Seriously, how do they define a "running school"? Literacy is honestly a fairly low bar on the education scale...
Literacy is important, the judge noted. But students enjoy no right to access to being taught literacy. All the state has to do is make sure schools run. If they are unable to educate their students, that's a shame, but court rulings have not established that "access to literacy" is "a fundamental right."
Seriously, how do they define a "running school"? Literacy is honestly a fairly low bar on the education scale...
As long as the schools do their part by feeding an adequate number of students into the prisons, they're "running". Middle-class (or better) white and Asian kids get the school-to-employment...
As long as the schools do their part by feeding an adequate number of students into the prisons, they're "running". Middle-class (or better) white and Asian kids get the school-to-employment pipeline. Poor white and Asian kids, as well as all black and Hispanic kids, get the school-to-prison pipleline.
We never abolished segregated schools in the US. We just got more subtle.
Honest question, does race really override socioeconomic status on this one? I know that with all else equal, there's a disparity in outcomes between races, but I'd be very surprised to see that...
Middle-class (or better) white and Asian kids get the school-to-employment pipeline. Poor white and Asian kids, as well as all black and Hispanic kids, get the school-to-prison pipleline.
Honest question, does race really override socioeconomic status on this one? I know that with all else equal, there's a disparity in outcomes between races, but I'd be very surprised to see that the child of, say, a black doctor and lawyer is more likely to go to prison than the child of a white single parent who works for minimum wage.
I would imagine that embedded in the point that demifiend is making is the implication that, largely due to these exact circumstances (or pipelines, as they call them), race is a very strong...
I would imagine that embedded in the point that demifiend is making is the implication that, largely due to these exact circumstances (or pipelines, as they call them), race is a very strong indicator of SES, and SES can reasonably be considered a general proxy for SES.
Separately, black people in America are certainly far more likely to at least be arrested than white people, all other things held equal (which they rarely are). Lots of other factors would probably have some effect on our hypothetical well-off black child of wealthy parents and their likelihood of arrest/imprisonment (like the neighborhood they live in, school they attend, who they're friends with, etc.). It seems unlikely that race overrides SES, i.e. that every individual black American is more likely than any individual white American to be arrested at some point, but it seems much more likely that SES does not override race, i.e. wealthy black Americans are still substantially more likely to be arrested than their wealthy white counterparts, innocent of all crimes or otherwise.
I might have just been reading it over-precisely; I was surprised to see "Poor white and Asian kids, as well as all black and Hispanic kids" as a group, but I can quite see that could mean "not...
I might have just been reading it over-precisely; I was surprised to see "Poor white and Asian kids, as well as all black and Hispanic kids" as a group, but I can quite see that could mean "not quite literally all but still far too many".
It seems unlikely that race overrides SES, i.e. that every individual black American is more likely than any individual white American to be arrested at some point, but it seems much more likely that SES does not override race, i.e. wealthy black Americans are still substantially more likely to be arrested than their wealthy white counterparts, innocent of all crimes or otherwise.
Understood - that's a rather depressing but very plausible way of looking at it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it did, but I don't have statistics handy. Even a black doctor or lawyer isn't likely to have the same wealth of connections that their white colleagues enjoy.
Honest question, does race really override socioeconomic status on this one? ... I'd be very surprised to see that the child of, say, a black doctor and lawyer is more likely to go to prison than the child of a white single parent who works for minimum wage.
I wouldn't be surprised if it did, but I don't have statistics handy. Even a black doctor or lawyer isn't likely to have the same wealth of connections that their white colleagues enjoy.
Back in the early 2000's my parents town recalled half their school board after they decided to rezone which neighborhood went to which school. None of the rich white people wanted their kids...
Back in the early 2000's my parents town recalled half their school board after they decided to rezone which neighborhood went to which school. None of the rich white people wanted their kids going to school with the poor Hispanics and immigrants. Of course they didn't flat out say those reasons, but it was very obvious as to why the old members were voted out and the schools immediately went back to be separated by SES.
State-sponsored childcare. It's always been an important aspect of why schools exist, but I'm saddened (and honestly quite surprised, even through my many layers of cynicism) that they've now...
State-sponsored childcare. It's always been an important aspect of why schools exist, but I'm saddened (and honestly quite surprised, even through my many layers of cynicism) that they've now explicitly ruled that that's the only part that matters.
