Only UFOs and mummies? When are they going to do something about the lemon stealing underpants gnomes? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Being cagey with the evidence is as big...
Only UFOs and mummies? When are they going to do something about the lemon stealing underpants gnomes?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Being cagey with the evidence is as big and red a flag as they come. Anthropologists aren't The Scarlet Pimpernel. It's not hard to reach out across institutional boundaries.
But I suppose if you can't find a peer to backup your claims, you can always shop around for a charlatan outside your field.
Heck, I'll even give them a few leads!
Dr. Avi Loeb isn't an anthropologist, but until recently he was the chair of Harvard's Department of Astronomy, is still a department head, and he's basically become the Ancient Aliens guy meme. He thinks everything is aliens these days, and publishes more than a paper per month.
Kary Mullis, a Nobel Prize winner (in Chemistry), could probably be brought onboard, but first he'll need to know the alien mummy's star sign. No doubt the talking fluorescent raccoon that visited him was from the same planet.
Personally I'm sure there is life like us somewhere out there. But if you're an atheist you might dismiss your exact argument for the existence of a God. How can God be fake if so many people have...
Personally I'm sure there is life like us somewhere out there. But if you're an atheist you might dismiss your exact argument for the existence of a God. How can God be fake if so many people have seen/talked with Jesus?
Humans are prone to lying and delusion. Individual humans are also not as unique as they'd like to think. Combined, many different humans have lied or hallucinated similar things. The rise in alien/UFO sightings is a matter of memetics and not a physical phenomenon. I've seen the very interesting footage and testimony from the US military on UFOs they can't explain. Personally my money is on it being a completely unknown natural phenomenon (which is still really fucking crazy!).
Summary of Nazca Mummy history to date: Grave robbers found a cave filled with diatom powder, a natural preservative, in 2016 near the Nazca Lines. In the powder, they found strange bodies and...
Summary of Nazca Mummy history to date:
Grave robbers found a cave filled with diatom powder, a natural preservative, in 2016 near the Nazca Lines. In the powder, they found strange bodies and artifacts.
A French archeologist who was friends with Maussan bought them from the grave robbers and tried to get the Peruvian government to study them. CT scans were taken and distributed to several scientists and a paper was released concluding the skulls are likely those of llamas shaved down to just the brain case but that more studies should be done to be sure. Peru declined to study the bodies believing them to be desecrated human remains.
The archeologist contacted Maussan, who teamed with with a conspiracy media company called Gaia. Funding was raised to have an international team of scientists review the mummies. DNA samples, carbon 14 dating, and more scans were taken. A documentary was made about the investigation of the bodies. A website was crowdsourced to post the data from the studies.
In 2018, Peru invited the scientists to testify before their legislative body. Multiple presentations were given from an international team of scientists. All concluded that the mummies were real biological beings.
A group of archeologists came out against the findings pointing to a lack of publications on the mummies, the involvement of suspect characters like Maussan, and supposed incongruities in the anatomy of the bodies. They concluded that the data presented showed that the bodies are taxidermies made from human and animal remains.
Out of money, the French archeologist turned the now “debunked” bodies over to the UNICA for further studies.
A YouTube video was made in 2021 summarizing the story and proposed the theory that the bodies were an attempted hoax paid for by Maussan. The video claimed that the bodies contain human femurs for arms, llama skulls for heads, and mismatched and backwards bones in the hands.
Following US a hearing in July on UAPs, Mexico held an open session to congress about UFOs. Videos of UAPs, testimony from pilots, and interviews with scientists were presented. At the end, maussan brought out two nazca mummies and presented them as authentic. Several doctors and scientists including the head of forensic science for the Mexican Navy testified to their authenticity. DNA, carbon14, and other evidence was presented.
The bodies raised an immediate worldwide controversy. The grave robber who found them was arrested and the ministry of culture in Peru attempted to confiscate them from UNICA accusing the university of further desecrating the human remains. More bodies were found and confiscated as they were attempted to be smuggled from Peru to Mexico. Maussan claims the confiscated bodies are being destroyed.
In a second hearing to Mexico’s Congress about UAPs, a letter from 11 doctors and scientists was read attesting to the authenticity of the bodies although it was stressed that they do not believe the bodies to be extraterrestrial. Additional evidence of the authenticity of the bodies was given along with testimony from a multitude of the doctors and scientists who examined them. Evidence of intelligence in the form of metallurgy and surgical expertise was shown. One of the bodies was speculated to be a genetically modified hybrid, and a surgeon from Argentina claimed that the bodies could be future humans from 3 million years in the future.
The hearing was picked up by Reuters and several other internet media companies but was largely ignored by the mainstream western media. The Rector of UNICA was fired at midnight the same night as the hearing. He was one of the 11 signatures on the letter.
Skeptics point to a lack of scientific peer reviewed papers and the checkered past of the presentation team as evidence of a hoax. Claims have been made that UNICA is not an accredited university and that those who gave testimony are not qualified to properly analyze the data. Claims have also been made that the university has acted as a gatekeeper of the mummies presented and have not let anyone but a select team analyze the bodies.
