Big let-down for the progressive nature we also seem to possess. We'll have to see how it all pans out as he'll have to work alongside other parties to form a coalition.
Big let-down for the progressive nature we also seem to possess. We'll have to see how it all pans out as he'll have to work alongside other parties to form a coalition.
That's about as big as a party will get, so there's little wrong with the title. He's got the initiative now to start forming a coalition and finding like minded parties. But hey, if a right wing...
That's about as big as a party will get, so there's little wrong with the title.
He's got the initiative now to start forming a coalition and finding like minded parties.
But hey, if a right wing coalition didn't get us anywhere in the past ten years why not go even further right!
That’s the silly thing though. The guy has been in parliament for decades and he did fuck all. Except for talking shit (quite well I must say). I guess people just want change, but there is little...
That’s the silly thing though. The guy has been in parliament for decades and he did fuck all. Except for talking shit (quite well I must say).
I guess people just want change, but there is little overall agreement on what change.
Context is important, though. If someone used to a two party system or direct presidential election sees this headline, they're likely to believe Wilders is the next prime minister and his party...
Context is important, though. If someone used to a two party system or direct presidential election sees this headline, they're likely to believe Wilders is the next prime minister and his party the new administration. I wish they'd added a little more context in the title, but I guess this article is primarily for a European audience, who are more used to multi-party coalitions. And of course; alarmist headlines get more clicks.
For lets say an American audience I'd be inclined to agree but this domain ends on .eu making the audience clear. It needed no extra context from my (admittedly European, and even Dutch)...
For lets say an American audience I'd be inclined to agree but this domain ends on .eu making the audience clear. It needed no extra context from my (admittedly European, and even Dutch) perspective as the title isn't hyperbole, he did win the elections. What happens with that result is explained in the article and should provide the necessary context.
Honestly? These right-wing power hungry, dark monkey fuck wits are going to kill us all. I know that sounds hyperbolic, but throwing xenophobic shade everywhere because of our own choices and...
Honestly? These right-wing power hungry, dark monkey fuck wits are going to kill us all.
I know that sounds hyperbolic, but throwing xenophobic shade everywhere because of our own choices and actions in the world is insane. So much of the global migration problems are caused by war and capitalistic greed which is caused by these clowns and their mates.
So then they blame the victims for wanting better and leaving their homelands to come to places that are better?
Oh I know, it's the same game generation after generation. Probably the first few that we've been actively staring down The barrel of existential annihilation (Nukes, War and Climate Change) and...
Oh I know, it's the same game generation after generation.
Probably the first few that we've been actively staring down The barrel of existential annihilation (Nukes, War and Climate Change) and the same faces are determined to keep us apart when really? They'll starve and burn will the rest of us.
Ridiculous. And people laugh when I say I want to live off grid away from this stuff.
And not just xenophobia. They're so violently populist contrarian, they opposite everything that might actually ever solve any real problem. Climate change? Fuck it! Refugees? Fuck'em! Wars? Fuck...
And not just xenophobia. They're so violently populist contrarian, they opposite everything that might actually ever solve any real problem.
It's all just an endless stream of offering confused and unsure people a seemingly simple explanation for all their problems. With absolutely no attempt at doing anything about it at all, other than centralize power and put as much cash and comfort into their own pockets, knowing full well they'll be dead from old age by the time the true fallout of their callous actions happens.
That being said, there are chances to improve things here. For example here in Germany, the AfD (basically the modern Nazi party if you're unaware) is for heavily increasing how many people we deport. And I say, of course! I'm all for that. The AfD overall doesn't like the federal state, so why should they be part of it?
And we can do that without deportation, if that's too krass. You're against the modern state that offers protections, basic income, all those things? Well then, it'd be quite unfair to make you suffer its yoke, like medical care, public transport, the right to vote or schools. (I am aware they have tons of money and could get everything privately, but most banking would be restricted, too :P )
Joking of course but fuck, I wish we'd use these fuckfaces own rhetoric against them. "You don't like it here? Well sure, now you're no longer part of it. Have it your way."
One thing from your , uh, rant: Economically Wilders is on the left. Also, the whole reason this even happened is because people strategically voted, and he got a huge influx on votes after he...
