Conspiracy theories used to be fun to read about. I remember reading about JFK, Roswell, MK Ultra and others when I was younger. Now conspiracy theories are essentially just a mask for right wing...
Conspiracy theories used to be fun to read about. I remember reading about JFK, Roswell, MK Ultra and others when I was younger. Now conspiracy theories are essentially just a mask for right wing freak shows to redirect everything bad in the world towards liberals and socialism.
I don't think they ever were. About 20 years ago when I was visiting chat rooms on the Internet, I stumbled upon some cryptic message that led me onto a deep search about illuminati. I got loads...
I don't think they ever were. About 20 years ago when I was visiting chat rooms on the Internet, I stumbled upon some cryptic message that led me onto a deep search about illuminati. I got loads of information and printed it out to put in a binder. It had it all, the illuminati, the mark of the beast, shadow government and other conspiracies you would still see today.
I fell deeply into the illuminati hole. I bothered friends about it all day spreading all the stuff that gets shared under the umbrella of illuminati. "There'sa shadow government, the intellectuals want to control your thinking, they control the money, they want to get rid of money, they try to control your mind..."
I had to distance myself forcefully one day because I realised it wasn't healthy and that I have gone too far.
Only the distance made me realise over time what it all was about. It's all antisemitic "follow the money" stuff, and conspiracies you see today all go by the same receipt down to the exact details. Almost nothing haschanged. Even branding "woke" peope as evil stayed the same, "intellectuals" just isn't as fashionable anymore since Hitler used it for the same reasons.
For someone that has fell into the hole, it's mind boggling that there's been movies about illuminati and you see it in TV for some stupid shows. It's basically just spreading the "jews control the world" message that has been shared for hundreds of years.
Man, I felt so clever and as the only one that saw the truth. I didn't realise it was antisemitic at the time I was into it, and the realisation years later made me feel so stupid.
No, conspiracies were never fun, and you shouldn't say they were. The big conspiracy theories that get spread over decades and maybe centuries all share the same evil goal, to rally people against an invisible enemy that they claim has all the power and controls the world from the shadows.
So much evil has and will be justified because of the big conspiracy that just changes some words and the face a bit but always stays the same.
Edit: Yes, there's some real conspiracies that usually get found out because of a whistleblower, but it doesn't mean that the harmful big conspiracy lie wasn't always there. You just didn't see it because it was spread in fringe forums rather than the open by politicians and TV stations as we see now.
Conspiracy theories seem to be as old as time. However, before the internet, it was not as common for people to become radicalized. The rabbit hole may have always existed, but the entrances where...
Conspiracy theories seem to be as old as time. However, before the internet, it was not as common for people to become radicalized. The rabbit hole may have always existed, but the entrances where not as numerous or as easy to find.
It was nice when the archetypical conspiracy theorist was a UFO tracker in an RV in the woods, and not my Porsche-driving boss shitposting from his summer home.
It was nice when the archetypical conspiracy theorist was a UFO tracker in an RV in the woods, and not my Porsche-driving boss shitposting from his summer home.
I think now conspiracy theories have more direct reach making easier to see their true face. Previously people only knew about a conspiracy theory second or third hand. At that point they had been...
I think now conspiracy theories have more direct reach making easier to see their true face. Previously people only knew about a conspiracy theory second or third hand. At that point they had been filtered down into the fun harmless theories we remember.
Yup. Sometimes, just sometimes, its an actual conspiracy. Usually if the CIA is involved. It would not surprise me in the slightest if the JFK assassination was caused by the CIA (or other...
Yup. Sometimes, just sometimes, its an actual conspiracy. Usually if the CIA is involved.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if the JFK assassination was caused by the CIA (or other three-letter) grooming domestic terrorists. We've seen enough evidence they do this today.
In my (and your defense) I don't really see a significant difference. Grooming and funding terrorist networks live on the same morally reprehensible behavoir teir.
In my (and your defense) I don't really see a significant difference. Grooming and funding terrorist networks live on the same morally reprehensible behavoir teir.
Here's a recent one. They link to one prior from 2016. DHS admits to manufacturing terrorists for Trump. Operation Northwoods, a planned false-flag operation to justify war with Cuba, which JFK...
Operation Northwoods, a planned false-flag operation to justify war with Cuba, which JFK didn't sign off on.
This is a deep, deep rabbithole, only uncovered by trustworthy investigative journalism and unredacted declassified documents....of which there are very few since WWII.
