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The success of Iceland's 'four-day week' trial has been greatly overstated

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    vord
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    Even if the trial itself is bunk, the resounding support of its (possibly wrong) results speaks volumes on its own. Hell, let's get radical and redefine full-time work at 24 hours a week. Really...
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    Even if the trial itself is bunk, the resounding support of its (possibly wrong) results speaks volumes on its own.

    Hell, let's get radical and redefine full-time work at 24 hours a week. Really put the pinch on companies that currently don't hire fulltime workers to avoid paying benefits. Force companies to choose between paying better wages or being understaffed.

    Part of the reason companies can treat people so poorly is the large pool of desparate unemployed workers at-hand to take any job at any wage.

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    1. MimicSquid
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      Something that I appreciate California has done is starting to move benefits towards be applicable upon working a certain number of hours total, as opposed to a certain number per week: In...

      Something that I appreciate California has done is starting to move benefits towards be applicable upon working a certain number of hours total, as opposed to a certain number per week: In California, the absolute minimum sick time any employee can be given is 1 hour for every 30 worked in a calendar year. It doesn't matter if it's in one week or three, if they work it they get it. Of course, this is still lower than most of the developed world, total to less than 70 hours of sick time in a year for a 40 hour a week employee, but because there's no cutoff at 29 hours a week, employers are less motivated to play fast and loose with cutting hours just a little bit.

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    FishFingus
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    Interesting article. At times, quite depressing. I felt my stomach sink about halfway through, but there was a nice mood uptick at the end where it finished on a more positive note. I hope a...

    Interesting article. At times, quite depressing. I felt my stomach sink about halfway through, but there was a nice mood uptick at the end where it finished on a more positive note. I hope a global trend starts toward shorter hours, better pay, and the elimination of unnecessary commutes with work-from-home practices.

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      ColorUserPro
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      Major global crises often act as a catalyst for mass social change, since everyone comes to the same reckonings and typically form a stronger collective identity. I personally am quite optimistic...

      Major global crises often act as a catalyst for mass social change, since everyone comes to the same reckonings and typically form a stronger collective identity. I personally am quite optimistic that with the past year, people have become and will continue to become aware of the value of automated menial labor, remote work, the value of life outside of their job, and the strength of numbers when workers want to enact change.

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        FishFingus
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        I hope so. I haven't spent many years employed - I'll soon be at the mark where I'll have spent more years out of a job than in one - and I can't stand all the BS around it. The irritating...

        I hope so. I haven't spent many years employed - I'll soon be at the mark where I'll have spent more years out of a job than in one - and I can't stand all the BS around it. The irritating commute, the dismal and vague listings of 'competitive' pay, having to constantly pretend that I'm passionate about work when it's inherently unenjoyable and that's why it's called work, being expected to act like a 'team player' for minimum wage isntead of the increasingly bitter and cynical bastard that I am...I need this to change, because I actually dread finding another job some days.

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          ColorUserPro
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          If you can find a group of people around you who share that same opinion, and you can convince them to do something about it with you, you can completely change the working environment, as long as...

          If you can find a group of people around you who share that same opinion, and you can convince them to do something about it with you, you can completely change the working environment, as long as you all stick to your guns. It's the reason the U.S. is so openly hostile against unionization that entire store workforces are liquidated overnight. All it takes is a shift's worth of people to control the schedule.

          *You could, and potentially will, be fired and have a black mark on your work experience with that employer if you do this. But that's part of it. Tradesmen will be the most forgiving of action like this, as they're all people who break their backs in true labor and understand the value of workers and their concerns.

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          1. vord
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            Probably yes. It's illegal, but hard to prove, especially in an at-will employment state. Repeal both at-will and right-to-work. Both are shameless anti-union, anti-worker laws.

            You could, and potentially will, be fired

            Probably yes. It's illegal, but hard to prove, especially in an at-will employment state.

            Repeal both at-will and right-to-work. Both are shameless anti-union, anti-worker laws.

            7 votes