Why? What do they think they're going to achieve? I doubt very much that the American government is listening to what Kiwis say - they're barely listening to their own citizens, let alone people...
Why? What do they think they're going to achieve? I doubt very much that the American government is listening to what Kiwis say - they're barely listening to their own citizens, let alone people on the other side of the world.
If they're protesting against racism towards indigenous people, that does not include the descendants of African slaves imported to the Americas. As for wanting the NZ Prime Minister to denounce...
If they're protesting against racism towards indigenous people, that does not include the descendants of African slaves imported to the Americas.
As for wanting the NZ Prime Minister to denounce Floyd's killing, did anyone think to ask her first. before taking to the streets?
Please don't comment dismissively on articles you don't even read. You seem to just be trying to cause a bunch of bickering in here for no apparent purpose.
Please don't comment dismissively on articles you don't even read. You seem to just be trying to cause a bunch of bickering in here for no apparent purpose.
Is there a way to bicker without dragging down the whole tone of the place? If I tag my own comments as noise, will they automatically be hidden? Or is there a general, don't bicker policy? I...
Is there a way to bicker without dragging down the whole tone of the place? If I tag my own comments as noise, will they automatically be hidden?
Or is there a general, don't bicker policy?
I always find @Algernon_Asimov's contributions interesting. Even when I don't agree with him. Especially when I don't agree with him.
(I know I am at fault here to, it takes two to argue.)
The guardian does not put up paywalls. It's a whole thing. It's literally in their page banner - look in the top left hand corner of the page - "Available for everyone, funded by readers" Look...
The guardian does not put up paywalls. It's a whole thing.
It's literally in their page banner - look in the top left hand corner of the page - "Available for everyone, funded by readers"
Look closer at the "paywall" message. There will be a link you can click that will just show you the whole article for free.
They might not put up paywalls, but they do require people to "register for free and continue reading". Maybe "paywall" isn't the right word for that, but, whatever it's called, I'm blocked from...
They might not put up paywalls, but they do require people to "register for free and continue reading". Maybe "paywall" isn't the right word for that, but, whatever it's called, I'm blocked from reading unless I register my details with the Guardian.
(Yeah, I know: I could register with the Guardian, but that's just a paywall of a different kind. Instead of paying with money, I'm paying with data.)
Even if our government isn't listening, us Americans are. Seeing this story brought tears to my eyes. Seeing so many people from across the globe choosing to speak out against the racism that...
Even if our government isn't listening, us Americans are. Seeing this story brought tears to my eyes. Seeing so many people from across the globe choosing to speak out against the racism that pervades my country and show support for the justice we so desperately need is powerful and meaningful and humbling in ways I can't describe.
As an American living through this, I'm grateful for the show of solidarity. I don't know if protests around the world will change anything. I don't know if the protests here are going to change...
As an American living through this, I'm grateful for the show of solidarity.
I don't know if protests around the world will change anything. I don't know if the protests here are going to change anything. I don't think that should stop us from trying.
I do know that I'd be even more worried than I am now if the world outside the US was looking at our circumstances and collectively shrugging.
Honestly... I know it's wrong. but I'm finding it hard to get too worked up about this. For the past few years, my perception of the USA has been changing. I no longer see it as "like Australia...
Honestly... I know it's wrong. but I'm finding it hard to get too worked up about this.
For the past few years, my perception of the USA has been changing. I no longer see it as "like Australia but bigger". I've been mentally associating it more and more with authoritarian countries and third-world countries: Russia, Turkey, the Phillipines, etc. The type of countries where you read about a dictator oppressing his people, and the citizens living in sub-standard conditions, and you just go "well, that's just business as usual for <that country>". And, more and more, that's how I'm seeing the USA. It's retreating into a dystopian land and moving away from the rest of us.
What did Colin Kaepernick achieve? Isn't that what makes it such a powerful statement? Thousands of Kiwis got off their asses, to make a statement against racism. Isn't it good to stand up for...