All articles are about wrongfully framing someone as a terrorist that wasn't, without presenting significant proof btw. How is that evidence for your wild claim from above that they're grooming...
All articles are about wrongfully framing someone as a terrorist that wasn't, without presenting significant proof btw. How is that evidence for your wild claim from above that they're grooming domestic terrorists?
Why do you spread unfounded conspiracy theories here and are lying about proof?
See, I class 'actively courting someone into ISIS,' to the point of buying them plane tickets, as grooming a terrorist, not just framing them. Going to prison for terrorism is not likely to return...
See, I class 'actively courting someone into ISIS,' to the point of buying them plane tickets, as grooming a terrorist, not just framing them. Going to prison for terrorism is not likely to return you to society as a healthy well-adjusted member.
The three-letters have a sordid enough history, and we barely know a fraction of their involvement in the first 20 years of their existence, let alone the latest 60. They certainly worked hard enough to make the paranoid rants of a 80's/90's schizophrenic a reality. We learned that much from Snowden. They're massively powerful organizations with unlimited budgets, little oversight, and a nasty habit of performing coups and trading drugs.
If they're willing to plan false flag ops (we know they do) to instigate wars, there's no depth to their moral void. It means 9/11 consipiracies are not fully off the table until there is a lot more declassified information. My personal theory says the three-letters pieced together it was probably going to happen, and presented the president the choice to stop it, and this time with Bush/Cheney had a sympathetic ear to distract from the illegitimacy of his presidency (and to kick up the war machine that had been kinda cooling off since the Gulf War).
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots However, I'd say the reason behind these actions aren't sinister conspiratorial ones, but petty bureaucratic ones. If...
However, I'd say the reason behind these actions aren't sinister conspiratorial ones, but petty bureaucratic ones. If you don't show results, your funding gets pulled, so if actual results are hard to get and inconsistent it's easy to slide into effectively manufacturing them instead.
Unless I am mistaken I feel like it was still considered conspiracy by most 25 years ago when I was reading about it online. The program was confirmed in the 70's or whatever, but the details were...
Unless I am mistaken I feel like it was still considered conspiracy by most 25 years ago when I was reading about it online. The program was confirmed in the 70's or whatever, but the details were only brought to light later on were they not?
If it was a conspiracy theory that was proven true, that makes it very different from your typical paranoid conspiracy fare. The fact this happens a lot should be concerning. "The moon landing was...
If it was a conspiracy theory that was proven true, that makes it very different from your typical paranoid conspiracy fare.
The fact this happens a lot should be concerning.
"The moon landing was faked" is easily disproven nonsense.
"The CIA/FBI quitely encouraged Lee Harvey Oswald to kill JFK" is honestly not that far out from the kind of stuff they've been caught doing. Their bad behavior makes people trust them less, and when clear evidence surfaced that information was hid from the Warren Commission... it makes it harder to think they were fully in the clear.
Conspiracy theories are only fun if you're not subjected to them. You're enjoying laughing at the weird things people say, but you have to understand that they actually believe these things. My...
Conspiracy theories are only fun if you're not subjected to them. You're enjoying laughing at the weird things people say, but you have to understand that they actually believe these things.
My dad was a hardcore conspiracy theorist my whole life. I grew up watching Alex Jones and his ilk. Fortunately I never sunk into it too deeply but it never stopped for my dad. What started as faked moon landings ended with flat earth. His grasp of reality only got weaker over time as he started thinking everything was fake.
So you may enjoy having a laugh at the crazies, but they are living awful lives of fear and anger. If you want to enjoy conspiracy theories without harm then stick with fiction. I'm particularly fond of the theory that shows how Jar Jar Binks is the true dark lord.
Whenever there is a discussion about conspiracies, people always tends to think about memesque or very internet based conspiracies, like the one from @sota4077's comment or vxx's one which tends...
Whenever there is a discussion about conspiracies, people always tends to think about memesque or very internet based conspiracies, like the one from @sota4077's comment or vxx's one which tends to feel right-leaning.
But there is a lot of conspiring to find in politics or places where status or money is important. Even further the justification of political moves that must have public support tends to use the same dialectic tools as conspiracies.
There is also an appeal of the conspiracy, when you feel constantly put down for having illegitimate demands in the eyes of the governing your resentment tends to take form of conspiracies against you.
