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Breaking: Rep. Mike Johnson is the new Speaker of the House
I’m actually rather surprised. He’s firmly right-wing, strongly supportive of Trump, and an election-denialist. He also voted against the CR. I wonder what the party did to get the remaining members back in line (possibly threatening primary challenges)?
They all voted for this guy. There are no moderate republicans any more.
Yeah, the whole thing is rather ridiculous. Maybe he's better than Jim Jordan, though?
Honestly, I'm rather disgusted with the process. In fact, I emailed my (Democratic) representative about it just a little bit ago:
It’s an interesting discussion. If your rep writes back it could be interesting to hear their response. Writing on Nate Silver’s blog, Matt Glassman made a convincing counter argument:
https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-game-theory-of-the-republican
To translate this for your suggestion, if the Democrats helped elect a speaker, the guy they picked would be screwed. He’d have never built up the credibility with his caucus needed to do business: those opposing him could just counter every subsequent vote. And they’d easily be able to do it while labeling the speaker a democrat plant
Yeah, it's an interesting perspective to be sure. I actually read the same blog post yesterday, after I already sent my email to my Representative.
But the premise of the argument is that it's impossible to do bipartisan legislation. Although it looks like we only have two political parties in the United States, as others on Tildes lately have pointed out, that's a bit of a mirage. Look no further than the animosity between the House Freedom Caucus and the Problem Solvers Caucus or, hell, the entire rest of the Republican Party. If a Speaker were selected from the more centrist caucuses of both parties, that would be their procedural coalition. I know that is anathema in American politics, but when you have the House as divided as it is and essentially held hostage by far-right radicals, what's the alternative? Appeasing the House Freedom Caucus on everything? Certainly, in the end, the Speakership became such an exercise in appeasing them. But where does that end?
I have to wonder, if you put the entire list of potential candidates for Speaker on a secret ballot of ranked-preference voting, who would really be elected speaker? Hell, maybe it doesn't even need to be secret. The Democrats could all mark Hakeem Jeffries as their #1 preference. They could present that to their constituents and perhaps that would appease the "no compromises, ever" faction of voters on the left. But maybe, somewhere further down the list, there is a Republican who actually has a chance of gaining a majority of votes from more centrist members of the House. Maybe someone who, like Tom Emmer, Trump and his followers hate. When a potential Speaker is referred to as a RINO by Trump, that sounds like a pretty resounding endorsement to me.
If politics is the art of making sure everyone leaves the table equally dissatisfied, stubbornly refusing to work with people you disagree with is a losing game. At least if you want to govern. If you just want to win political points, that blog is full of examples of how that philosophy can be great for radicals like the House Freedom Caucus. Given the climate of the House right now, a good Speaker would probably have to be someone who is equally undesirable to, say, AOC as Matt Gaetz.
Having said all of that, I'm under no illusions as to how politics in America works. I certainly can't imagine voting for a Republican short of the only Democratic option being Joseph Stalin reincarnated. But I can't help but see the bigger animosity between Republicans in the House as an opportunity to try to moderate the influence of the fascistic wing of the Republican Party. They're the real threat right now.
I think Jim Jordan would've been worse. Johnson seems more put together and level-headed, putting aside his hard-right views. That might be better for generally turning down the heat in in the House.
People need to be a bit more pragmatic, particularly on that side. Get the work done, THEN worry about your niceties/nonsense.
"Jenna Ellis, former Trump lawyer, pleads guilty in Georgia election case." The New York Times.
Also, some relevant commentary from a few days ago. This article refers to Sidney Powell, but of course it applies equally well to Chesebro and Ellis.
We've always treated "white collar" crime different than violent or property crime. I think there are excellent arguments why that should go otherwise - wage theft, fraud, etc is much more impactful to another person than theft at a store.
And the defense attorneys are defending their clients - as they should - but IDK maybe don't break into the Capital as part of a mob trying to overturn election results if you don't want to do jail.
A more perfect justice system would handle all this differently but I think they know very well why these lawyers are being flipped by being offered these deals.
Yes, you could analyze the difference as a white vs blue collar issue, but you could also consider it the difference between pleading guilty versus being found guilty. In a "perfect world", perhaps you wouldn't have plea deals at all -- after all, if someone really did commit several felonies (as was the case with Sidney Powell), is it truly just to forgive those felonies merely for the convenience of avoiding a criminal trial? And that's to say nothing of innocent people who plead guilty due to their inability to make bail. But from a practical perspective, eliminating plea deals is a non-starter: there simply aren't enough judges to try ever case.
As for these particular defendants, it does feel a bit unfair that the architects of the big lie are receiving such light sentences despite being the ones who engendered the conditions that led directly to the attempted insurrection on January 6. But honestly, like you, my sympathy is also blunted: the ones who received prison sentences (as compared to merely receiving probation) are the ones who trespassed into the Capital building. And, for the most part, those who received relatively long sentences (~5+ years) also committed acts of violence (attacking officers).
Yeah look I'm a big "overhaul this whole system because it's broken" due to my professional experience with the legal system. And yeah it'll be bullshit that the "foot soldiers" got more time than the architects.
But also flipping the small fish to get to your big fish, even if this is "small" in a more oceanic sense, is expected. The "Jan 6 defendants" didn't have anything worth flipping them for. If anything prosecuting them without Trump coming to their aid may be the best thing for some of them in the de-brainwashing process. (Not all but some)
But yeah, in a perfect world I'd have sent few of them to prison, and many more of the big fish would be stripped of power, money and status. But here we are.
I feel like it may be important for some folks to experience the direct, unmediated reality of how plush the system is on those with money/connections/fame a d be able to directly compare that with the henchmen-treatment they have and will continue to experienxe.
I always seem to find myself agreeing with defense attorneys. They know shit sometimes and its a delicate line to walk
Tom Emmer is the new Republican speaker nominee-du-jour. The same split between the Freedom Caucus wing of the party and the establishment, which plagued both Scalise and Jordan, remains, so I don't see how his candidacy has any more hope than theirs.
He’s already dropped out. Smh.
I guess I should have said d'heure instead of du jour. What a mess, when there is a looming shutdown and multiple international crises. The sad thing is I honestly don't even know if this will matter at the polls.
Polling suggests that congressional Republicans as a whole are underwater with Republican likely voters, which is not the normal state of affairs. Whether that turns into anything is another question, but implies an overall vulnerability to primary challenges.
What a fucking clown show.
Trump Told to Pay $10,000 in New Punishment for Breaking Gag Order
I must admit, I laughed at the judge's quote. But this does feel like consequences are starting to happen here.