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FBI Ranks 'Black Identity Extremists' Bigger Threat Than Al Qaeda, White Supremacists

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  1. [8]
    alyaza
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    we've previously had a conversation about the priorities of the three letter agencies; apparently, the assessment that they care more about obtuse threats that have no power than real ones which...

    we've previously had a conversation about the priorities of the three letter agencies; apparently, the assessment that they care more about obtuse threats that have no power than real ones which have actually carried out attacks and are radicalizing people is... accurate.

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    1. [7]
      jgb
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      I realise that as a Brit I am somewhat insulated from the racial sensitivities and divides in the US. That said, given the budget, resource, and intelligence at the FBI, what's more likely - that...

      I realise that as a Brit I am somewhat insulated from the racial sensitivities and divides in the US. That said, given the budget, resource, and intelligence at the FBI, what's more likely - that they are organizationally crippled to the point that they are doing their job utterly wrong, or that possibly they know something that you don't? Occam's razor seems to apply here and, to me, it falls strongly in favor of the three-letter-bureaus.

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        alyaza
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        the former. this is not the obama adminstration or the bush administration, it's the trump administration. the conventional wisdom does not apply and has not applied since he started shoving...

        what's more likely - that they are organizationally crippled to the point that they are doing their job utterly wrong, or that possibly they know something that you don't

        the former. this is not the obama adminstration or the bush administration, it's the trump administration. the conventional wisdom does not apply and has not applied since he started shoving people who explicitly want to dismantle certain agencies or who explicitly have priorities which align with his fairly obviously racist interests into the lead positions at those agencies. the nation of islam and the like 45 people who compose the NPBB are not and have never been a threat to america comparable to the islamic radicals and white nationalists who have committed almost every terrorist attack for the past 19 years. i reiterate from the last thread: there have been more attempted and completed synagogue shootings than black nationalist attacks on anything in the past 4 years.

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        1. Silbern
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          Yeah, and it's not just the FBI that's been crippled either. My dad works in the Navy, and you know what our priority is right now? Space.. Which is supposed to be the domain of the Air Force and...

          Yeah, and it's not just the FBI that's been crippled either. My dad works in the Navy, and you know what our priority is right now? Space.. Which is supposed to be the domain of the Air Force and NASA, although apparently they're trying to move the defense side of it to the Space Force, but since someone up in the Navy wants to kiss Trump's ass, they're trying to redirect a significant portion of the Navy's funding and resources into assisting space research, while the Navy's running out of money to pay for something as basic as tuition assistance for active duty sailor, nevermind pay for basic maintenance on our ships.

          And that's not even beginning on the EPA protecting oil interests over the Alaskan wilderness, the ED supporting privatized and religious schools over secular public ones and ruining the years long effort to get healthier school lunches, the IRS gasping for breath as it can't even afford to buy pens for its secretaries anymore. This whole administration is corrupt and incompetent to the core, and our governmental services are absolutely suffering and being misdirected as a result. I have no problem believing someone in the FBI ordered the analysts to rank black protestors above white supremacists to kiss up to Trump. It's some third world shit we're seeing right now, and nothing will make me happier than to see that man voted out of office next year. I've had enough of his BS.

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        2. jgb
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          Yeah, it might well be my insulation showing then. I always forget how much power the US president has to stuff government agencies with his own people. That just doesn't happen over here.

          Yeah, it might well be my insulation showing then. I always forget how much power the US president has to stuff government agencies with his own people. That just doesn't happen over here.

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      2. [2]
        no_exit
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        considering the FBI's long history of specifically targeting Black people and organizers (COINTELPRO, Fred Hampton, etc etc), I think it's neither of these, and more like they don't give a shit...

        that they are organizationally crippled to the point that they are doing their job utterly wrong, or that possibly they know something that you don't?

        considering the FBI's long history of specifically targeting Black people and organizers (COINTELPRO, Fred Hampton, etc etc), I think it's neither of these, and more like they don't give a shit about white supremacists because it's a racist institution.

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        1. chembliss
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          It may be so, but that's not what the actual document says in this case.

          It may be so, but that's not what the actual document says in this case.

      3. chembliss
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        Read the documents and you'll see that this headline is false, and the article filled with misleading overstatements. They shouldn't have published the documents if they were going to write this...

        Read the documents and you'll see that this headline is false, and the article filled with misleading overstatements. They shouldn't have published the documents if they were going to write this stuff tbh, I would have believed them.

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  2. [2]
    Algernon_Asimov
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    Is this actually a thing? Is there a legitimate movement among black people in the USA "to establish a separate black homeland"? I assume that, if these people are considered a terrorist threat,...

