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  1. Comment on On the use of a life in ~life

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    I think it's more a question of moral imperative rather than destiny, which makes a lot of sense from a utilitarian perspective (which seems to be fairly common in tech/tech adjacent communities).

    I think it's more a question of moral imperative rather than destiny, which makes a lot of sense from a utilitarian perspective (which seems to be fairly common in tech/tech adjacent communities).

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  2. Comment on Tildes Census Deep Dive - What do you dislike about tildes? in ~tildes

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    I feel like some of this "dog-piling" on heterodox opinions is at least partially an artifact of voting. People generally only vote on comments they agree with regardless of the quality of the...

    I feel like some of this "dog-piling" on heterodox opinions is at least partially an artifact of voting. People generally only vote on comments they agree with regardless of the quality of the comment itself, so if your "controversial"/non -hivemind-conforming, but well reasoned opinion gets no votes, and a snarky, low effort "rebuttal" gets, say, 10 votes, it might convey the feeling that the rest of the site is hostile towards you personally when really it's just that no one agrees with your comment. Which is not to say it doesn't matter, because it definitely does if it discourages actual discussion. I wonder if we could alleviate this effect somewhat by adding a separate "agree" button and encourage people to vote only on comments that conform to Tildes' standards, even if they disagree?

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  3. Comment on Whale meat has seen an increase in sales this year in Norway – according to local whalers, demand has outstripped supply for the first time in half a decade in ~food

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    That's still not really relevant to the issue here though. Just because other vertebrate populations have declined/are declining it doesn't mean that this specific population must do so as well.

    That's still not really relevant to the issue here though. Just because other vertebrate populations have declined/are declining it doesn't mean that this specific population must do so as well.

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  4. Comment on Phosphine discovered in Venus' atmosphere, which could be evidence of microbial life in ~space

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    The tone of internet discourse on the topic seems to have shifted somewhat in the past few hours. The r/science thread was at around 2k upvotes when I posted the parent comment, and if you sort by...

    The tone of internet discourse on the topic seems to have shifted somewhat in the past few hours. The r/science thread was at around 2k upvotes when I posted the parent comment, and if you sort by controversial you might see some of what I meant (although there are lots of deleted comments). Also, the various Hacker News threads. There was a lot of "it was obviously volcanoes/lightning/high pressure/meteors". I think it just took a lot longer than I expected for it to blow up.

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  5. Comment on Phosphine discovered in Venus' atmosphere, which could be evidence of microbial life in ~space

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    I know that. What I'm saying is that it seems like all these "science enthusiasts" are just dismissing the possibility out of habit, while I think it deserves much more consideration. It's like...

    I know that. What I'm saying is that it seems like all these "science enthusiasts" are just dismissing the possibility out of habit, while I think it deserves much more consideration. It's like people are actively antagonistic to the idea that life is common. Also I think it's worth mentioning that that half of the paper is spent discussing and debunking different theories, and that they don't come up with anything they consider realistic.

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  6. Comment on Phosphine discovered in Venus' atmosphere, which could be evidence of microbial life in ~space

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    Well if you're talking about the methane thing, I feel like that would be more like a roughly human shaped impression on a possibly contaminated piece of rock, to extend the analogy. Whereas with...

    Well if you're talking about the methane thing, I feel like that would be more like a roughly human shaped impression on a possibly contaminated piece of rock, to extend the analogy. Whereas with the phosphine, we can see the dermal ridges, can measure the proportions, etc., all from a recently unsealed cave found in the middle of the desert. In other words it is much less ambiguously a sign of life, which is why I think it should be way more significant.

    edit: or do you mean the methane thing inoculated people against the "microorganisms detected on nearby planet via biosignatures" meme? That actually makes a lot of sense to me, although even in "nerdy" communities Hacker News & Tildes (whose users I assume would be more immune to that) it doesn't seem to be getting that much traction.

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  7. Comment on Phosphine discovered in Venus' atmosphere, which could be evidence of microbial life in ~space

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    Is it just me or is it really weird how underwhelming the response to this has been. I don't think it's even made r/all (edit: it did, I guess it just needed some time), and here on tildes it's...

    Is it just me or is it really weird how underwhelming the response to this has been. I don't think it's even made r/all (edit: it did, I guess it just needed some time), and here on tildes it's only marginally more popular than the average thread. Maybe I'm just overestimating the significance of it, but what I'm is imagining is that it's akin to discovering a footprint identified as homo sapiens in 5 million year old rock, that we are 99.99% sure is dated and identified correctly, and all the reddit atheist types are all like "it's definitely a geological phenomenon" or "THIS PROVES NOTHING UNTIL WE FIND FOSSILS", except in this case, life existing on Venus seems totally plausible based on our current understanding, so much so that a few eminent scientists have speculated to that effect. Do "skeptics" just turn their brains off whenever they hear "extraterrestrial life"? Is everyone preoccupied with the coronavirus? Why isn't this a bigger deal? Am I missing something?

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  8. Comment on Conlang critic: Toki Pona in ~humanities

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    these are the ones I've been lurking: r/tokipona https://discord.gg/Byqn5z9 (ma pona pi toki pona/the good land of toki pona) if you want to chat the discord's the place to go. the subreddit's...

    these are the ones I've been lurking:
    r/tokipona
    https://discord.gg/Byqn5z9 (ma pona pi toki pona/the good land of toki pona)
    if you want to chat the discord's the place to go. the subreddit's more for talking about toki pona.