UNICA is accredited, although is rated as an average university worldwide at best. Some of the team who have analyzed the bodies have been involved in sketchy behavior, and many are MDs with no known peer reviewed papers. The university has publicly declared the doors open for scientists to collect samples and analyze the bodies.
Believers point to the lack of evidence the mummies are taxidermies, the testimony from numerous scientists, the fact that some of the bodies have gestating eggs connected via veins, and the lack of known DNA found on the bodies as evidence they are real. They also point to transparency in making the data easy to find in the form of the website and documentaries. Many will point to an archeologist named Cliff Miles who wrote a 300 page paper about the authenticity of the mummies summarizing his findings after reviewing the data.
... why would the Peruvian gov't wants to destroy the bodies if they're real? They have museums with mummies so it makes no sense unless they want to hide something so unique unless it's not an...
... why would the Peruvian gov't wants to destroy the bodies if they're real? They have museums with mummies so it makes no sense unless they want to hide something so unique unless it's not an ancient mummy.
I know! It was one of those crazy nazi scientists that got away! Ended up in Peru and these are the results of his messed up work experimenting on people, funded by the Peruvian government. It's not that they're fake and Peru wants to hide that so they can capitalize on the whole alien mummies thing, it's that they want to hide the experiments!
cough Excuse me, my conspiracy loving side sort of took over for a sec. They're totally time travelers.
I love this scientist vs scientist drama including government intervention. It has been an interesting read. Thank you for the context. I can't really comment on the authenticity of any of this as...
I love this scientist vs scientist drama including government intervention. It has been an interesting read. Thank you for the context.
I can't really comment on the authenticity of any of this as I'm unfamiliar with the mummies, studies or the parties involved. All I've got are random articles.
It would make a great sci-fi movie though. I prefer the time travelling descendents angle better than aliens.
It could also be time travelling human / alien llama hybrids.
So if they're from 3 million years in the future and are our descendants, does what we do now even matter? As in, our fate is already sealed. If this were true and there are more that are alive...
So if they're from 3 million years in the future and are our descendants, does what we do now even matter? As in, our fate is already sealed. If this were true and there are more that are alive right now (but 3 million years in the future where they belong), our fate being sealed would explain why they haven't tried to stop any of the bad things from happening in today's world - it either wouldn't matter, or they want to protect their existence by not altering the past. Oof my brain hurts. Lol.
Anthropologist Roger Zuniga of San Luis Gonzaga National University in Ica Peru said researchers had studied five similar specimens over four years.
"They're real," Zuniga told Reuters on the sidelines of the session.
"There was absolutely no human intervention in the physical and biological formation of these beings," he added, saying he didn't know the origin of the beings.
Zuniga presented a letter signed by 11 researchers from the university declaring the same. The letter made clear, however, they were not implying the bodies were "extraterrestrial".
Tuesday's session, at times, dipped into a more extreme explanation. Argentine surgeon Celestino Adolfo Piotto said he believed, after reviewing test results and images of the bodies, they were an evolved version of today's human beings, calling them "our descendants".
In a more colorful moment, Mexican rapper Claudio Yarto, said he had personally seen UFOs before ending his speech with a rhyme, sparking applause from the crowd.
Only UFOs and mummies? When are they going to do something about the lemon stealing underpants gnomes?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Being cagey with the evidence is as big and red a flag as they come. Anthropologists aren't The Scarlet Pimpernel. It's not hard to reach out across institutional boundaries.
But I suppose if you can't find a peer to backup your claims, you can always shop around for a charlatan outside your field.
Heck, I'll even give them a few leads!
Dr. Avi Loeb isn't an anthropologist, but until recently he was the chair of Harvard's Department of Astronomy, is still a department head, and he's basically become the Ancient Aliens guy meme. He thinks everything is aliens these days, and publishes more than a paper per month.
Kary Mullis, a Nobel Prize winner (in Chemistry), could probably be brought onboard, but first he'll need to know the alien mummy's star sign. No doubt the talking fluorescent raccoon that visited him was from the same planet.
Actually, how about I just give them a list of chumps with a PhD?
Anyways, I think I'll just wait until we hear from some credible outside scientists with relevant domain knowledge.
EDIT: And I just want to clarify that none of this was taking a swipe at you, OP. Your summary was very reasonable and fact-based.
Personally I'm sure there is life like us somewhere out there. But if you're an atheist you might dismiss your exact argument for the existence of a God. How can God be fake if so many people have seen/talked with Jesus?
Humans are prone to lying and delusion. Individual humans are also not as unique as they'd like to think. Combined, many different humans have lied or hallucinated similar things. The rise in alien/UFO sightings is a matter of memetics and not a physical phenomenon. I've seen the very interesting footage and testimony from the US military on UFOs they can't explain. Personally my money is on it being a completely unknown natural phenomenon (which is still really fucking crazy!).
Summary of Nazca Mummy history to date:
Grave robbers found a cave filled with diatom powder, a natural preservative, in 2016 near the Nazca Lines. In the powder, they found strange bodies and artifacts.