The "follow the money" is effective because it touch upon a real affect that we can find some realness to it in the world. Its way easier to talk about than sociology, but there is a kind of resonance with it.
All of this to say, there is a lot of real conspiracy ongoing, but its way harder to define their limits, their actors, and even if their actors have a real agency in them. And I can find an ultimate conspiracy where every self proclaimed legitimate agents tends to talk about the stupider one to evade the real ones 👀
I think it's an interesting article that gives an insight on the logic of conspiracies and how everything that doesn't fit the narrative can get painted as a conspiracy itself to disregard reality...
I think it's an interesting article that gives an insight on the logic of conspiracies and how everything that doesn't fit the narrative can get painted as a conspiracy itself to disregard reality and push people further into a reality where science and research doesn't exist.
I'm resisting the urge to make a "yo dawg" meme about this. Jokes aside, this is becoming a "turtles all the way down" situation. How long until this article, about the circularity of the...
I'm resisting the urge to make a "yo dawg" meme about this.
Jokes aside, this is becoming a "turtles all the way down" situation. How long until this article, about the circularity of the conspiracy theory research, is tagged as part of a conspiracy theory?
Conspiracy theories used to be fun to read about. I remember reading about JFK, Roswell, MK Ultra and others when I was younger. Now conspiracy theories are essentially just a mask for right wing freak shows to redirect everything bad in the world towards liberals and socialism.
I don't think they ever were. About 20 years ago when I was visiting chat rooms on the Internet, I stumbled upon some cryptic message that led me onto a deep search about illuminati. I got loads of information and printed it out to put in a binder. It had it all, the illuminati, the mark of the beast, shadow government and other conspiracies you would still see today.
I fell deeply into the illuminati hole. I bothered friends about it all day spreading all the stuff that gets shared under the umbrella of illuminati. "There'sa shadow government, the intellectuals want to control your thinking, they control the money, they want to get rid of money, they try to control your mind..."
I had to distance myself forcefully one day because I realised it wasn't healthy and that I have gone too far.
Only the distance made me realise over time what it all was about. It's all antisemitic "follow the money" stuff, and conspiracies you see today all go by the same receipt down to the exact details. Almost nothing haschanged. Even branding "woke" peope as evil stayed the same, "intellectuals" just isn't as fashionable anymore since Hitler used it for the same reasons.
For someone that has fell into the hole, it's mind boggling that there's been movies about illuminati and you see it in TV for some stupid shows. It's basically just spreading the "jews control the world" message that has been shared for hundreds of years.
Man, I felt so clever and as the only one that saw the truth. I didn't realise it was antisemitic at the time I was into it, and the realisation years later made me feel so stupid.
No, conspiracies were never fun, and you shouldn't say they were. The big conspiracy theories that get spread over decades and maybe centuries all share the same evil goal, to rally people against an invisible enemy that they claim has all the power and controls the world from the shadows.
So much evil has and will be justified because of the big conspiracy that just changes some words and the face a bit but always stays the same.
Edit: Yes, there's some real conspiracies that usually get found out because of a whistleblower, but it doesn't mean that the harmful big conspiracy lie wasn't always there. You just didn't see it because it was spread in fringe forums rather than the open by politicians and TV stations as we see now.
Conspiracy theories seem to be as old as time. However, before the internet, it was not as common for people to become radicalized. The rabbit hole may have always existed, but the entrances where not as numerous or as easy to find.
It was nice when the archetypical conspiracy theorist was a UFO tracker in an RV in the woods, and not my Porsche-driving boss shitposting from his summer home.
I think now conspiracy theories have more direct reach making easier to see their true face. Previously people only knew about a conspiracy theory second or third hand. At that point they had been filtered down into the fun harmless theories we remember.
MKUltra is not a conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra
Yup. Sometimes, just sometimes, its an actual conspiracy. Usually if the CIA is involved.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if the JFK assassination was caused by the CIA (or other three-letter) grooming domestic terrorists. We've seen enough evidence they do this today.
Can you show me some of that evidence?
I don't see any evidence for the CIA and other 3 letter agencies grooming domestic terrorists.
In my (and your defense) I don't really see a significant difference. Grooming and funding terrorist networks live on the same morally reprehensible behavoir teir.
Here's a recent one. They link to one prior from 2016.
DHS admits to manufacturing terrorists for Trump.
Operation Northwoods, a planned false-flag operation to justify war with Cuba, which JFK didn't sign off on.