One thing from your word salad, uh, rant:
capitalistic greed
Economically Wilders is on the left. Also, the whole reason this even happened is because people strategically voted, and he got a huge influx on votes after he said he would smoothen the edges and take compromises on a lot of these takes.
Whether that means anything remains to be seen. But it won't look good for asylum seekers regardless.
Economically on the left is easy when you're in the opposition. He used to be part of the VVD and voted with them loads, even when in opposition. We'll see how truly economically left he is as...
Economically on the left is easy when you're in the opposition. He used to be part of the VVD and voted with them loads, even when in opposition. We'll see how truly economically left he is as time goes on and he has to work with right wing parties (hint: those theoretical left wing stances go out the window)
Yep, the coalition will act like a big filter, but that's why it exists as well. He's always talked loads, so it will be interesting to see what he can actually do, however. So he's definitely got...
Yep, the coalition will act like a big filter, but that's why it exists as well.
He's always talked loads, so it will be interesting to see what he can actually do, however. So he's definitely got a ridiculous uphill battle to commit to. If he gets the chance. (?)
Which I think is interesting because the first chamber is majority BBB, which means any left-wing coalition can't ignore them. Meanwhile BBB is willing to go with PVV.
It's not my preferred candidate either. But the people have spoken.. And I'm not going to be one of those goobers protesting our own democracy on the street.
Admittedly I can only go as far as his wiki page which doesn't seem to have any leftist of left-ish positions, could you expand on how he's on the left economically?
Admittedly I can only go as far as his wiki page which doesn't seem to have any leftist of left-ish positions, could you expand on how he's on the left economically?
He isn't. His party only supports left-wing economic policies for native born citizens, not immigrants, which doesn't seem very leftist to me. From a Guardian article about the election results:
“The PVV, of course, is not a party that is really leftwing when it comes to socioeconomic politics, but it is a party that is also when it comes to socioeconomics is not really rightwing … Wilders presents himself as there for the poor: it’s also what people sometimes call welfare chauvinism. So he argues that the people who have difficulties should be helped, but that is only true for what he calls ‘Henk and Ingrid’, the Dutch names that he calls his voters. And that’s not ‘Mohammed and Fatima’, so to speak. So it is welfare, but only for, according to him, our people.”
Well for one we have a eigen risico, which is a yearly amount of healthcare costs you pay before insurance steps in. The PVV (The Freedom Party), wants to reduce this to 0. They are not the only...
Well for one we have a eigen risico, which is a yearly amount of healthcare costs you pay before insurance steps in. The PVV (The Freedom Party), wants to reduce this to 0. They are not the only party with this proposal, but is it shared among left wing parties.
Word salad also has a meaning in a mental health sense. Disjointed, hard to understand sentences and paragraphs, often the sign of progressing hypomania leading into mania. So named because of the...
Word salad also has a meaning in a mental health sense.
Disjointed, hard to understand sentences and paragraphs, often the sign of progressing hypomania leading into mania.
So named because of the way a salad is typically a disorganised mess...the way a hypomanic person's words can seem to everyone else.
The GP post wasn't word salad, but angry rant is appropriate (and not fully unwarranted tbh).
Source: Been in and out of inpatient for manic episodes multiple times.
Meta sit-down. I mean, literally any words can be used in a dismissive or condecending manner, bud (see?). Its part of why intent and context matter much more than any specific phrase. It's why I...
Meta sit-down. I mean, literally any words can be used in a dismissive or condecending manner, bud (see?). Its part of why intent and context matter much more than any specific phrase. It's why I roll my eyes at word policing more than overall tone and content.
I don't think @pete_the_paper_boat was any more in the wrong than you, in terms of tone. As they demonstrated, rant was a perfect substitute, and did not diminish any other part of their post, which I think was reasonable.
And to be clear, you were not wrong IMO, in tone or sentiment. But mind that others also tend to respond in hostile manners to hostility, even if its not directed at them.
Part of discussing in good faith is to assume the best intentions of all involved. @unkz could have just as easily caused things to escalate instead of de-escalate, as their reply really added nothing to the discussion. Truthfully, I probably shouldn't have engaged either.
@Necronomicommunist did the better thing, and addressed the actual content of the discussion than trying to nitpick tone.
I’m sorry I came across as tone policing, but my concern wasn’t for the specific argument, nor about shutting down opinions that aren’t expressed in the “right way”, but rather that a personal...
