They did it. They kept the far right out. I was just depressed about their inevitable victory all week. This has been an excellent election year so far! Now hoping the Americans don't fuck up this...
They did it. They kept the far right out. I was just depressed about their inevitable victory all week. This has been an excellent election year so far! Now hoping the Americans don't fuck up this streak.
As a foreign gay woman living in France, I was extremely nervous about this election. I was even looking at the process for giving up my other nationalities to keep just the French one, in case...
As a foreign gay woman living in France, I was extremely nervous about this election. I was even looking at the process for giving up my other nationalities to keep just the French one, in case things would really turn sour under the rule of the far right. The results are obviously a huge relief, but the RN still almost doubled their current number of seats. I hope people don't become complacent and we can all start fighting back in earnest against the rise of the far right, they certainly won't stop here.
I had the same thought this morning, but I'm. Much less intune with European politics compared to US politics and it does not feel like the right is losing any ground here.
I had the same thought this morning, but I'm. Much less intune with European politics compared to US politics and it does not feel like the right is losing any ground here.
In the UK I wouldn’t say the far right are losing ground. Reform (far right) did well, and Labour (left) actually got the same vote share. It’s just the right was fragmented and this held them...
In the UK I wouldn’t say the far right are losing ground. Reform (far right) did well, and Labour (left) actually got the same vote share. It’s just the right was fragmented and this held them back.
Things might still change but there is a sizeable far right movement in the UK atm, as there is seemingly everywhere.
France seems the same: significant far right group, but strongly disliked by the rest of the country.
One theory I've read (without any particular evidence behind it, but plausible enough to pass along) is that many of the votes for the far right might have been protest votes, and some of these...
One theory I've read (without any particular evidence behind it, but plausible enough to pass along) is that many of the votes for the far right might have been protest votes, and some of these voters changed their minds when it looked like they would win.
This sort of thing would make elections less predictable, since it depends on perceptions that can change quickly and that voters can be wrong about.
Maybe later, someone will find evidence about what happened?
My understanding is that a number of 2nd place candidates stepped out so that there was only one of the two "left" parties running against the fascist one.
My understanding is that a number of 2nd place candidates stepped out so that there was only one of the two "left" parties running against the fascist one.
Sound like preferential voting done manually. Obviously if, by having the third place candidate stand down, the second place candidate can get more votes than the previous first one, then more...
Sound like preferential voting done manually. Obviously if, by having the third place candidate stand down, the second place candidate can get more votes than the previous first one, then more people in total would prefer one of the second or third than the first. With ranked voting that means that one of those candidates would have won anyway, without requiring someone to withdraw first.
Yeah I guess "third" is more accurate (2nd between the Left and Macronists... which cannot be the name of the party right? but is the only way I've seen folks labeling them in English right now)
Yeah I guess "third" is more accurate (2nd between the Left and Macronists... which cannot be the name of the party right? but is the only way I've seen folks labeling them in English right now)
The left is the NFP - Nouvelle Front Populaire - New Popular Front. It is a coalition of multiple parties ranging from center left (PS - Parti Socialiste, I think you'll handle that, and EELV aka...
The left is the NFP - Nouvelle Front Populaire - New Popular Front. It is a coalition of multiple parties ranging from center left (PS - Parti Socialiste, I think you'll handle that, and EELV aka LE, which are greens) to hard left (PCF - Parti Communiste Francaise, and LFI - La France Insoumise, France unbowed).
Macron's supporters mostly organized into a coalition of their own, Ensemble - Together. It consists of multiple centrist/liberal parties, of which the Renaissance party would be Macron's.
Sadly if votes are anything to go by, the left stuck by that republican coalition much more than the center did, who at times went to the RN at near even ratios.
Sadly if votes are anything to go by, the left stuck by that republican coalition much more than the center did, who at times went to the RN at near even ratios.
Yeah I'm not good enough to break it down totally, just followed a good thread on the election. The PM was calling folks asking them to step aside, Macron was calling some to have them stay in....
Yeah I'm not good enough to break it down totally, just followed a good thread on the election. The PM was calling folks asking them to step aside, Macron was calling some to have them stay in. It's a bit baffling to me why unless he wanted to align with the far right. That's about where I lose the thread.
The logic behind Macron's stance was that some of the more extreme candidates in the left-wing coalition (mainly in La France Insoumise party) support policies which he believes are unacceptable....