What did Colin Kaepernick achieve?
Isn't that what makes it such a powerful statement?
Thousands of Kiwis got off their asses, to make a statement against racism.
Isn't it good to stand up for what is right, even when it is hard, even when it seems pointless?
I don't know. Who is he? I don't see the point in pointless actions (pardon the pun). If you're going to take action, make it count. Direct your action at the people who can actually change...
What did Colin Kaepernick achieve?
I don't know. Who is he?
Thousands of Kiwis got off their asses, to make a statement against racism.
Isn't it good to stand up for what is right, even when it is hard, even when it seems pointless?
I don't see the point in pointless actions (pardon the pun). If you're going to take action, make it count. Direct your action at the people who can actually change something or make a difference. Shouting from the other side of the world won't achieve much.
Colin Kaepernick is the guy who protested police brutality and racial injustice by kneeling during the American anthem prior to NFL games. Fox News somehow made kneeling during the American anthem...
Who is he?
Colin Kaepernick is the guy who protested police brutality and racial injustice by kneeling during the American anthem prior to NFL games. Fox News somehow made kneeling during the American anthem seem unpatriotic, so 30% of America really hates his guts. He lost his job as a result. Four years later, it seems like everyone is doing the Kapernick
I don't see the point in pointless actions (pardon the pun). If you're going to take action, make it count. Direct your action at the people who can actually change something or make a difference. Shouting from the other side of the world won't achieve much.
But are they doing anything else? Or just kneeling? Absolutely not! https://www.biography.com/activist/mahatma-gandhi The actions Gandhi took were intended to directly harm British interests in...
Four years later, it seems like everyone is doing the Kapernick
But are they doing anything else? Or just kneeling?
Gandhi became a leading figure in the Indian home-rule movement. Calling for mass boycotts, he urged government officials to stop working for the Crown, students to stop attending government schools, soldiers to leave their posts and citizens to stop paying taxes and purchasing British goods.
The actions Gandhi took were intended to directly harm British interests in India.
He wasn't sitting in New York or Tokyo or Sydney, shouting at the British to get out of India from half a world away. He was right there, on the ground, taking direct action against the British.
Given that the British authorities Gandhi was protesting against were in India (which was kind of the point of his protests), the distance to Britain isn't relevant. The people he was protesting...
Given that the British authorities Gandhi was protesting against were in India (which was kind of the point of his protests), the distance to Britain isn't relevant. The people he was protesting against were right there.
One protest in and of itself may not change the world, but it is often a necessary/useful step in organizing to enact change by heightening awareness, connecting like-minded people, facilitating...
One protest in and of itself may not change the world, but it is often a necessary/useful step in organizing to enact change by heightening awareness, connecting like-minded people, facilitating information-sharing, etc. I don't blame you for not understanding the context if you're not even aware who Colin Kaepernick is, but you might find it makes more sense with broader perspective.
As the internet goes dark for George Floyd, there are people all around with world protesting in solidarity. I thought this was so powerful, it belonged in it's own post, not with the daily thread.
As the internet goes dark for George Floyd, there are people all around with world protesting in solidarity.
I thought this was so powerful, it belonged in it's own post, not with the daily thread.
Why? What do they think they're going to achieve? I doubt very much that the American government is listening to what Kiwis say - they're barely listening to their own citizens, let alone people on the other side of the world.
If they're protesting against racism towards indigenous people, that does not include the descendants of African slaves imported to the Americas.
As for wanting the NZ Prime Minister to denounce Floyd's killing, did anyone think to ask her first. before taking to the streets?
I can't read the article. It's paywalled.
That's valid.
They could do that any time.
Please don't comment dismissively on articles you don't even read. You seem to just be trying to cause a bunch of bickering in here for no apparent purpose.
Is there a way to bicker without dragging down the whole tone of the place? If I tag my own comments as noise, will they automatically be hidden?