I’m sorry I came across as tone policing, but my concern wasn’t for the specific argument, nor about shutting down opinions that aren’t expressed in the “right way”, but rather that a personal attack was being directed, not at an outside third party or public figure, but at an actual user here.
The absolute joy of text conversation, loses the 'way' something is said eh? I don't mind engaging, but often if I can't say it's good or bad faith I just choose not to. Just bloody safer.
The absolute joy of text conversation, loses the 'way' something is said eh?
I don't mind engaging, but often if I can't say it's good or bad faith I just choose not to. Just bloody safer.
Oh well, All in all, your comment was clear and concise and I think the word rant is appropriate. But if we're talking about setting the tone: ...is not exactly what I have in mind when I think of...
Oh well,
All in all, your comment was clear and concise and I think the word rant is appropriate. But if we're talking about setting the tone:
dark monkey fuck wits
...is not exactly what I have in mind when I think of tildes either.
And he's not even alone in wanting this. They'll just point to other reasons the UK is circling the drain. It's bad folks. The only thing I'm hoping for now is either difficulties creating a...
And he's not even alone in wanting this. They'll just point to other reasons the UK is circling the drain.
It's bad folks. The only thing I'm hoping for now is either difficulties creating a coalition, or one that dramatically implodes within a few months.
Big let-down for the progressive nature we also seem to possess. We'll have to see how it all pans out as he'll have to work alongside other parties to form a coalition.
I think the progressive nature of Dutch people isn't a thing. Once, maybe. But the past elections have shown me this isn't a thing.
While bad, this is not as awful as the headline makes it out to be.
That's about as big as a party will get, so there's little wrong with the title.
He's got the initiative now to start forming a coalition and finding like minded parties.
But hey, if a right wing coalition didn't get us anywhere in the past ten years why not go even further right!
That’s the silly thing though. The guy has been in parliament for decades and he did fuck all. Except for talking shit (quite well I must say).
I guess people just want change, but there is little overall agreement on what change.
Context is important, though. If someone used to a two party system or direct presidential election sees this headline, they're likely to believe Wilders is the next prime minister and his party the new administration. I wish they'd added a little more context in the title, but I guess this article is primarily for a European audience, who are more used to multi-party coalitions. And of course; alarmist headlines get more clicks.
For lets say an American audience I'd be inclined to agree but this domain ends on .eu making the audience clear. It needed no extra context from my (admittedly European, and even Dutch) perspective as the title isn't hyperbole, he did win the elections. What happens with that result is explained in the article and should provide the necessary context.
Honestly? These right-wing power hungry, dark monkey fuck wits are going to kill us all.
I know that sounds hyperbolic, but throwing xenophobic shade everywhere because of our own choices and actions in the world is insane. So much of the global migration problems are caused by war and capitalistic greed which is caused by these clowns and their mates.
So then they blame the victims for wanting better and leaving their homelands to come to places that are better?
Christ Alive.
Divide and Conquer has never changed. Just need a scapegoat and narrative and people will believe it to be true.
Oh I know, it's the same game generation after generation.
Probably the first few that we've been actively staring down The barrel of existential annihilation (Nukes, War and Climate Change) and the same faces are determined to keep us apart when really? They'll starve and burn will the rest of us.
Ridiculous. And people laugh when I say I want to live off grid away from this stuff.
You're not alone
And not just xenophobia. They're so violently populist contrarian, they opposite everything that might actually ever solve any real problem.
Climate change? Fuck it!
Refugees? Fuck'em!
Wars? Fuck it, look away!
Natural disasters? Not here, fuck people!
It's all just an endless stream of offering confused and unsure people a seemingly simple explanation for all their problems. With absolutely no attempt at doing anything about it at all, other than centralize power and put as much cash and comfort into their own pockets, knowing full well they'll be dead from old age by the time the true fallout of their callous actions happens.
That being said, there are chances to improve things here. For example here in Germany, the AfD (basically the modern Nazi party if you're unaware) is for heavily increasing how many people we deport. And I say, of course! I'm all for that. The AfD overall doesn't like the federal state, so why should they be part of it?