The logic behind Macron's stance was that some of the more extreme candidates in the left-wing coalition (mainly in La France Insoumise party) support policies which he believes are unacceptable. Policies such as leaving/reducing support for NATO, reducing support for Ukraine, completely disavowing the Israeli government. Macron's call was for candidates from his party to drop out only if the candidate that would be left aligned with their "political values".
Note, I don't fully agree with this logic, given we were staring down the barrel of the proverbial gun, just explaining the logic behind such a position
Got it, I saw framing suggesting he did want to align with the right, especially as they said his party had been tacking right. But the PM, Attal, also seemed quite frustrated with the whole thing...
Got it, I saw framing suggesting he did want to align with the right, especially as they said his party had been tacking right. But the PM, Attal, also seemed quite frustrated with the whole thing from calling the election to not working to have candidates drop out. And the people are genuinely excited to have so many left votes. We'll see how forming the government shakes out.
My French is definitely not up to reading primary sources though so ty!
They did it. They kept the far right out. I was just depressed about their inevitable victory all week. This has been an excellent election year so far! Now hoping the Americans don't fuck up this streak.
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As a foreign gay woman living in France, I was extremely nervous about this election. I was even looking at the process for giving up my other nationalities to keep just the French one, in case things would really turn sour under the rule of the far right. The results are obviously a huge relief, but the RN still almost doubled their current number of seats. I hope people don't become complacent and we can all start fighting back in earnest against the rise of the far right, they certainly won't stop here.
I am cautiously optimistic about the US election with the results in the UK and France. Seems like the far right is finally losing ground.
I had the same thought this morning, but I'm. Much less intune with European politics compared to US politics and it does not feel like the right is losing any ground here.
In the UK I wouldn’t say the far right are losing ground. Reform (far right) did well, and Labour (left) actually got the same vote share. It’s just the right was fragmented and this held them back.
Things might still change but there is a sizeable far right movement in the UK atm, as there is seemingly everywhere.
France seems the same: significant far right group, but strongly disliked by the rest of the country.
One theory I've read (without any particular evidence behind it, but plausible enough to pass along) is that many of the votes for the far right might have been protest votes, and some of these voters changed their minds when it looked like they would win.
This sort of thing would make elections less predictable, since it depends on perceptions that can change quickly and that voters can be wrong about.
Maybe later, someone will find evidence about what happened?
My understanding is that a number of 2nd place candidates stepped out so that there was only one of the two "left" parties running against the fascist one.
Sound like preferential voting done manually. Obviously if, by having the third place candidate stand down, the second place candidate can get more votes than the previous first one, then more people in total would prefer one of the second or third than the first. With ranked voting that means that one of those candidates would have won anyway, without requiring someone to withdraw first.
Yeah I guess "third" is more accurate (2nd between the Left and Macronists... which cannot be the name of the party right? but is the only way I've seen folks labeling them in English right now)
The left is the NFP - Nouvelle Front Populaire - New Popular Front. It is a coalition of multiple parties ranging from center left (PS - Parti Socialiste, I think you'll handle that, and EELV aka LE, which are greens) to hard left (PCF - Parti Communiste Francaise, and LFI - La France Insoumise, France unbowed).
Macron's supporters mostly organized into a coalition of their own, Ensemble - Together. It consists of multiple centrist/liberal parties, of which the Renaissance party would be Macron's.
Ty! That helps a lot.
Sadly if votes are anything to go by, the left stuck by that republican coalition much more than the center did, who at times went to the RN at near even ratios.
Yeah I'm not good enough to break it down totally, just followed a good thread on the election. The PM was calling folks asking them to step aside, Macron was calling some to have them stay in. It's a bit baffling to me why unless he wanted to align with the far right. That's about where I lose the thread.
The logic behind Macron's stance was that some of the more extreme candidates in the left-wing coalition (mainly in La France Insoumise party) support policies which he believes are unacceptable. Policies such as leaving/reducing support for NATO, reducing support for Ukraine, completely disavowing the Israeli government. Macron's call was for candidates from his party to drop out only if the candidate that would be left aligned with their "political values".
Note, I don't fully agree with this logic, given we were staring down the barrel of the proverbial gun, just explaining the logic behind such a position
Got it, I saw framing suggesting he did want to align with the right, especially as they said his party had been tacking right. But the PM, Attal, also seemed quite frustrated with the whole thing from calling the election to not working to have candidates drop out. And the people are genuinely excited to have so many left votes. We'll see how forming the government shakes out.
My French is definitely not up to reading primary sources though so ty!
This sounds somewhat similar to the Brexit vote. But I am extremely uninformed in both of these cases.
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