A French archeologist who was friends with Maussan bought them from the grave robbers and tried to get the Peruvian government to study them. CT scans were taken and distributed to several scientists and a paper was released concluding the skulls are likely those of llamas shaved down to just the brain case but that more studies should be done to be sure. Peru declined to study the bodies believing them to be desecrated human remains.
The archeologist contacted Maussan, who teamed with with a conspiracy media company called Gaia. Funding was raised to have an international team of scientists review the mummies. DNA samples, carbon 14 dating, and more scans were taken. A documentary was made about the investigation of the bodies. A website was crowdsourced to post the data from the studies.
In 2018, Peru invited the scientists to testify before their legislative body. Multiple presentations were given from an international team of scientists. All concluded that the mummies were real biological beings.
A group of archeologists came out against the findings pointing to a lack of publications on the mummies, the involvement of suspect characters like Maussan, and supposed incongruities in the anatomy of the bodies. They concluded that the data presented showed that the bodies are taxidermies made from human and animal remains.
Out of money, the French archeologist turned the now “debunked” bodies over to the UNICA for further studies.
A YouTube video was made in 2021 summarizing the story and proposed the theory that the bodies were an attempted hoax paid for by Maussan. The video claimed that the bodies contain human femurs for arms, llama skulls for heads, and mismatched and backwards bones in the hands.
Following US a hearing in July on UAPs, Mexico held an open session to congress about UFOs. Videos of UAPs, testimony from pilots, and interviews with scientists were presented. At the end, maussan brought out two nazca mummies and presented them as authentic. Several doctors and scientists including the head of forensic science for the Mexican Navy testified to their authenticity. DNA, carbon14, and other evidence was presented.
The bodies raised an immediate worldwide controversy. The grave robber who found them was arrested and the ministry of culture in Peru attempted to confiscate them from UNICA accusing the university of further desecrating the human remains. More bodies were found and confiscated as they were attempted to be smuggled from Peru to Mexico. Maussan claims the confiscated bodies are being destroyed.
In a second hearing to Mexico’s Congress about UAPs, a letter from 11 doctors and scientists was read attesting to the authenticity of the bodies although it was stressed that they do not believe the bodies to be extraterrestrial. Additional evidence of the authenticity of the bodies was given along with testimony from a multitude of the doctors and scientists who examined them. Evidence of intelligence in the form of metallurgy and surgical expertise was shown. One of the bodies was speculated to be a genetically modified hybrid, and a surgeon from Argentina claimed that the bodies could be future humans from 3 million years in the future.
The hearing was picked up by Reuters and several other internet media companies but was largely ignored by the mainstream western media. The Rector of UNICA was fired at midnight the same night as the hearing. He was one of the 11 signatures on the letter.
Skeptics point to a lack of scientific peer reviewed papers and the checkered past of the presentation team as evidence of a hoax. Claims have been made that UNICA is not an accredited university and that those who gave testimony are not qualified to properly analyze the data. Claims have also been made that the university has acted as a gatekeeper of the mummies presented and have not let anyone but a select team analyze the bodies.
UNICA is accredited, although is rated as an average university worldwide at best. Some of the team who have analyzed the bodies have been involved in sketchy behavior, and many are MDs with no known peer reviewed papers. The university has publicly declared the doors open for scientists to collect samples and analyze the bodies.
Believers point to the lack of evidence the mummies are taxidermies, the testimony from numerous scientists, the fact that some of the bodies have gestating eggs connected via veins, and the lack of known DNA found on the bodies as evidence they are real. They also point to transparency in making the data easy to find in the form of the website and documentaries. Many will point to an archeologist named Cliff Miles who wrote a 300 page paper about the authenticity of the mummies summarizing his findings after reviewing the data.
... why would the Peruvian gov't wants to destroy the bodies if they're real? They have museums with mummies so it makes no sense unless they want to hide something so unique unless it's not an ancient mummy.
I know! It was one of those crazy nazi scientists that got away! Ended up in Peru and these are the results of his messed up work experimenting on people, funded by the Peruvian government. It's not that they're fake and Peru wants to hide that so they can capitalize on the whole alien mummies thing, it's that they want to hide the experiments!
cough Excuse me, my conspiracy loving side sort of took over for a sec. They're totally time travelers.
I love this scientist vs scientist drama including government intervention. It has been an interesting read. Thank you for the context.
I can't really comment on the authenticity of any of this as I'm unfamiliar with the mummies, studies or the parties involved. All I've got are random articles.
It would make a great sci-fi movie though. I prefer the time travelling descendents angle better than aliens.
It could also be time travelling human / alien llama hybrids.
Dumb question, but when these folks talk about "the authenticity of the mummies", what do they mean exactly?
It's not a composite of different animal/human parts created by hoaxers. In other words it's actually the remains of an unknown humanoid organism.
So if they're from 3 million years in the future and are our descendants, does what we do now even matter? As in, our fate is already sealed. If this were true and there are more that are alive right now (but 3 million years in the future where they belong), our fate being sealed would explain why they haven't tried to stop any of the bad things from happening in today's world - it either wouldn't matter, or they want to protect their existence by not altering the past. Oof my brain hurts. Lol.