Or is there a general, don't bicker policy?
I always find @Algernon_Asimov's contributions interesting. Even when I don't agree with him. Especially when I don't agree with him.
(I know I am at fault here to, it takes two to argue.)
No it isn't
It is for me. Maybe I've reached a monthly limit of free articles, or something like that, but I can't read this article.
The guardian does not put up paywalls. It's a whole thing.
It's literally in their page banner - look in the top left hand corner of the page - "Available for everyone, funded by readers"
Look closer at the "paywall" message. There will be a link you can click that will just show you the whole article for free.
They might not put up paywalls, but they do require people to "register for free and continue reading". Maybe "paywall" isn't the right word for that, but, whatever it's called, I'm blocked from reading unless I register my details with the Guardian.
(Yeah, I know: I could register with the Guardian, but that's just a paywall of a different kind. Instead of paying with money, I'm paying with data.)
Did you try clicking the button that says “not now” right next to the “register for free” button.
Well, now I feel foolish! I hadn't noticed that. :/
Thank you.
Even if our government isn't listening, us Americans are. Seeing this story brought tears to my eyes. Seeing so many people from across the globe choosing to speak out against the racism that pervades my country and show support for the justice we so desperately need is powerful and meaningful and humbling in ways I can't describe.
So it makes some Americans feel good. That's nice, I suppose.
But will a protest by people in New Zealand actually change anything in the USA?
As an American living through this, I'm grateful for the show of solidarity.
I don't know if protests around the world will change anything. I don't know if the protests here are going to change anything. I don't think that should stop us from trying.
I do know that I'd be even more worried than I am now if the world outside the US was looking at our circumstances and collectively shrugging.
Honestly... I know it's wrong. but I'm finding it hard to get too worked up about this.
For the past few years, my perception of the USA has been changing. I no longer see it as "like Australia but bigger". I've been mentally associating it more and more with authoritarian countries and third-world countries: Russia, Turkey, the Phillipines, etc. The type of countries where you read about a dictator oppressing his people, and the citizens living in sub-standard conditions, and you just go "well, that's just business as usual for <that country>". And, more and more, that's how I'm seeing the USA. It's retreating into a dystopian land and moving away from the rest of us.
What did Colin Kaepernick achieve?
Isn't that what makes it such a powerful statement?
Thousands of Kiwis got off their asses, to make a statement against racism.
Isn't it good to stand up for what is right, even when it is hard, even when it seems pointless?
I don't know. Who is he?
I don't see the point in pointless actions (pardon the pun). If you're going to take action, make it count. Direct your action at the people who can actually change something or make a difference. Shouting from the other side of the world won't achieve much.
Colin Kaepernick is the guy who protested police brutality and racial injustice by kneeling during the American anthem prior to NFL games. Fox News somehow made kneeling during the American anthem seem unpatriotic, so 30% of America really hates his guts. He lost his job as a result. Four years later, it seems like everyone is doing the Kapernick
Would you call Gandhi's actions pointless?
But are they doing anything else? Or just kneeling?
Absolutely not!
https://www.biography.com/activist/mahatma-gandhi
The actions Gandhi took were intended to directly harm British interests in India.
He wasn't sitting in New York or Tokyo or Sydney, shouting at the British to get out of India from half a world away. He was right there, on the ground, taking direct action against the British.
How far away is India from Brittan?
Given that the British authorities Gandhi was protesting against were in India (which was kind of the point of his protests), the distance to Britain isn't relevant. The people he was protesting against were right there.
One protest in and of itself may not change the world, but it is often a necessary/useful step in organizing to enact change by heightening awareness, connecting like-minded people, facilitating information-sharing, etc. I don't blame you for not understanding the context if you're not even aware who Colin Kaepernick is, but you might find it makes more sense with broader perspective.
As the internet goes dark for George Floyd, there are people all around with world protesting in solidarity.
I thought this was so powerful, it belonged in it's own post, not with the daily thread.