And we can do that without deportation, if that's too krass. You're against the modern state that offers protections, basic income, all those things? Well then, it'd be quite unfair to make you suffer its yoke, like medical care, public transport, the right to vote or schools. (I am aware they have tons of money and could get everything privately, but most banking would be restricted, too :P )
Joking of course but fuck, I wish we'd use these fuckfaces own rhetoric against them. "You don't like it here? Well sure, now you're no longer part of it. Have it your way."
One thing from your
word salad, uh, rant:Economically Wilders is on the left. Also, the whole reason this even happened is because people strategically voted, and he got a huge influx on votes after he said he would smoothen the edges and take compromises on a lot of these takes.
Whether that means anything remains to be seen. But it won't look good for asylum seekers regardless.
Economically on the left is easy when you're in the opposition. He used to be part of the VVD and voted with them loads, even when in opposition. We'll see how truly economically left he is as time goes on and he has to work with right wing parties (hint: those theoretical left wing stances go out the window)
Yep, the coalition will act like a big filter, but that's why it exists as well.
He's always talked loads, so it will be interesting to see what he can actually do, however. So he's definitely got a ridiculous uphill battle to commit to. If he gets the chance. (?)
Which I think is interesting because the first chamber is majority BBB, which means any left-wing coalition can't ignore them. Meanwhile BBB is willing to go with PVV.
It's not my preferred candidate either. But the people have spoken.. And I'm not going to be one of those goobers protesting our own democracy on the street.
Admittedly I can only go as far as his wiki page which doesn't seem to have any leftist of left-ish positions, could you expand on how he's on the left economically?
He isn't. His party only supports left-wing economic policies for native born citizens, not immigrants, which doesn't seem very leftist to me. From a Guardian article about the election results:
Well for one we have a eigen risico, which is a yearly amount of healthcare costs you pay before insurance steps in. The PVV (The Freedom Party), wants to reduce this to 0. They are not the only party with this proposal, but is it shared among left wing parties.
They are also left wing when it comes to housing.
A little rude, don’t you think?
Word salad also has a meaning in a mental health sense.
Disjointed, hard to understand sentences and paragraphs, often the sign of progressing hypomania leading into mania.
So named because of the way a salad is typically a disorganised mess...the way a hypomanic person's words can seem to everyone else.
The GP post wasn't word salad, but angry rant is appropriate (and not fully unwarranted tbh).
Source: Been in and out of inpatient for manic episodes multiple times.
The pre-edit post only said word salad, not rant.
Yes, I know. I saw the post-edit. Was just adding context to word salad.
Thank you bud. I did choose not to rise to the initial comment as it's also a phrase used to silence voices.
Meta sit-down. I mean, literally any words can be used in a dismissive or condecending manner, bud (see?). Its part of why intent and context matter much more than any specific phrase. It's why I roll my eyes at word policing more than overall tone and content.
I don't think @pete_the_paper_boat was any more in the wrong than you, in terms of tone. As they demonstrated, rant was a perfect substitute, and did not diminish any other part of their post, which I think was reasonable.
And to be clear, you were not wrong IMO, in tone or sentiment. But mind that others also tend to respond in hostile manners to hostility, even if its not directed at them.
Part of discussing in good faith is to assume the best intentions of all involved. @unkz could have just as easily caused things to escalate instead of de-escalate, as their reply really added nothing to the discussion. Truthfully, I probably shouldn't have engaged either.
@Necronomicommunist did the better thing, and addressed the actual content of the discussion than trying to nitpick tone.
I’m sorry I came across as tone policing, but my concern wasn’t for the specific argument, nor about shutting down opinions that aren’t expressed in the “right way”, but rather that a personal attack was being directed, not at an outside third party or public figure, but at an actual user here.
I'll clarify, word salad was indeed a bit harsh. Ty.
It was in reference to the strong opening line of that comment.
The absolute joy of text conversation, loses the 'way' something is said eh?
I don't mind engaging, but often if I can't say it's good or bad faith I just choose not to. Just bloody safer.
Oh well,
All in all, your comment was clear and concise and I think the word rant is appropriate. But if we're talking about setting the tone:
...is not exactly what I have in mind when I think of tildes either.
Wanting that after Brexit takes a special kind of stupid.
And he's not even alone in wanting this. They'll just point to other reasons the UK is circling the drain.
It's bad folks. The only thing I'm hoping for now is either difficulties creating a coalition, or one that dramatically implodes within a few months.