This is a deep, deep rabbithole, only uncovered by trustworthy investigative journalism and unredacted declassified documents....of which there are very few since WWII.
All articles are about wrongfully framing someone as a terrorist that wasn't, without presenting significant proof btw. How is that evidence for your wild claim from above that they're grooming domestic terrorists?
Why do you spread unfounded conspiracy theories here and are lying about proof?
See, I class 'actively courting someone into ISIS,' to the point of buying them plane tickets, as grooming a terrorist, not just framing them. Going to prison for terrorism is not likely to return you to society as a healthy well-adjusted member.
The three-letters have a sordid enough history, and we barely know a fraction of their involvement in the first 20 years of their existence, let alone the latest 60. They certainly worked hard enough to make the paranoid rants of a 80's/90's schizophrenic a reality. We learned that much from Snowden. They're massively powerful organizations with unlimited budgets, little oversight, and a nasty habit of performing coups and trading drugs.
If they're willing to plan false flag ops (we know they do) to instigate wars, there's no depth to their moral void. It means 9/11 consipiracies are not fully off the table until there is a lot more declassified information. My personal theory says the three-letters pieced together it was probably going to happen, and presented the president the choice to stop it, and this time with Bush/Cheney had a sympathetic ear to distract from the illegitimacy of his presidency (and to kick up the war machine that had been kinda cooling off since the Gulf War).
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots
However, I'd say the reason behind these actions aren't sinister conspiratorial ones, but petty bureaucratic ones. If you don't show results, your funding gets pulled, so if actual results are hard to get and inconsistent it's easy to slide into effectively manufacturing them instead.
Unless I am mistaken I feel like it was still considered conspiracy by most 25 years ago when I was reading about it online. The program was confirmed in the 70's or whatever, but the details were only brought to light later on were they not?
If it was a conspiracy theory that was proven true, that makes it very different from your typical paranoid conspiracy fare.
The fact this happens a lot should be concerning.
"The moon landing was faked" is easily disproven nonsense.
"The CIA/FBI quitely encouraged Lee Harvey Oswald to kill JFK" is honestly not that far out from the kind of stuff they've been caught doing. Their bad behavior makes people trust them less, and when clear evidence surfaced that information was hid from the Warren Commission... it makes it harder to think they were fully in the clear.
Conspiracy theory turned conspiracy fact.
Conspiracy theories are only fun if you're not subjected to them. You're enjoying laughing at the weird things people say, but you have to understand that they actually believe these things.
My dad was a hardcore conspiracy theorist my whole life. I grew up watching Alex Jones and his ilk. Fortunately I never sunk into it too deeply but it never stopped for my dad. What started as faked moon landings ended with flat earth. His grasp of reality only got weaker over time as he started thinking everything was fake.
So you may enjoy having a laugh at the crazies, but they are living awful lives of fear and anger. If you want to enjoy conspiracy theories without harm then stick with fiction. I'm particularly fond of the theory that shows how Jar Jar Binks is the true dark lord.
Whenever there is a discussion about conspiracies, people always tends to think about memesque or very internet based conspiracies, like the one from @sota4077's comment or vxx's one which tends to feel right-leaning.
But there is a lot of conspiring to find in politics or places where status or money is important. Even further the justification of political moves that must have public support tends to use the same dialectic tools as conspiracies.
There is also an appeal of the conspiracy, when you feel constantly put down for having illegitimate demands in the eyes of the governing your resentment tends to take form of conspiracies against you.
The "follow the money" is effective because it touch upon a real affect that we can find some realness to it in the world. Its way easier to talk about than sociology, but there is a kind of resonance with it.
All of this to say, there is a lot of real conspiracy ongoing, but its way harder to define their limits, their actors, and even if their actors have a real agency in them. And I can find an ultimate conspiracy where every self proclaimed legitimate agents tends to talk about the stupider one to evade the real ones 👀
I think it's an interesting article that gives an insight on the logic of conspiracies and how everything that doesn't fit the narrative can get painted as a conspiracy itself to disregard reality and push people further into a reality where science and research doesn't exist.
I'm resisting the urge to make a "yo dawg" meme about this.
Jokes aside, this is becoming a "turtles all the way down" situation. How long until this article, about the circularity of the conspiracy theory research, is tagged as part of a conspiracy theory?
My money is on "milliseconds".
You're in on it too, aren't you?