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Trumpist US policy document Project 2025 cowritten by anti social security economist Stephen Moore

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  1. [10]
    updawg
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    Well this would be a shock to the people who claim to support Trump because their social security payments are too low...if anything could actually change their minds.

    Well this would be a shock to the people who claim to support Trump because their social security payments are too low...if anything could actually change their minds.

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    1. [9]
      boxer_dogs_dance
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      Democrats in 2016 really missed an opportunity for hard hitting attack ads because of the Pied Piper strategy. However, he's not a blank slate aside from racism, sexism and xenophobia anymore (for...

      Democrats in 2016 really missed an opportunity for hard hitting attack ads because of the Pied Piper strategy. However, he's not a blank slate aside from racism, sexism and xenophobia anymore (for people not from the north east or not paying attention at the time) and the people riding his coattails are being open about at least some of their intentions.

      In short, I agree and think this should be publicized. You don't have to convince the cultists, just peel enough support from the margins

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          MrFahrenheit
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          Except a lot of people buy this myth that things are more efficient when they're privatized. When Moore says he wants to replace Social Security with private accounts, this is exactly what he's...

          Except a lot of people buy this myth that things are more efficient when they're privatized. When Moore says he wants to replace Social Security with private accounts, this is exactly what he's proposing. People don't believe he's advocating just cutting social security - they believe it's going to be replaced with a better system.

          In reality what he wants is for all that social security money to leave government coffers and find its way into the hands of professional money managers, who'd take a cut of those trillions of dollars. It's a thinly veiled upwards wealth transfer.

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          1. boxer_dogs_dance
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            Part of the problem is that they are not talking about replacing government apples with privatized apples. They want to take a social insurance program and replace it with an investment...

            Part of the problem is that they are not talking about replacing government apples with privatized apples. They want to take a social insurance program and replace it with an investment opportunity. Many many people don't and won't make smart choices with regard to long term investment and risk. The people you are talking about want the system to leave the less prudent and the unlucky who face bad market timing with nothing for retirement. What we have learned about human behavior and decision making over the last 40 years and the insights of Behavioral Economics are not allowed for in this proposal which relies on a best of all possible worlds interpretation of Efficient Markets Theory

            If they think they can substitute better privatized fully funded universal pension plans for social security, I would be doubtful but could possibly be convinced.

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          vord
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          Project 2025 is what I point to when some conservative lies to me about there being a large moderate conservative base.

          Project 2025 is what I point to when some conservative lies to me about there being a large moderate conservative base.

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          1. [5]
            public
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            How public-facing are Project 2025 talking points? Is it used to rally the base or is it a wish list for leadership? There is a large base of moderate conservatives. They’re called centrist Democrats.
            1. How public-facing are Project 2025 talking points? Is it used to rally the base or is it a wish list for leadership?
            2. There is a large base of moderate conservatives. They’re called centrist Democrats.
            4 votes
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              updawg
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              They've published their 900+ page document, so they're pretty public.

              They've published their 900+ page document, so they're pretty public.

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              1. vord
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                And at the end of the day, its irrelevant. If they vote Republican, they support that document, whether they read it or not. Ignorance is not an excuse when the party's stance is purging the...

                And at the end of the day, its irrelevant.

                If they vote Republican, they support that document, whether they read it or not. Ignorance is not an excuse when the party's stance is purging the government of nonbelievers.

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              2. guttersnipe
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                And they have sign up form on their web page if you want to become one the “brownshirts” to replace the federal employees they are hoping to get rid of.

                And they have sign up form on their web page if you want to become one the “brownshirts” to replace the federal employees they are hoping to get rid of.

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            2. vord
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              I was mostly talking with the presumption of "moderate Republican." You are correct, which is why I'm not a Democrat either. Can't wait for ranked-choice voting to take off.

              I was mostly talking with the presumption of "moderate Republican."

              You are correct, which is why I'm not a Democrat either. Can't wait for ranked-choice voting to take off.

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