    The 2020 threat guidance states, “RMVEs [Racially Motivated Violent Extremists] use force or violence in violation of criminal law in response to perceived racism and injustice in American society, or in an effort to establish a separate black homeland or autonomous black social institutions, communities, or governing organizations within the United States.”

    Is this actually a thing? Is there a legitimate movement among black people in the USA "to establish a separate black homeland"? I assume that, if these people are considered a terrorist threat, they have conducted some terrorist activity. I've read about mass shootings conducted by white supremacists, but I haven't read about any terrorism conducted by black activists. Could someone please educate me about this movement? This is the first that I've heard of it.

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    1. alyaza
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      there's a very small and decentralized one, yeah. hardline black separatists generally want this, and some factions of black nationalist groups like the nation of islam and the new black panther...

      Is there a legitimate movement among black people in the USA "to establish a separate black homeland"?

      there's a very small and decentralized one, yeah. hardline black separatists generally want this, and some factions of black nationalist groups like the nation of islam and the new black panther party espouse ideas similar to it. really, though, there hasn't been a serious push for black separatism or even black nationalism since the assassination of malcolm x in the mid 1960s and the collapse of the black panthers in the early 1970s.

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  3. chembliss
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    The headline is (probably disingenuously) false, and the article is misleading. Luckily they linked to the files in which you can clearly see that what they ranked as top priority, [NTP], is...

    The headline is (probably disingenuously) false, and the article is misleading. Luckily they linked to the files in which you can clearly see that what they ranked as top priority, [NTP], is "RMVE" as a whole, while they ranked "BIE" and "WSE" the same level, under quite a lot of other threats that have been conveniently censored. In fact, one can clearly see in the second page that they rank "BIE" with a priority level [III].

    Surely there are many things to be criticized here, but what do they intend with that headline? Driving in traffic? Contributing their drop of oil to the racial tension bonfire?

    Also, it seems reasonable that domestic threats rank higher than Al Quaeda, that hasn't acted in the US for years and has been an allied against ISIS.

    Edit: It seems that for the 2018 and 2019 strategies, RMVE ranked top priority while both BIE and WSE ranked [III] in 2018 and [II] in 2019. In 2020, RMVE is still top priority and they no longer classify BIE and WSE, but include both of them in RMVE. So no, judging by this document the FBI does not rank "Black Identity Extremists" as a bigger risk than White supremacists, and has never done so, as far as we know.

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  4. knocklessmonster
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    At least when black militants were a bigger thing they were waiting for the white people to start the race war and were going to make sure they were ready for the violence (Nation of Islam, to a...

    At least when black militants were a bigger thing they were waiting for the white people to start the race war and were going to make sure they were ready for the violence (Nation of Islam, to a point, Black Panthers definitely) while offering services and help to their community. There are black separatists, but if you consider the demographics of most cities, and then the likely popularity of these admittedly weird groups among the proportionately small groups of blacks in Americas cities, they don't pose anywhere near the threat of violence that white separitist/supremacist groups pose. Even then, black separatists tend to be waiting for the violence to start, where they will then fight and win their way. The violent outcome for black separatists isn't a black ethostate or anything anyway, so in their planned society, there would still be all races represented, probably even whites.

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  5. [3]
    chembliss
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    @Algernon_Asimov, why did you change the "far right" tag to "alt right"? The document seems to refer to the far right, besides "alt right" having no clear definition.

    @Algernon_Asimov, why did you change the "far right" tag to "alt right"? The document seems to refer to the far right, besides "alt right" having no clear definition.

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      Algernon_Asimov
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      The document doesn't refer to either "far right" or "alt right". What it does refer to repeatedly, is White Racially Motivated Extremism and White Supremacy Extremism. According to Wikipedia, "The...

      The document doesn't refer to either "far right" or "alt right". What it does refer to repeatedly, is White Racially Motivated Extremism and White Supremacy Extremism.

      According to Wikipedia, "The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right, white supremacist, white nationalist, white separatist, anti-immigration and sometimes antisemitic movement based in the United States."

      The alt-right is a particular subset of the far right, focussed on white supremacy. A document talking about White Supremacy Extremism is therefore talking about the alt-right specifically, rather than the far right generally.

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      1. chembliss
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        Fair enough. It would be a mistake to say that all white supremacism is alt right though, but there's a white supremacism tag. Thanks for explaining the reason.

        Fair enough. It would be a mistake to say that all white supremacism is alt right though, but there's a white supremacism tag. Thanks for explaining the reason.

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