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  9. Comment on A tildes thread for toki pona, the minimalist conlang in ~humanities

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    mi kama wile sona e toki pona tan lipu ni. tenpo pini lili la mi pini e pu! toki pona li pona tawa mi. mi wile sona e mute, taso nasin li musi. mi wile toki e ni: mi pana e pona mute tawa sina!

    mi kama wile sona e toki pona tan lipu ni. tenpo pini lili la mi pini e pu! toki pona li pona tawa mi. mi wile sona e mute, taso nasin li musi. mi wile toki e ni: mi pana e pona mute tawa sina!

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  10. Comment on Inside the Boogaloo: America’s extremely online extremists in ~misc

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    Interesting how they fail to mention how these generic "white nationalist" and "far-right" groups are supposed to be affiliated with the Boogaloo movement, although they seem to imply that they...

    Some far-right groups have purposefully sown confusion by impersonating left-wing activists, adding chaos to already turbulent days of protests in which local officials have blamed unnamed outsiders and left-wing groups for the mayhem.

    Late Monday, Twitter announced that it had suspended an account for a purported radical left-wing group, @ANTIFA_US. Those behind the recently created account, which had been suspended after tweeting calls for violence during the protests, had ties to a white nationalist group, Twitter said. The company also suspended another fake Antifa account, after a far-right group claimed it had created it to infiltrate the movement.

    Interesting how they fail to mention how these generic "white nationalist" and "far-right" groups are supposed to be affiliated with the Boogaloo movement, although they seem to imply that they are. Your second example is meaningless as well. How does them planning to "spark violence" prove that they are against the protesters? Knowing what we know (that the Boogaloo movement is primarily characterized by anti-government/police sentiment), it seems more likely that they intended to attack government forces? Also, I would not trust the Washington Post to provide unbiased reporting on such matters. The owner (Jeff Bezos) has a vested interest in suppressing those threatening the status quo. I read the rest of the article and I see a lot of speculation but very little hard evidence. Notice how they go on a completely irrelevant tangent on QAnon?

    The report found evidence of rising militarism among followers of QAnon, which once spoke cryptically of shadowy forces within the federal government. Now many adherents describe themselves as part of a “Qarmy,” a term whose use doubled on Twitter in 10 days recently, according to the Network Contagion Research Institute. The researchers also found an explosion in the use of military badges and revolutionary flags online and in real-world protests.

    They clearly are trying to connect the two, which makes absolutely no sense if you think about it even a little bit. Honestly it seems a lot like those "ANTIFA is planning to burn down the suburbs!!!!" articles that get passed around but for liberals.

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  11. Comment on Inside the Boogaloo: America’s extremely online extremists in ~misc

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    Your link does not seem to support the quoted claim.

    Your link does not seem to support the quoted claim.

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  12. Comment on Inside the Boogaloo: America’s extremely online extremists in ~misc

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    How would you even know? Do you think they're just going to identify themselves or something? "Hey guys, look at me, a Boogaloo boy! I'm protesting! as a Boogaloo boy!" Have you done any research...

    Then why aren't they out there protecting the protesters who are protesting the tyrannical actions of the police officers (who are part of the very government they dislike)? They only want liberty for themselves. If others are harmed by a tyrannical government, they could care less.

    How would you even know? Do you think they're just going to identify themselves or something? "Hey guys, look at me, a Boogaloo boy! I'm protesting! as a Boogaloo boy!" Have you done any research to verify this is the case?

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  13. Comment on Seeing around corners in ~science

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    The new science of artificial societies suggests that real ones are both more predictable and more surprising than we thought. Growing long-vanished civilizations and modern-day genocides on computers will probably never enable us to foresee the future in detail—but we might learn to anticipate the kinds of events that lie ahead, and where to look for interventions that might work

  14. Comment on <deleted topic> in ~talk

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    It could be that risk of him contracting COVID is outweighed by the benefits of not being miserable for for the foreseeable future, especially if precautions are taken to lower the risk as much as...

    It could be that risk of him contracting COVID is outweighed by the benefits of not being miserable for for the foreseeable future, especially if precautions are taken to lower the risk as much as possible (distancing, staying outdoors, masks, etc.). Maybe he should consider temporarily breaking quarantine and getting together with a few friends? Perhaps they can do something outdoors, like a barbecue?

  15. Comment on Today, in Brazil, I was hit by a car. I'm so grateful we have universal healthcare in ~talk

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    > tfw a poor developing country outdoes the richest country in the world :( Sorry for the noise, reading this is just kind of depressing for me as an American. Glad you're doing well though :).

    > tfw a poor developing country outdoes the richest country in the world :(

    Sorry for the noise, reading this is just kind of depressing for me as an American. Glad you're doing well though :).

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  16. Comment on No longer in shadows, Pentagon’s UFO unit will make some findings public in ~news

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    I believe they have mentioned being in the military?

    I believe they have mentioned being in the military?

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  17. Comment on No longer in shadows, Pentagon’s UFO unit will make some findings public in ~news

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    Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”

    The constraints on discussing classified programs — and the ambiguity of information cited in unclassified slides from the briefings — have put officials who have studied U.F.O.s in the position of stating their views without presenting any hard evidence.

    Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

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  18. Comment on What is something that you consider a "necessary evil"? in ~talk

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    Intellectual property. On the one hand it hinders innovation by denying basically everyone the ability to build and improve on an idea. On the other hand, it's hard to convince people to spend...

    Intellectual property. On the one hand it hinders innovation by denying basically everyone the ability to build and improve on an idea. On the other hand, it's hard to convince people to spend millions of dollars and hours into developing the idea if they're not going to be able to profit from it.

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