations (check slides 8 and 9) and issues with polling makes me believe the true number is at the very least much higher than the self-identified numbers when asked on very formalized and tone-deaf surveys.

            2 votes
      2. MonkeyPants
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        Incoming Parliament set to be our most inclusive, with increase in women, people of colour and LGBTQ+ members Election turnout was 82.5% Chloe Swarbrick credited her win to the largest number of...

        Incoming Parliament set to be our most inclusive, with increase in women, people of colour and LGBTQ+ members

        Labour had really tried in their list rankings to bring in people from diverse backgrounds, Greaves said β€œAnd I think that really fits in with the kaupapa of the party,” she said.

        Election turnout was 82.5%

        Chloe Swarbrick credited her win to the largest number of young voters the greens have ever seen (can't find link)

        3 votes
      3. CALICO
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        There's surely studies regarding this, but here's my gut-feeling conjecture: People who know what oppression* feels like, are more likely to be active sociopolitically, compared to people who do...

        There's surely studies regarding this, but here's my gut-feeling conjecture:

        People who know what oppression* feels like, are more likely to be active sociopolitically, compared to people who do not.
        *sexual, racial, economic, etc.

        2 votes
  2. mxuribe
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    I almost reflexively want to contribute to that nation's economy! Any population that clearly mandates such inclusion, sounds pretty cool to me; kudos to the Kiwis!!

    I almost reflexively want to contribute to that nation's economy! Any population that clearly mandates such inclusion, sounds pretty cool to me; kudos to the Kiwis!!

    3 votes