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Harvard professor Avi Loeb has found fragments of a meteoroid that he believes could be from a spacecraft from another civilization or some technological gadget
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- Title
- Harvard professor Avi Loeb believes he's found fragments of alien technology
- Published
- Jul 7 2023
- Word count
- 630 words
I did not have a very high opinion of him in my completely amateur view of things, and found this video on him highly informative when it comes to his claims and behavior-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY985qzn7oI
I'm hesitant to provide a summary since I suspect there will be some contention on this, but I do think that video is a very well presented and thorough breakdown of why Avi is, at best, not doing anyone any favors (and I also think her video on michio kaku is also very eye opening. The rest of her stuff is great to and isn't just talking about famous scientists with controversies).
She's actually excellent. Thank you for sharing.
She's great. I was going to link this video but you already got it on the first comment. For anyone wondering, yes its worth the watch, but I really like long form YouTube...
Another person worth watching on youtube is Isaac Arthur. He does videos/podcasts that usually discuss crazy sci-fi type of things and how they would actually be done. I think it helps you appreciate how nontrivial interstellar travel likely is.
Love Isaac, but can't handle the speech impediment for long form content :(
There are heaps of great space and history vids from the brothers who make the history of the universe / earth podcasts which are narrated beautifully.
Ahhh ya. I don't mind his speech but I get it; I've definitely found other people too irritating to listen to for 20 to 60 minutes.
I'll check out those podcast though.
Thank you, I was about to recommend Angela's crackpot video but am very pleased that it has already been shared.
No one should give any credence to what this guy says or writes without him providing overwhelming evidence that support his hypothesis. Which will of course never ever happen.
Thank you for linking me to one of the best and most informative videos I’ve seen in a long time. She’s got kind of a quiet charisma.
I feel like I learned so much about this world I had no idea about.
TIL: Physics isn't local 🫠
He can believe whatever he likes; absent evidence it's just more conjecture.
Article headlines will say that he believes they're from aliens, but that doesn't seem to be the case. He seems to just believe it's consistent with what you might see in certain situations with aliens.
He's not just some random, crazy professor, either. He was chair of Harvard's astro department and, according to Wikipedia,
He has said this kind of stuff before, making the same suggestion about 'Oumuamua in 2018.
Even in his own words on his own blog, he seems to positively believe that they're from aliens.
This paragraph is the first mention in his post about anything like aliens, and he seems to just assume that these metal balls came from/with a core and that that core has a technological purpose and design. He doesn't seem to be saying "alien origin is a possibility" but taking that assumption entirely for granted and leaping many steps further ahead.
Combined with the last two paragraphs:
It doesn't exactly paint a picture of whimsical wondering to stimulate the imagination with the remote chance of something world-shaking. The world-shaking is just being taken as a given when all he has so far is "we found some weird alloy in that interstellar rock that doesn't match our home system's rocks."
I guess that's why he was added to the last guy's council and not any other councils.
I'm not familiar enough with astrophysics to provide any commentary on the field, nor can I state anything about Avi Loeb in particular, but sadly I have seen a number of other fields allow people who produce questionable research to rise to the level of "prestige" in those fields.
My criticism comes specifically from the perspective of a statistician. Note that I am limited in what I know about any given field (outside of statistics) so of course take my opinion about researchers in those fields with the appropriate grain of salt, but I do feel comfortable criticising a researcher's use (abuse) of statistics when making a claim and boy are there some whoppers floating around (again, not necessarily with Loeb-- I haven't read any of his actual published research). While this does seem to be more common in the humanities and social sciences, STEM/"hard" sciences don't seem to be immune. I don't know how much of it is intentional p-hacking and how much of it is just stupidity, but bad research is everywhere-- even the highest places-- once you start looking for it.
Physicists are prone to crackpottery as we get old. It's practically a meme.
Loeb's quotes in this article are not overly sensational. The guy is just saying they found some weird stuff from the meteoroid and that "..potentially it [the meteor] could be a spacecraft from another civilization or some technological gadget." He goes on to say that it is still undetermined if its a rock or a piece of technology.
Well yes, in the context of Loeb, this is some of the least outlanding stuff he has said in a while. But it's also still ridiculous.
I mean, for all we know, the element of sulfur could be from another civilization. Could be! I mean there's absolutely no evidence that would suggest that, other than that sulfur exists, but hey, there's still the possibility! That's essentially what Loeb always says, sadly.