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The right’s Anti-Israel insurgents – A burgeoning anti-Zionist strain in the America First movement looks to capitalize on popular disaffection over Palestine for its own ends

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    OBLIVIATER
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    I can't keep track of if the right is "pro-Israel" or "anti-Israel" seems like it changes whenever its politically advantageous.

    I can't keep track of if the right is "pro-Israel" or "anti-Israel" seems like it changes whenever its politically advantageous.

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    1. MimicSquid
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      What you're seeing is a visible schism between different segments of the talking heads on the right. The article points it out: So "the right" isn't pro-Israel or anti-Israel; it's about who has...

      What you're seeing is a visible schism between different segments of the talking heads on the right. The article points it out:

      This uptick in right-wing media skepticism has mostly not filtered up to Republican Party leadership, which remains more hawkish on Israel than the Democratic establishment.

      So "the right" isn't pro-Israel or anti-Israel; it's about who has enough sway with the establishment to push policy.

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    2. updawg
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      A good general rule is pro-Israel (they're the elect, God's chosen people, and helping them helps bring about the end of this world and the Second Coming) and anti-Jew (they're Jewish). That's why...

      A good general rule is pro-Israel (they're the elect, God's chosen people, and helping them helps bring about the end of this world and the Second Coming) and anti-Jew (they're Jewish). That's why there was so much antisemitism before last October.

      Edit: I suppose in light of the other comment discussing a schism of sorts, I should point out that this is really about which voices are dominant. I would say the right is overwhelmingly pro-Israel and not antisemitic, but the antisemitic voices get more notice when Israel isn't in the news. In fact, I would say the main thrust of the right would consider themselves to be the most pro-Jewish group in the country and considers anyone who doesn't support Israel to only do so out of antisemitism.

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      Ullallulloo
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      Generally the right is very pro-Israel. It's really just when you get really, really far right that people start wrapping back around to be anti-Jewish, but that's a fringe part of even the...

      Generally the right is very pro-Israel. It's really just when you get really, really far right that people start wrapping back around to be anti-Jewish, but that's a fringe part of even the current craziness.

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      1. Promonk
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        This implies that people on the left are "anti-Jewish," which doesn't fit my experience at all. In my experience, the vast majority of people on the left are critical of Israel, not Jews or...

        It's really just when you get really, really far right that people start wrapping back around to be anti-Jewish...

        This implies that people on the left are "anti-Jewish," which doesn't fit my experience at all. In my experience, the vast majority of people on the left are critical of Israel, not Jews or Judaism. To be sure, you can find bigots at pretty much every point along the political spectrum, but to flatly declare leftists "anti-Jewish" is a gross mischaracterization.

        I know this gets brought up pretty much every time Israel-Palestine hostility is mentioned these days, but there are still people who pretend criticism of Israeli policy is no different than advocacy for the extermination of Jewish people. It's not. A person can both be vehemently opposed to the persecution of Jews and critical of Israel's settlement policies. The two concepts can coexist in one mind quite well without dissonance.

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    4. sparksbet
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      It's by and large different segments of the right (much as there are different segments of the left with wildly different views on Israel) with different opinions. Mainstream US Republicans are...

      It's by and large different segments of the right (much as there are different segments of the left with wildly different views on Israel) with different opinions. Mainstream US Republicans are pro-Israel for a great number of reasons, and most Christian conservatives in the US are also pro-Israel because of weird end-times theology that's bizarrely popular among your US fundamentalist evangelical crowd. But the ones who are far enough right to just straight up be neo-Nazis are obviously going to be eager to use Israel as an excuse for broader antisemitism.

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      Tuaam
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      It appears to be a bi-partisan issue. I'm curious how antisemitic the American right was pre-ww2, I suspect ww2 led to a huge paradigm shift but I also suspect much of it is derived from the...

      It appears to be a bi-partisan issue. I'm curious how antisemitic the American right was pre-ww2, I suspect ww2 led to a huge paradigm shift but I also suspect much of it is derived from the existence of Israel.

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        ebonGavia
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        The US was very anti-Semitic. See for instance Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh. Their sentiments were not uncommon.

        The US was very anti-Semitic. See for instance Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh. Their sentiments were not uncommon.

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        1. sparksbet
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          Heck, I think a lot of people would argue that the US still is quite antisemitic (fwiw there's no hyphen). Certainly the right tends to use tons of veiled antisemitic rhetoric. Growing up as a...

          Heck, I think a lot of people would argue that the US still is quite antisemitic (fwiw there's no hyphen). Certainly the right tends to use tons of veiled antisemitic rhetoric. Growing up as a conservative Christian in the Midwest, I vividly recall my father saying that "we probably know what their Scripture says better than they do" in reference to some (liberal) Jewish acquaintances. If anything, support for the state of Israel is used as a shield from criticism when it comes to antisemitic rhetoric and beliefs in the US.

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  2. iquanyin
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    is there any bad thing the right won’t try to capitalize on? if so, i’ve yet to hear of it.

    is there any bad thing the right won’t try to capitalize on? if so, i’ve yet to hear of it.

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