This is just utterly disgusting. How can you possibly say that you "run a school" without trying to teach or give literacy to your students? Do these people not realize the total destruction of...
This is just utterly disgusting. How can you possibly say that you "run a school" without trying to teach or give literacy to your students? Do these people not realize the total destruction of the students' lives by denying them proper education which would allow them to progress into society?
Even if we put the literacy issues aside, the environment those students are in are absolutely unacceptable, I don't know any other place where this kind of environment would be fine - Not at work, not at kindergarten, nowhere. How is this acceptable in any way?
Is this simply another case of corruption? How can anyone judge this to be fine? I really feel this wouldn't exist if Aaron was still alive, he wouldn't stand by this - I don't want to stand by this. I don't want this to be our future. It makes my brain hurt just to think about it.
Well this is seriously fucked up. I'm beginning to think that America can't be fixed without being razed to the ground first. This is thoroughly depressing.
Well this is seriously fucked up.
I'm beginning to think that America can't be fixed without being razed to the ground first.
This is thoroughly depressing.
Seriously, how do they define a "running school"? Literacy is honestly a fairly low bar on the education scale...
As long as the schools do their part by feeding an adequate number of students into the prisons, they're "running". Middle-class (or better) white and Asian kids get the school-to-employment pipeline. Poor white and Asian kids, as well as all black and Hispanic kids, get the school-to-prison pipleline.
We never abolished segregated schools in the US. We just got more subtle.
Honest question, does race really override socioeconomic status on this one? I know that with all else equal, there's a disparity in outcomes between races, but I'd be very surprised to see that the child of, say, a black doctor and lawyer is more likely to go to prison than the child of a white single parent who works for minimum wage.
I would imagine that embedded in the point that demifiend is making is the implication that, largely due to these exact circumstances (or pipelines, as they call them), race is a very strong indicator of SES, and SES can reasonably be considered a general proxy for SES.
Separately, black people in America are certainly far more likely to at least be arrested than white people, all other things held equal (which they rarely are). Lots of other factors would probably have some effect on our hypothetical well-off black child of wealthy parents and their likelihood of arrest/imprisonment (like the neighborhood they live in, school they attend, who they're friends with, etc.). It seems unlikely that race overrides SES, i.e. that every individual black American is more likely than any individual white American to be arrested at some point, but it seems much more likely that SES does not override race, i.e. wealthy black Americans are still substantially more likely to be arrested than their wealthy white counterparts, innocent of all crimes or otherwise.
I might have just been reading it over-precisely; I was surprised to see "Poor white and Asian kids, as well as all black and Hispanic kids" as a group, but I can quite see that could mean "not quite literally all but still far too many".
Understood - that's a rather depressing but very plausible way of looking at it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it did, but I don't have statistics handy. Even a black doctor or lawyer isn't likely to have the same wealth of connections that their white colleagues enjoy.
That's a sad thought that unfortunately does have a ring of truth.
Back in the early 2000's my parents town recalled half their school board after they decided to rezone which neighborhood went to which school. None of the rich white people wanted their kids going to school with the poor Hispanics and immigrants. Of course they didn't flat out say those reasons, but it was very obvious as to why the old members were voted out and the schools immediately went back to be separated by SES.
State-sponsored childcare. It's always been an important aspect of why schools exist, but I'm saddened (and honestly quite surprised, even through my many layers of cynicism) that they've now explicitly ruled that that's the only part that matters.
Glorified baby-sitting...
I'm with you, not surprised that's the case, but sadden that it's now explicitly stated to be.
This is just utterly disgusting. How can you possibly say that you "run a school" without trying to teach or give literacy to your students? Do these people not realize the total destruction of the students' lives by denying them proper education which would allow them to progress into society?
Even if we put the literacy issues aside, the environment those students are in are absolutely unacceptable, I don't know any other place where this kind of environment would be fine - Not at work, not at kindergarten, nowhere. How is this acceptable in any way?
Is this simply another case of corruption? How can anyone judge this to be fine? I really feel this wouldn't exist if Aaron was still alive, he wouldn't stand by this - I don't want to stand by this. I don't want this to be our future. It makes my brain hurt just to think about it.
Well this is seriously fucked up.
I'm beginning to think that America can't be fixed without being razed to the ground first.
This is thoroughly depressing.
Our laws are being rewritten by anti-democratic judicial fiat.