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Inside Seattle's Autonomous Zone

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  1. [4]
    Gaywallet
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    Just an FYI for anyone who sees any news or reports about this area, the Seattle PD is engaged in a disinformation campaign about this area.

    Just an FYI for anyone who sees any news or reports about this area, the Seattle PD is engaged in a disinformation campaign about this area.

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      Turtle
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      Is this person credible? If so that is quite disturbing.

      Is this person credible? If so that is quite disturbing.

      4 votes
      1. cfabbro
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        Given the blatant lies SPD has been telling over the last week (e.g. the "Several officers injured due to improvised explosives" tweet with a pic showing it was obviously just a candle which even...

        Given the blatant lies SPD has been telling over the last week (e.g. the "Several officers injured due to improvised explosives" tweet with a pic showing it was obviously just a candle which even had a sticker with "CANDLE" still visible on it), I am inclined to believe these new stories about their efforts to undermine the CHAZ. However, I too would love to find a slightly more credible source before I entirely believe it all.

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      2. Gaywallet
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        I cannot speak for their credibility, but some of what they are saying can fairly easily be validated with quick google searches or if you've been following what's going on in Seattle. FWIW, I was...

        I cannot speak for their credibility, but some of what they are saying can fairly easily be validated with quick google searches or if you've been following what's going on in Seattle. FWIW, I was linked this thread by someone who lives in Seattle and has been active with both the protesting and visiting the autonomous zone.

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  2. [3]
    JakeTheDog
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    The irony will be sweet once they realize they need to set up and employ full-time security...

    The irony will be sweet once they realize they need to set up and employ full-time security...

    1. Greg
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      I'd think that them setting up an effective, non-racist security service with appropriate training in de-escalation and minimal use of force would be the perfect and final form of protest against...

      I'd think that them setting up an effective, non-racist security service with appropriate training in de-escalation and minimal use of force would be the perfect and final form of protest against a police force that represents none of these things.

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    2. cfabbro
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      It's only ironic if you don't understand what people mean when they say "defund the police" and "abolish the police", and instead take those phrases at face value. See:...

      It's only ironic if you don't understand what people mean when they say "defund the police" and "abolish the police", and instead take those phrases at face value. See: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/us/what-does-defund-police-mean.html

      What does defunding the police mean?

      Calls to defund police departments are generally seeking spending cuts to police forces that have consumed ever larger shares of city budgets in many cities and towns. Minneapolis, for instance, is looking to cut $200 million from its $1.3 billion overall annual budget, said Lisa Bender, the City Council president. The police budget in 2020 was $189 million. She hopes to shift money to other areas of need in the city.

      If the money doesn’t go to policing, where would it be spent?

      Many activists want money now spent on overtime for the police or on buying expensive equipment for police departments to be shifted to programs related to mental health, housing and education — areas that the activists say with sufficient money could bring about systemic societal change and cut down on crime and violence.

      What are calls for abolishing the police seeking?

      Leaders in different cities have advocated various specific plans, but generally speaking, the calls aim to reimagine public safety tactics in ways that are different from traditional police forces. Activists say their intent is to ensure safety and justice but to wind up with a different system. Years of consent decrees and investigations into human rights violations by police departments have yielded little change, they say, so a more fundamental shift is needed.

      What are some of the ideas for rethinking policing?

      Some proposals call for ending no-knock warrants and military-style raids. Others seek to restrict the flow of military-style gear to police departments and change police tactics used against protesters. One group described an idea for policing in which people attending events look out for one another but emergency workers are standing by in the background, handing out water and ready to step in if needed.

      Has this been done anywhere?

      Some cities have already made changes to policing. In Austin, Texas, 911 calls are answered by operators who inquire whether the caller needs police, fire or mental health services — part of a major revamping of public safety that took place last year when the city budget added millions of dollars for mental health issues. In Eugene, Ore., a team called CAHOOTS — Crisis Assistance Helping Out on the Streets — deploys a medic and a crisis worker with mental health training to emergency calls. Camden, N.J., revamped its policing in 2017 with officers handing out more warnings than tickets and undergoing training that places emphasis on officers holding their fire.

      What is Minneapolis doing?

      Nine members of the Minneapolis City Council pledged at a rally to dismantle the Police Department. They promised to create a new system of public safety, saying that the city’s current policing system could not be reformed. Council members say they are not certain what policing will look like once they are finished, and they caution plans will take a long time to carry out.

      11 votes